Bar BS3 Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 40 minutes ago, Super said: some were good but some of his crossing wasn't so good. Very true. His crossing isn’t consistently great. To be fair though, not many wingers are consistently good at crossing and the improvement in his all round game from last season is fantastic and he has the makings of a very good career developing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Rocky said: He'll be another going for millions one day, him and Lloyd Kelly. If that happens, do we think that this would make up for the failure of someone like Engvall? Lets imagine he goes for up to £10m, does that make our investment in the Swedish market worthwhile? I think it does, if I was a share dealer and I took a punt on a couple of up and coming Swedish firms, one of which fails and the other goes on to make enough profit to justify both investments, I would be very happy. I don't think football fans look at it that way though, they tend to personalise things, but it's no different to taking on 30 youngsters every year and gradually whittling them down to the ones who we judge are going to make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Port Said Red said: Have a look at your pop up blocker settings in your browser PR. turned it off but still nothing, but thanks for suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted September 4, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Port Said Red said: If that happens, do we think that this would make up for the failure of someone like Engvall? Lets imagine he goes for up to £10m, does that make our investment in the Swedish market worthwhile? I think it does, if I was a share dealer and I took a punt on a couple of up and coming Swedish firms, one of which fails and the other goes on to make enough profit to justify both investments, I would be very happy. I don't think football fans look at it that way though, they tend to personalise things, but it's no different to taking on 30 youngsters every year and gradually whittling them down to the ones who we judge are going to make it. As you say, depends very much on the person judging. If Eliasson spends the rest of the season at this standard he becomes a £10m rated player. If Diedhiou spends the rest of this season scoring at the rate so far in his City career, he too becomes a £10m rated player, maybe more. Kodjia sold already for £11-15m. £31-35m for those three vs £17-18m to buy all the players we did from foreign markets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 I really don't understand why the quality crosses from set pieces isn't this standard across the board at this level of Professional football. I've seen players further down the pyramid that are just as good at delivery, but obviously aren't athletic enough or of lesser ability in other departments, to play at a higher level. Set piece delivery has imo, dropped in standard over the years at Championship level. It's nice to see someone do it consistently, which as a 'winger' at this level you would expect imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC OF SWEDEN Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 I said when he came, that he is a quality player...I never said that about Engvall! COYR! Se you all in october against Wednesday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 What puzzles met is what happened in the close season to make a player who looked quite poor last year to pretty good this year. More than just experience, surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 19 minutes ago, spudski said: I really don't understand why the quality crosses from set pieces isn't this standard across the board at this level of Professional football. I've seen players further down the pyramid that are just as good at delivery, but obviously aren't athletic enough or of lesser ability in other departments, to play at a higher level. Set piece delivery has imo, dropped in standard over the years at Championship level. It's nice to see someone do it consistently, which as a 'winger' at this level you would expect imo. I agree, you used to see those stories of Beckham staying behind after the standard training sessions to practice free kicks and set pieces, and I used to wonder why it was necessary. I guess the answer is that those type of players in the past were not expected to take part in the defensive drills etc, which is now seen as something of team effort more than in the past. But I wonder of Eliasson is getting extra sessions with a specialist coach as the quality is so high it is almost like a left footed Beckham at times (the cross from deep against Bournemouth pre-season for example). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: What puzzles met is what happened in the close season to make a player who looked quite poor last year to pretty good this year. More than just experience, surely. He looks like he has filled out a fair bit over the last year, looks a lot stronger and less likely to be knocked off the ball. It often happens with foreign imports especially younger ones (he was only brought in as a 21 year old) that they take a year to get up to speed with the English leagues. He can only really get better now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 When Eliasson signed for us, obviously nobody here had ever heard of him. As such, Youtube and Fifa were my tools to learn about him. There was one youtube video where not only is he showing exceptional skill, but also his crossing (from open play and set pieces) was superb, all of this while running at pace in complete control of the ball. Imagine a mix of Tinnion and Goodridge - low and behold LJ didn't play him very often so one presumes the video of him was just luck on the day. Now however, he is showing what a real talent he is. I sincerely hope he stays injury free and keeps this level of play all season. Easier said than done I accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redapple Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 15 hours ago, pillred said: what is the reason these clips don't play when I click on them can never watch them, any ideas? It’s because your from Pill. When the tides out it effects the internet connection so you’ll have to walk over to Shire to see Elliason’s crosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 I've got to admit, he's proved me wrong so far this season. Like everyone else, I could see he had a great delivery, but I didn't think he'd ever be up to the physicality of the Championship & thought he was naive defensively. This season, he's been tracking back a lot, helping out whichever full back he's playing in front of, and whipping in a few dangerous crosses each game. I can't remember which interview it was, but wasn't he signed because we searched for a player similar to Anthony Knockaert on some sort of software & Eliasson matched most of the attributes we were looking for? I'd suggest we use whatever software that was more often! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 When we signed Elliasson I was very excited. The way he struck the ball was that of a proper top quality player; the kind of technical ability PL teams play £50-60million for. But I never really felt that we used him very well last season (or perhaps his performances didn't merit special treatment). Anyway, he seems to be fulfilling my initial faith right now. And wingers are so much about confidence, he's probably going to get better and better if the team maintains this form. Exciting times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 18 hours ago, Judda said: I still don't know. Think fans are getting over excited about him but I'm not convinced YET... He hits a few great balls but some decision making and touches are terrible... personally still undecided on him.... Tin hat time! You aubergine . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 38 minutes ago, redapple said: It’s because your from Pill. When the tides out it effects the internet connection so you’ll have to walk over to Shire to see Elliason’s crosses. HA! HA! you cheeky b*****d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 9 hours ago, Port Said Red said: Have a look at your pop up blocker settings in your browser PR. after taking your advice and still not working I tried right clicking on the image and opening in new window, and hey presto, so if anyone else has the same problem as I had try that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Carey 6 said: I've got to admit, he's proved me wrong so far this season. Like everyone else, I could see he had a great delivery, but I didn't think he'd ever be up to the physicality of the Championship & thought he was naive defensively. This season, he's been tracking back a lot, helping out whichever full back he's playing in front of, and whipping in a few dangerous crosses each game. I can't remember which interview it was, but wasn't he signed because we searched for a player similar to Anthony Knockaert on some sort of software & Eliasson matched most of the attributes we were looking for? I'd suggest we use whatever software that was more often! Agree with all your post and points His ability hasn’t changed , it’s his improved fitness / physicality / workrate And particularly his positioning when we don’t have the ball Fair play to him & the coaches As for the Knockhart subject - again - spot on - LJ demonstrated at the Q&A session (Just after Elliasson had signed) the software he used to throw up Elliasson when looking for another Knockhart who he regarded at that time as his no 1 player in Champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 20 hours ago, JonDolman said: Can anyone name a better crosser of the ball we've had? I can't think of one. No doubt people will say Tinman, but I'd rather attack Eliasson's crosses than Tinman's very accurate, but floaty ones. That bend and dip is amazing, and he's so consistent with them as well. It's scary to think his crossing will probably improve even more as he reaches his mid 20s and develops more power in that left peg. The change of ball altered crossing a couple of times. Us ancient old ******* remember balls with laces. Try floating that or hitting if with pace. The centre forward be concussed for a week so back post balls were more prevalent. 30 years on FIFA allowed changes to the ball that allowed more movement in the air which again had changed a few things and has given rise to a lot more near post ball and crossing at speed than in the tinmam era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 19 minutes ago, REDOXO said: The change of ball altered crossing a couple of times. Us ancient old ******* remember balls with laces. Try floating that or hitting if with pace. The centre forward be concussed for a week so back post balls were more prevalent. 30 years on FIFA allowed changes to the ball that allowed more movement in the air which again had changed a few things and has given rise to a lot more near post ball and crossing at speed than in the tinmam era. I remember my dad telling me stories of being taught to cross the ball so the laces were facing away from the forward to stop forehead injuries! I am pleased we have moved away from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 87 Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 He's doing very well and showing some of the ability LJ talked about when we signed him. Team's at this level are quite astute and will figure out pretty quickly what his strengths and weaknesses are and the more assists he gets the more he will be targeted. We will then see how successful this lad is likely to be, if he continues consistently and cements a place in the team, we have a real asset on our hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzos Only Goal Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 21 hours ago, JonDolman said: Can anyone name a better crosser of the ball we've had? I can't think of one. No doubt people will say Tinman, but I'd rather attack Eliasson's crosses than Tinman's very accurate, but floaty ones. That bend and dip is amazing, and he's so consistent with them as well. It's scary to think his crossing will probably improve even more as he reaches his mid 20s and develops more power in that left peg. Mickey Bell was class at set pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 As I wrote before, Eliasson had most assists in the swedish leauge before he came to City. Championship is a better leauge than the Swedish, Eliasson plays against and among better players. He will be better and better. Vs Blackburn he played like he did in Sweden. Dribble his man and pass or shoot. Really hope he will score soon, if he does, we got many players that can score and the defenders in the other teams really should watch out. Think already he is some of a keplayer for us. If, or when he get a dip, we got Scunny guy, Odowda and Esia. Think it looks ok with the team, Mäenpää? Eliasson brings o lot to City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderrider Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 10 hours ago, spudski said: I really don't understand why the quality crosses from set pieces isn't this standard across the board at this level of Professional football. I've seen players further down the pyramid that are just as good at delivery, but obviously aren't athletic enough or of lesser ability in other departments, to play at a higher level. Set piece delivery has imo, dropped in standard over the years at Championship level. It's nice to see someone do it consistently, which as a 'winger' at this level you would expect imo. Imo set piece deliveries have gone downhill at all levels, I can't remember the last time anyone had a consistent free kick taker. But then England and Trippier at the world cup showed what a potent weapon accurate free kicks can provide, and now we're seeing the benefit from Eliasson's left foot cannon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 3 hours ago, JonDolman said: Weren't the older balls easier to cross with power? Not in my experience, although there is a difference between speed and power. What we are seeing in my opinion is the ball being hit at a much faster pace. Does that make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 hour ago, ciderrider said: Imo set piece deliveries have gone downhill at all levels, I can't remember the last time anyone had a consistent free kick taker. There's some Argentinian dude playing in Spain who has banged a few free kick goals in, and some Portuguese fella has banged in even more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 The dip he gets on them is a joy to watch. There was one first half where it looked like it was going to the far post and then seemed to drop like a stone halfway across the goal - I couldn`t have had a better view of it from behind the goal in the SS and it just made my jaw drop! Is it just me or has he got a bit taller too? It might just be that he`s getting his head up a bit more, I always thought he looked a bit `hunched up` last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 He's not quite a revelation because I thought he 'had it about him' last year but he's been so good since the beginning of the season. He was dead on his feet towards the end of the game on Sunday but kept going… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: He's not quite a revelation because I thought he 'had it about him' last year but he's been so good since the beginning of the season. He was dead on his feet towards the end of the game on Sunday but kept going… Still had that cheesy grin on his face too! I thought it was funny how all the other players were desperately trying to put him in for a goal just so`s he`d get the cherry on top his performance deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
where's the joy Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 On 03/09/2018 at 23:25, cityal said: I remember Mark Gavin being a very good crosser, but maybe time has turned him into a better player than he really was in my memory. That wing combination of dave smith (blistering pace) and gavin (guile and craft) is probably the best I can remember. In saying that I don't recall anyone curling the ball like Eliasson. His crosses seem very dangerous. GAVIN was the making of Bob Taylor. supremely gifted player and made so many goals for others. But Eliason is quicker and full of real promise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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