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20 minutes ago, RedM said:

It doesn’t bother me at all, but that was the clearest swearing I’ve ever heard at a rugby or football match on tv. The commentators are always apologising for ‘language’ but I rarely hear what they are appologing for, but Sinckler’s was loud and clear 😀

Rugby seem far, far less tolerant of any abuse or backchatting to the Refs. Most of the Refs treat the players like they are in a PE lesson and they are the teacher. 

Maybe as Sinckler is an England International and an example as such they are making an example of him?

Agree - in fact the constant apologising annoys me far more than the swearing. But this time it was pretty shocking from KS amd direct at the ref and deserves some sort of censure imho. Getting annoyed with the way refs are starting to be treated, and shouted / sworn at and it needs curtailing IMO. 

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What did he say, I didn't see the game as don't have access to BT Sport?

One thing I noticed on the games on Channel 4 a few weeks back was how much stick the players do give the ref, but suspect we couldn't hear it before because of crowd noise. It is not always as polite as made to believe

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38 minutes ago, lenred said:

Agree - in fact the constant apologising annoys me far more than the swearing. But this time it was pretty shocking from KS amd direct at the ref and deserves some sort of censure imho. Getting annoyed with the way refs are starting to be treated, and shouted / sworn at and it needs curtailing IMO. 

Totally agree LR. We are seeing this creeping into the game a bit more now and we have to be careful in how it's dealt with. I don't want people to think that I'm only laying into Bristol or England players either. I was only complaining to my friends about a couple of the Munster players chatting back to the referee the other week against Clermont. There was also at least one Clermont player waving an imaginary card, which I'm sure nobody wants to see.

Dylan Hartley got an 11-week ban for calling Wayne Barnes a ******* cheat. Obviously more serious than what Sinckler said but I expect him to get a couple of weeks to cool off all the same. It's good that he's apologised but he needs to be very careful. It's not the first time he's lost his cool on the pitch. I don't really care about a bit of swearing being picked up on the mic but when it's directed at the officials then it's another thing entirely.

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35 minutes ago, MichaelRobartes said:

 

Totally agree LR. We are seeing this creeping into the game a bit more now and we have to be careful in how it's dealt with. I don't want people to think that I'm only laying into Bristol or England players either. I was only complaining to my friends about a couple of the Munster players chatting back to the referee the other week against Clermont. There was also at least one Clermont player waving an imaginary card, which I'm sure nobody wants to see.

Dylan Hartley got an 11-week ban for calling Wayne Barnes a ******* cheat. Obviously more serious than what Sinckler said but I expect him to get a couple of weeks to cool off all the same. It's good that he's apologised but he needs to be very careful. It's not the first time he's lost his cool on the pitch. I don't really care about a bit of swearing being picked up on the mic but when it's directed at the officials then it's another thing entirely.

Yep, Bristol, England, Lions, Bath, Ireland, Munster, Stade Francais, Dings, whoever - it needs to be stopped. Can’t believe Dickson didn’t do anything at the time - may have helped KS if he did! 

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3 hours ago, phantom said:

What did he say, I didn't see the game as don't have access to BT Sport?

One thing I noticed on the games on Channel 4 a few weeks back was how much stick the players do give the ref, but suspect we couldn't hear it before because of crowd noise. It is not always as polite as made to believe

Basically this:

No excuses but it really was in the heat of the moment. Sinckler I think was on the floor or picking himself up after being on the end of a tackle which was at best clumsy and at worse dangerous. He screamed at the Ref immediately, if he had given himself even 5 seconds more he probably wouldn’t have. He seemed to be in shock and it just came out.

Sinckler has already apologised via social media for screaming “Are you fucking serious?” after Dickson ruled that a diving tackle by Luke Cowan-Dickie did not merit a yellow card for non-use of the arms. The tighthead, who was once a teammate of Dickson’s at Harlequins, did not receive a sanction at the time but has now been ordered to appear before an online disciplinary hearing on Tuesday evening.

 

 

 

 

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On 09/01/2021 at 18:45, JBFC II said:

Best 80 minutes of rugby we've played since Pat took over, everything about that performance was class. 

That was pretty much a full strength Exeter side and we reduced them to 1 try (which wasn't grounded), awesome stuff. What's so exciting is the likes of Randall, Lloyd, O'conor, Joyce all stepping up for the biggest games and putting in MOTM performances. A lot is said about the big money players, but it's these lt who make us tick, and it's so good to see. 

Shout out to Yann Thomas as well, who shored up that side of the scrum and gave us the momentum we needed at the set piece to get the 2nd try

You’ve gone quiet on the football lately. People overreaching eh?

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2 hours ago, Lenners said:

You’ve gone quiet on the football lately. People overreaching eh?

To be honest, I’m bored of it. I can’t remember the last time I wanted City, whereas every Bristol game this season has been enjoyable in its own way, even in defeat. 
 

Perhaps that will change, but for now, especially as we can’t go in person, Bristol have been much better lockdown entertainment 

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6 hours ago, phantom said:

Without sounding daft, it is naturally much easier to support and get behind a winning team

It's not just the winning team bit for me. I guess the thing I most enjoy is seeing the 'journey' having watched some of the players in the Championship now Premiership. Seeing how Pat Lam has influenced and built the team.

I'm under no illusion that yes it has had money spent on players, coaches, facilities etc. But you can spend and fail, you can have the wrong DNA so to speak and it doesn't work.

The whole Bears ethnic is something else. They play as a team and you can see the bond and what it means. 

I cannot find the words to explain it only that they have that 'something' that I haven't seen in our footballers for a while.

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5 minutes ago, RedM said:

It's not just the winning team bit for me. I guess the thing I most enjoy is seeing the 'journey' having watched some of the players in the Championship now Premiership. Seeing how Pat Lam has influenced and built the team.

I'm under no illusion that yes it has had money spent on players, coaches, facilities etc. But you can spend and fail, you can have the wrong DNA so to speak and it doesn't work.

The whole Bears ethnic is something else. They play as a team and you can see the bond and what it means. 

I cannot find the words to explain it only that they have that 'something' that I haven't seen in our footballers for a while.

I know exactly what you mean RedM. Pat Lam is an impressive guy and has built a formidable squad of players that are more than capable on winning the PL.

Sure he’s had sound financial backing but that doesn’t always mean success.

Rugby has always been my third favourite sport behind football and cricket but despite that I really enjoy watching the Bears and look forward to seeing them live on tv

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On 12/01/2021 at 09:40, JBFC II said:

To be honest, I’m bored of it. I can’t remember the last time I wanted City, whereas every Bristol game this season has been enjoyable in its own way, even in defeat. 
 

Perhaps that will change, but for now, especially as we can’t go in person, Bristol have been much better lockdown entertainment 

Might be something to do with us appointing Holden mate, which you were all for.

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4 minutes ago, Lenners said:

Might be something to do with us appointing Holden mate, which you were all for.

Was I? I don’t think anyone was ‘all for’ us appointing Holden, rather I thought we should give him a chance to show us what he can bring. I’d still back that, as although the football hasn’t been the most inspiring we’re in the top 10 with a decent chance of a cup quarter final with how the draws panned out.

I don’t think anyone expected City to be as exciting as Bristol rugby this season, the difference in quality of coaches explains that, so I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at?

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I am enjoying watching the Bears the games are really exciting to watch win or lose, Where watching City even when we win is generally a tough watch these days. 

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18 minutes ago, MichaelRobartes said:

Also, Sinckler banned for two weeks, as expected:

 

Probably fair, although I feel he’s been scapegoated somewhat. He wasn’t aggressive towards the referee, or abusive. Had there been a full house there it probably wouldn’t have been heard. 2 weeks does send out a clear warning though

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1 minute ago, Robbored said:

When will the Bears know when/if  the postponed European matches will replaced with PL fixtures?

Both Baxter and Lam were saying that it would be a good option.

They know now. 2 week rest period. 

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1 minute ago, Robbored said:

When will the Bears know when/if  the postponed European matches will replaced with PL fixtures?

Both Baxter and Lam were saying that it would be a good option.

I think it’s been confirmed they won’t, at least the Premiership has confirmed there will now be a 2 week break

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1 hour ago, MichaelRobartes said:

Also, Sinckler banned for two weeks, as expected:

 

Whilst I am a bit gutted that he will miss games for us and England, I am actually glad that this has happened. Once exceptions start being made it won't be long until rugby players start acting as obnoxiously as footballers while on the pitch.

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1 hour ago, JBFC II said:

Probably fair, although I feel he’s been scapegoated somewhat. He wasn’t aggressive towards the referee, or abusive. Had there been a full house there it probably wouldn’t have been heard. 2 weeks does send out a clear warning though

Personally I don't think that he's been scapegoated. I haven't seen anyone talk to an official in the way that he did and escape a card or a citing. I agree with Slacker that bans for this sort of thing are needed to try and stop it from creeping into the game.

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29 minutes ago, MichaelRobartes said:

Personally I don't think that he's been scapegoated. I haven't seen anyone talk to an official in the way that he did and escape a card or a citing. I agree with Slacker that bans for this sort of thing are needed to try and stop it from creeping into the game.

I agree they do, respect for the referee is highly important in keeping the values of rugby. Backchat does happen regularly though, look at Dan Biggar for instance. I think it’s a little harsh on Sinckler that he’s been caught up on it just because what he said was heard because of the lack of crowd noise. Hopefully this’ll mean they start picking up on it more regularly in the future 

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2 hours ago, Paul G said:

They know now. 2 week rest period. 

Yeah, to benefit player welfare apparently.

I can see both sides of the argument, a break now whilst cases are high isn't a bad idea if it reduces potential spread (although presumably they're still training), but player welfare will be more of an issue later in the season if the European tournaments do play to a finish with international matches and a Lions tour to potentially follow. And they didn't seem overly bothered about player welfare when they were scheduling midweek fixtures to get last season finished.

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1 hour ago, Slacker said:

Whilst I am a bit gutted that he will miss games for us and England, I am actually glad that this has happened. Once exceptions start being made it won't be long until rugby players start acting as obnoxiously as footballers while on the pitch.

He actually won't miss anything for us that he would have been available for. Technically he misses the Bath game but he wouldn't have played in it anyway because he'd have been away with England.

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On 13/01/2021 at 13:06, MichaelRobartes said:

Personally I don't think that he's been scapegoated. I haven't seen anyone talk to an official in the way that he did and escape a card or a citing. I agree with Slacker that bans for this sort of thing are needed to try and stop it from creeping into the game.

A big part of it is that Sinkler played with the ref for 5 years at Quins.  In fact Karl Dickson was apparently the player charged with keeping him out of trouble.  The reaction was therefore, in some part, towards someone he was very familiar with.  I cannot believe Sinkler would've spoken to Wayne Barnes like that for example.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/55664542

The final two rounds of European pool matches that were postponed earlier this week will not be rearranged, Premiership Rugby has confirmed.

The games were set to take place over the next two weekends but instead the Champions Cup and Challenge Cup will go straight to a knockout format in April.

European Cup organisers (EPCR) are set to announce the revamped structure of the competitions in the coming week.

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