hantsred Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 An insight into what we know goes on but very few clubs will acknowledge/publish. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45158878 So why should we care if the clubs should be forced to publish such information? Well because it is truer barometer of the fans connection with the club. A few hundred missing season ticket holders can easily be put down to personal circumstances on any given day...but when its thousands you have dis-satisfied fan base willing to relinquish their seats in protest against the club or what is being served up on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 with us I always think it's the opposite, for instance they gave our last attendance as 19.750 odd I thought it was more like 21.500, city have quite often given a LOWER figure than are actually there in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Believesham Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 I was interested to read how many clubs rely so heavily on Matchday revenue. Obviously owner injections excluded but 35% of our turnover is quite impressive at first glance. I wonder what the impact of bringing merchandise in-house had versus say, the increase in corporate revenue vs. 3 years ago. FWIW I think that % should drop because of the Dunder deal, whether that’s to below 10%, 20% or just 30% May give us an idea of the real value of the deal. I would say this causes a slight issue with the £20 campaign - a club the size of say Bury will need to strike a fine balance between affordability and profitability when it sets their prices (tickets & shirts etc). Presuming they don’t have a massive corporate income. If you lower the price of football at the top, who is going to go Gigg Lane over the City of Manchester if there was a difference of £2/3 in the ticket? There is a lot more pressure on the little guys to offer a Matchday experience as well as keep things ticking over. Could the teams at the bottom dictate the prices at the top by introducing a cap? No, because we wouldn’t want our ticket prices to be at the mercy of Rovers just because we’re performing better on the pitch. But I do think the number of different clubs involved goes some way to explaining why a happy medium hasn’t been struck yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 I remember a thread on here about this before. Think general rule of thumb is when you see published attendance- subtract 3-4k from it and you should arrive in the right range of real attendance. Well it seems to be the case at AG anyway a lot of the time- unsure about other clubs. Nonetheless, clubs to make themselves look good I guess, choose to publish the number of sold tickets- but they will have the real totals as well- legally obliged to I'm sure. Quote Recent events As well as those events listed above, Ashton Gate is of course a sports venue, and over the past few months we've catered to some huge attendances. Recent football attendances included: Nottingham Forest 18,246 Middlesbrough 16,075 Blackburn Rovers TBC Recent rugby attendances: Bath Rugby TBC The published attendances for those 2 were in fact: Forest- 22,395 Middlesborough- 19,455 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I remember a thread on here about this before. Think general rule of thumb is when you see published attendance- subtract 3-4k from it and you should arrive in the right range of real attendance. Well it seems to be the case at AG anyway a lot of the time- unsure about other clubs. Nonetheless, clubs to make themselves look good I guess, choose to publish the number of sold tickets- but they will have the real totals as well- legally obliged to I'm sure. can't agree with that, I'm convinced we have under published attendances, especially in the days when it wasn't all seater, the crowd actually laughed one day when the attendance was announced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, pillred said: can't agree with that, I'm convinced we have under published attendances, especially in the days when it wasn't all seater, the crowd actually laughed one day when the attendance was announced. I'm thinkwe might have too- but not lately. I remember even back as recently early 2000's in League when it was 9-10k early season when it seemed or looked at least maybe 3k higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 hour ago, pillred said: can't agree with that, I'm convinced we have under published attendances, especially in the days when it wasn't all seater, the crowd actually laughed one day when the attendance was announced. Definitely when it wasn't all seater. Back in the first division days the crowd would laugh most match days when the attendance was announced as a few thousand quid was avoiding the inland revenue ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 hour ago, pillred said: with us I always think it's the opposite, for instance they gave our last attendance as 19.750 odd I thought it was more like 21.500, city have quite often given a LOWER figure than are actually there in my opinion. In the old day, yes. Definitely happened. These days there’s no way it’s possible without fairly serious fraud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 hour ago, pillred said: can't agree with that, I'm convinced we have under published attendances, especially in the days when it wasn't all seater, the crowd actually laughed one day when the attendance was announced. That still happens today. The laughing when Rovers announce their attendance, anyway..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: That still happens today. The laughing when Rovers announce their attendance, anyway..! That's nothing to do with the attendance, just coincides with what's on the pitch.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 44 minutes ago, Taz said: That's nothing to do with the attendance, just coincides with what's on the pitch.... I regularly see people “laughing” at their attendances on here. The laughter created by the what’s on the pitch is perfectly suited to a venue that resembles a circus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 It's not just at AG where the 'official' attendance (tickets sold) is much higher than the number actually in the ground, it's happening all over the country. At one West Ham game the announced official attendance was almost 17,000 more than the number in the ground. https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1016652/West-Ham-attendance-London-Stadium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderingred Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 Really hard to believe there was only 16,075 there for the Boro game.. Didn't seem that empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 45 minutes ago, Wanderingred said: Really hard to believe there was only 16,075 there for the Boro game.. Didn't seem that empty. I don`t know mate, my row in S21 was half empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 14, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted September 14, 2018 On 12/09/2018 at 10:51, Mr Popodopolous said: I remember a thread on here about this before. Think general rule of thumb is when you see published attendance- subtract 3-4k from it and you should arrive in the right range of real attendance. Well it seems to be the case at AG anyway a lot of the time- unsure about other clubs. Nonetheless, clubs to make themselves look good I guess, choose to publish the number of sold tickets- but they will have the real totals as well- legally obliged to I'm sure. The published attendances for those 2 were in fact: Forest- 22,395 Middlesborough- 19,455 @Mr Popodopolous Do you have a link to the actual crowds? I can remember seeing it on the bottom of some Bristol Sport page, but I can't find it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 14, 2018 Report Share Posted September 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, phantom said: @Mr Popodopolous Do you have a link to the actual crowds? I can remember seeing it on the bottom of some Bristol Sport page, but I can't find it now Remember seeing it on a site- maybe the same page Phantom? https://www.ashtongatestadium.co.uk/events/ Quote Recent events As well as those events listed above, Ashton Gate is of course a sports venue, and over the past few months we've catered to some huge attendances. Recent football attendances included: Nottingham Forest 18,246 Middlesbrough 16,075 Blackburn Rovers TBC Recent rugby attendances: Bath Rugby TBC Slightly disappointing it doesn't go back a bit further tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 14, 2018 Report Share Posted September 14, 2018 5 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Remember seeing it on a site- maybe the same page Phantom? https://www.ashtongatestadium.co.uk/events/ Slightly disappointing it doesn't go back a bit further tbh. The same link was on this thread giving many of the 'real' attendances last season. Recent events does mean recent though and the link has been updated unfortunately, now the same information as the one above. As stated on the thread though the Sheff. Weds. game had 7,000 fewer in the ground than the official attendance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackofromSanJavier Posted September 14, 2018 Report Share Posted September 14, 2018 I remember back in the 70's when crowds were announced late in the second half (at many grounds I've been at, not always City related) there would be a general snigger go round the ground! "Ey oop, today's attendance is 10,441"……... when it was clear to all that there were maybe 15,000+ crammed into Gigg Lane or Edgeley Park! Taxman, anyone????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted September 15, 2018 Report Share Posted September 15, 2018 On 12/09/2018 at 10:57, pillred said: can't agree with that, I'm convinced we have under published attendances, especially in the days when it wasn't all seater, the crowd actually laughed one day when the attendance was announced. Back when,apart from ST holders, all of the crowd paid cash at a turnstile that was a rather popular ploy,used by the vast majority of clubs. Cant think why.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedred31 Posted September 15, 2018 Report Share Posted September 15, 2018 9 hours ago, JackofromSanJavier said: I remember back in the 70's when crowds were announced late in the second half (at many grounds I've been at, not always City related) there would be a general snigger go round the ground! "Ey oop, today's attendance is 10,441"……... when it was clear to all that there were maybe 15,000+ crammed into Gigg Lane or Edgeley Park! Taxman, anyone????? There were times in the 80,s at the gate when the announced attendance was so laughable that the east end would spontaneously sing ‘tax fiddle’. I suspect it’s now very digital and more difficult to fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted September 15, 2018 Report Share Posted September 15, 2018 On 12/09/2018 at 12:09, Loon plage said: Definitely when it wasn't all seater. Back in the first division days the crowd would laugh most match days when the attendance was announced as a few thousand quid was avoiding the inland revenue ! Was it that or a few thousand dissappearing into the pockets of the turnstile operator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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