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1 hour ago, chowie said:

Was more for his own safety, seems the guy needs help. He was constantly filming the Police on his phone, think I heard at one point he mentioned to the Police something like that he had half a million live viewers watching them. ?

Sounds like the guy maybe has some health issues and needs some help.  So instead he gets arrested and ‘issued’ with an order by the old bill who then think it’s ok to discuss it on a public forum.  Pretty sad really. Hope the blokes ok and gets the help he needs 

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1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Talking of Police, maybe there's history I'm ignorant about but there were a few about today, weren't there! In/around the ground I mean.

Beyond me why they feel the need to deploy fully kitted robo cops within the concourse by the singing section at the end of the game

 

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1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Beyond me why they feel the need to deploy fully kitted robo cops within the concourse by the singing section at the end of the game

 

Loads of robo cops everywhere today around the ground. Yet when the Blades little ‘firm’ decided to charge up through the fan village before kick off, giving it large, the robots just stood there, waiting for city fans to do something so they could get done.  Pathetic. 

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7 minutes ago, chowie said:

Was more for his own safety, seems the guy needs help. He was constantly filming the Police on his phone, think I heard at one point he mentioned to the Police something like that he had half a million live viewers watching them. ?

What is wrong with filming the police? It's certainly not illegal. 

@JulieH I have great respect for you coming on here and always being quite open and I'd fully admit that I'm not aware of all the facts but I am totally against dispersal notices, I think they are misused and I feel the police have handled this situation very badly especially if true about him having mental health difficulties.

Not so much these days but I have seen our fans wearing Man United, Liverpool shirts etc at Ashton Gate so what's the difference between that and a Boro shirt? 

Are you aware of all the threats of violence that has been made against this individual on social media? Will you be following those threats up?

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8 hours ago, JulieH said:

Yes that’s correct, the Sec 35 dispersal is an order requesting a person to leave a designated area as shown on the map. He was given it and then breached it by returning to the area.

we have maps produced for both city and rovers which shows designated areas and can be used on match days when relevant 

How can you get a section 35 and can I apply for one banning me from the Horfield area next Saturday please.

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5 hours ago, lenred said:

Sounds like the guy maybe has some health issues and needs some help.  So instead he gets arrested and ‘issued’ with an order by the old bill who then think it’s ok to discuss it on a public forum.  Pretty sad really. Hope the blokes ok and gets the help he needs 

Sounds like you are basing your criticism of the police on speculation. Why don't you wait until the facts are known? 

As for discussing it in a public forum, others have been discussing it (including speculation from yourself about the guy's mental health) and all Julie has done is clarify that a dispersal order was issued - no speculation or insinuation on her part about mental health. 

4 hours ago, Up The City! said:


@JulieH I have great respect for you coming on here and always being quite open and I'd fully admit that I'm not aware of all the facts but I am totally against dispersal notices, I think they are misused and I feel the police have handled this situation very badly especially if true about him having mental health difficulties.

Not so much these days but I have seen our fans wearing Man United, Liverpool shirts etc at Ashton Gate so what's the difference between that and a Boro shirt? 

You will admitted the important bit yourself. There's a lot of speculation and hearsay on here. 

Also, you've admitted prejudice against dispersal orders and already decided the police have handled this situation "very badly" when it could of course have been the best course of action in this instance.

Don't jump the gun. 

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6 hours ago, Up The City! said:

What is wrong with filming the police? It's certainly not illegal. 

@JulieH I have great respect for you coming on here and always being quite open and I'd fully admit that I'm not aware of all the facts but I am totally against dispersal notices, I think they are misused and I feel the police have handled this situation very badly especially if true about him having mental health difficulties.

Not so much these days but I have seen our fans wearing Man United, Liverpool shirts etc at Ashton Gate so what's the difference between that and a Boro shirt? 

Are you aware of all the threats of violence that has been made against this individual on social media? Will you be following those threats up?

As already stated once he has been dealt with I can then update everyone

I am not aware of threats against him , I will ensure this are followed up in the correct manner. 

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3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I remember it happening last season, assumed this practice had passed. Disappointing- far as I can tell, no need for it at all this season.

Totally over the top and I have to say cringeworthy and laughable with riot helmets hanging off their belts

There were a few of them too

I assume they were expecting a riot at the discounted pasty queue

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Think most people were just trying to work it all out, he had a City scarf tied to the front of his push bike, a Boro shirt with Flint on the back and pretty sure he wore City tracksuit bottoms.

Then shouting things against City, it was all very confusing on what this was all about.

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14 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Totally over the top and I have to say cringeworthy and laughable with riot helmets hanging off their belts

There were a few of them too

I assume they were expecting a riot at the discounted pasty queue

It would be interesting if @JulieH could comment on the significant police presence yesterday, had trouble been expected? It was more like I would expect for a Cardiff/Millwall/Leeds game.

Saw a female police officer giving a guy a “high 5” by a Sheffield coach on Ashton Road after the game, was the you @JulieH✋

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2 minutes ago, East End Old Boy said:

It would be interesting if @JulieH could comment on the significant police presence yesterday, had trouble been expected? It was more like I would expect for a Cardiff/Millwall/Leeds game.

Saw a female police officer giving a guy a “high 5” by a Sheffield coach on Ashton Road after the game, was the you @JulieH✋

Sheff Utd caused problems on many of their travels last season and I noticed comments about their ‘coked up element ‘ on their own forum so I could understand a larger presence

But why the Robocops deployed inside the home concourse glaring at everyone walking past is bemusing

Good job they have resources to waste

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The fella concerned is clearly a sandwich short of a picnic and was politely being told to walk away from the Dolman entrance, if only for his own safety. Had the Police not intervened it would only have been a matter of seconds before someone over the age of seven would have given him a right good lamping.

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3 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

The fella concerned is clearly a sandwich short of a picnic and was politely being told to walk away from the Dolman entrance, if only for his own safety. Had the Police not intervened it would only have been a matter of seconds before someone over the age of seven would have given him a right good lamping.

Was this a skinny lad wearing glasses with a phone stuck to his ear, who I also saw being escorted away from the Ashton Road entrance to the Dolman?

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6 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

The fella concerned is clearly a sandwich short of a picnic and was politely being told to walk away from the Dolman entrance, if only for his own safety. Had the Police not intervened it would only have been a matter of seconds before someone over the age of seven would have given him a right good lamping.

Oh that’s ok then. And we wonder why there’s riot police AOTS. 

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31 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

Oh that’s ok then. And we wonder why there’s riot police AOTS. 

Putting aside the fact there is no such thing as 'riot police' I saw a number of officers in tactical uniform stood outside the Dolman entrance quietly dealing with the incident under the pitch lights and well away from the largely young, female stewards on duty. Personally thought how much easier and more pleasant it was than the farce of having some numpty steward asking me to 'unbutton my jacket'.

The primary purpose of policing is to deter crime. Yesterday, other than this minor incident, I didn't witness trouble so job done.

The reason Police these days wear tactical gear, pretty much de rigueur here in London is, unlike my day where if one wanted to resolve a dispute one stood ones ground and used ones fists, every scrawny piece of **** today packs a knife or firearm where they can attack at distance or by glancing blow. In my day we also weren't viral ridden vermin intent in spreading our infections by spitting at police. Worth remembering police officers are human and have a right to protect themselves from the worst of us. If you don't like them wearing such gear, vent your spleen at the scum who oblige them to wear it not those employed to do a job.

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Was it this knob? 

Had the pleasure of standing next to him on the train south bound following the Boro game where he refused to stand his bike up properly in the bike rack when asked by the conductor and blocked the door saying he had a degree in law and it was against his human rights, said he didn't have to and that if the police were called he would film it and he had 50k followers on YouTube. When the conductor left and everyone point out he was being an ideot he said all Bristol City fans were ******* when some of the people saying he was being and ideot clearly hadn't been at the game.

Couldn't figure out if it was mental health issues or just dumb, seemed closer to dumb on that occasion to me but to turn up yesterday trying to kick off maybe he does have a few issues. 

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12 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

Putting aside the fact there is no such thing as 'riot police' I saw a number of officers in tactical uniform stood outside the Dolman entrance quietly dealing with the incident under the pitch lights and well away from the largely young, female stewards on duty. Personally thought how much easier and more pleasant it was than the farce of having some numpty steward asking me to 'unbutton my jacket'.

The primary purpose of policing is to deter crime. Yesterday, other than this minor incident, I didn't witness trouble so job done.

The reason Police these days wear tactical gear, pretty much de rigueur here in London is, unlike my day where if one wanted to resolve a dispute one stood ones ground and used ones fists, every scrawny piece of **** today packs a knife or firearm where they can attack at distance or by glancing blow. In my day we also weren't viral ridden vermin intent in spreading our infections by spitting at police. Worth remembering police officers are human and have a right to protect themselves from the worst of us. If you don't like them wearing such gear, vent your spleen at the scum who oblige them to wear it not those employed to do a job.

I think you’ve misunderstood me. The posts above from people crying about “robocops” or whatever is because of Neanderthals as you describe. Bloke in Boro top automatically a target as said idiots can’t stand to see someone wearing a different top or expressing a differing viewpoint. 

I’ve always taken the view that you’ve nothing to fear from the police unless you’re up to no good. I couldn’t care less if they were tooled up or not; I don’t go to football for trouble. 

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1 hour ago, Pezo said:

Was it this knob? 

Had the pleasure of standing next to him on the train south bound following the Boro game where he refused to stand his bike up properly in the bike rack when asked by the conductor and blocked the door saying he had a degree in law and it was against his human rights, said he didn't have to and that if the police were called he would film it and he had 50k followers on YouTube. When the conductor left and everyone point out he was being an ideot he said all Bristol City fans were ******* when some of the people saying he was being and ideot clearly hadn't been at the game.

Couldn't figure out if it was mental health issues or just dumb, seemed closer to dumb on that occasion to me but to turn up yesterday trying to kick off maybe he does have a few issues. 

That’s the guy I saw being escorted away, which looking at him I was surprised, listening to him now understand! ?

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1 hour ago, BTRFTG said:

Putting aside the fact there is no such thing as 'riot police' I saw a number of officers in tactical uniform stood outside the Dolman entrance quietly dealing with the incident under the pitch lights and well away from the largely young, female stewards on duty. Personally thought how much easier and more pleasant it was than the farce of having some numpty steward asking me to 'unbutton my jacket'.

The primary purpose of policing is to deter crime. Yesterday, other than this minor incident, I didn't witness trouble so job done.

The reason Police these days wear tactical gear, pretty much de rigueur here in London is, unlike my day where if one wanted to resolve a dispute one stood ones ground and used ones fists, every scrawny piece of **** today packs a knife or firearm where they can attack at distance or by glancing blow. In my day we also weren't viral ridden vermin intent in spreading our infections by spitting at police. Worth remembering police officers are human and have a right to protect themselves from the worst of us. If you don't like them wearing such gear, vent your spleen at the scum who oblige them to wear it not those employed to do a job.

Open coat policy is pretty standard these days in UK (only been to one game overseas so have no great sample size to compare it to- maybe there was a brief patdown, can't recall).

Talking of knives, there are now combs with a knife inserted apparently- don't know how it works and nor do I want to bu t they seemingly exist!

Sort of thing someone could very easily smuggle in on the interior of a coat if inclined.

I would also add our searching regime is fairly light touch by all accounts compared to other- possibly PL?- grounds.

For example there are no:

*Barriers to make people queue for proper searching. There were at the World Cup fan village BTW.

*Pyro dogs- other grounds certainly are known to have/have had them.

*Compulsory pat downs for all- again this is not unheard of at all.

*Wands for stewards in order to detect metal or similar- again this has been the case at other grounds.

*Tables to turn out pockets- again I'm sure it's been heard of at football in the UK.

It's the world we live in now- @FSF_FairCop is quite informative about this kind of thing- minds will not be changed on these issues. Suggest you go read up on it.

Can be sure that if these measures that are in place elsewhere or have been were in case at Ashton Gate you would not be happy at all.

Of course a radical solution- which would cost a bomb- see if club can get police to take over from stewards. Like I say though, minds are made up on this.

I'd argue we have one of the least bad realistic options tbh.

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1 hour ago, CyderInACan said:

Bloke in Boro top automatically a target as said idiots can’t stand to see someone wearing a different top or expressing a differing viewpoint. 

From his 'confrontational' tone to the police it wasn't his attire that was the issue. Numpty was looking to 'provoke a response' which, had the police not intervened, he'd have received courtesy on one or more of our more irritable peers.

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32 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Open coat policy is pretty standard these days in UK (only been to one game overseas so have no great sample size to compare it to- maybe there was a brief patdown, can't recall).

Talking of knives, there are now combs with a knife inserted apparently- don't know how it works and nor do I want to bu t they seemingly exist!

Sort of thing someone could very easily smuggle in on the interior of a coat if inclined.

I would also add our searching regime is fairly light touch by all accounts compared to other- possibly PL?- grounds.

For example there are no:

*Barriers to make people queue for proper searching. There were at the World Cup fan village BTW.

*Pyro dogs- other grounds certainly are known to have/have had them.

*Compulsory pat downs for all- again this is not unheard of at all.

*Wands for stewards in order to detect metal or similar- again this has been the case at other grounds.

*Tables to turn out pockets- again I'm sure it's been heard of at football in the UK.

It's the world we live in now- @FSF_FairCop is quite informative about this kind of thing- minds will not be changed on these issues. Suggest you go read up on it.

Can be sure that if these measures that are in place elsewhere or have been were in case at Ashton Gate you would not be happy at all.

Of course a radical solution- which would cost a bomb- see if club can get police to take over from stewards. Like I say though, minds are made up on this.

I'd argue we have one of the least bad realistic options tbh.

Got there a bit late yesterday only 10 mins but no stewards checking anything. 

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4 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

From his 'confrontational' tone to the police it wasn't his attire that was the issue. Numpty was looking to 'provoke a response' which, had the police not intervened, he'd have received courtesy on one or more of our more irritable peers.

That was what I experienced on the train, he seemed articulate enough but was just trying to provoke anyone and everyone.

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