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RedLionLad

Boro fan removed from the Dolman

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Was it this knob? 

Had the pleasure of standing next to him on the train south bound following the Boro game where he refused to stand his bike up properly in the bike rack when asked by the conductor and blocked the door saying he had a degree in law and it was against his human rights, said he didn't have to and that if the police were called he would film it and he had 50k followers on YouTube. When the conductor left and everyone point out he was being an ideot he said all Bristol City fans were ******* when some of the people saying he was being and ideot clearly hadn't been at the game.

Couldn't figure out if it was mental health issues or just dumb, seemed closer to dumb on that occasion to me but to turn up yesterday trying to kick off maybe he does have a few issues. 

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12 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

Putting aside the fact there is no such thing as 'riot police' I saw a number of officers in tactical uniform stood outside the Dolman entrance quietly dealing with the incident under the pitch lights and well away from the largely young, female stewards on duty. Personally thought how much easier and more pleasant it was than the farce of having some numpty steward asking me to 'unbutton my jacket'.

The primary purpose of policing is to deter crime. Yesterday, other than this minor incident, I didn't witness trouble so job done.

The reason Police these days wear tactical gear, pretty much de rigueur here in London is, unlike my day where if one wanted to resolve a dispute one stood ones ground and used ones fists, every scrawny piece of **** today packs a knife or firearm where they can attack at distance or by glancing blow. In my day we also weren't viral ridden vermin intent in spreading our infections by spitting at police. Worth remembering police officers are human and have a right to protect themselves from the worst of us. If you don't like them wearing such gear, vent your spleen at the scum who oblige them to wear it not those employed to do a job.

I think you’ve misunderstood me. The posts above from people crying about “robocops” or whatever is because of Neanderthals as you describe. Bloke in Boro top automatically a target as said idiots can’t stand to see someone wearing a different top or expressing a differing viewpoint. 

I’ve always taken the view that you’ve nothing to fear from the police unless you’re up to no good. I couldn’t care less if they were tooled up or not; I don’t go to football for trouble. 

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1 hour ago, Pezo said:

Was it this knob? 

Had the pleasure of standing next to him on the train south bound following the Boro game where he refused to stand his bike up properly in the bike rack when asked by the conductor and blocked the door saying he had a degree in law and it was against his human rights, said he didn't have to and that if the police were called he would film it and he had 50k followers on YouTube. When the conductor left and everyone point out he was being an ideot he said all Bristol City fans were ******* when some of the people saying he was being and ideot clearly hadn't been at the game.

Couldn't figure out if it was mental health issues or just dumb, seemed closer to dumb on that occasion to me but to turn up yesterday trying to kick off maybe he does have a few issues. 

That’s the guy I saw being escorted away, which looking at him I was surprised, listening to him now understand! 🤓

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1 hour ago, BTRFTG said:

Putting aside the fact there is no such thing as 'riot police' I saw a number of officers in tactical uniform stood outside the Dolman entrance quietly dealing with the incident under the pitch lights and well away from the largely young, female stewards on duty. Personally thought how much easier and more pleasant it was than the farce of having some numpty steward asking me to 'unbutton my jacket'.

The primary purpose of policing is to deter crime. Yesterday, other than this minor incident, I didn't witness trouble so job done.

The reason Police these days wear tactical gear, pretty much de rigueur here in London is, unlike my day where if one wanted to resolve a dispute one stood ones ground and used ones fists, every scrawny piece of **** today packs a knife or firearm where they can attack at distance or by glancing blow. In my day we also weren't viral ridden vermin intent in spreading our infections by spitting at police. Worth remembering police officers are human and have a right to protect themselves from the worst of us. If you don't like them wearing such gear, vent your spleen at the scum who oblige them to wear it not those employed to do a job.

Open coat policy is pretty standard these days in UK (only been to one game overseas so have no great sample size to compare it to- maybe there was a brief patdown, can't recall).

Talking of knives, there are now combs with a knife inserted apparently- don't know how it works and nor do I want to bu t they seemingly exist!

Sort of thing someone could very easily smuggle in on the interior of a coat if inclined.

I would also add our searching regime is fairly light touch by all accounts compared to other- possibly PL?- grounds.

For example there are no:

*Barriers to make people queue for proper searching. There were at the World Cup fan village BTW.

*Pyro dogs- other grounds certainly are known to have/have had them.

*Compulsory pat downs for all- again this is not unheard of at all.

*Wands for stewards in order to detect metal or similar- again this has been the case at other grounds.

*Tables to turn out pockets- again I'm sure it's been heard of at football in the UK.

It's the world we live in now- @FSF_FairCop is quite informative about this kind of thing- minds will not be changed on these issues. Suggest you go read up on it.

Can be sure that if these measures that are in place elsewhere or have been were in case at Ashton Gate you would not be happy at all.

Of course a radical solution- which would cost a bomb- see if club can get police to take over from stewards. Like I say though, minds are made up on this.

I'd argue we have one of the least bad realistic options tbh.

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48 minutes ago, East End Old Boy said:

That’s the guy I saw being escorted away, which looking at him I was surprised, listening to him now understand! 🤓

That's the geezer... Fruitcake.

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1 hour ago, CyderInACan said:

Bloke in Boro top automatically a target as said idiots can’t stand to see someone wearing a different top or expressing a differing viewpoint. 

From his 'confrontational' tone to the police it wasn't his attire that was the issue. Numpty was looking to 'provoke a response' which, had the police not intervened, he'd have received courtesy on one or more of our more irritable peers.

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32 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Open coat policy is pretty standard these days in UK (only been to one game overseas so have no great sample size to compare it to- maybe there was a brief patdown, can't recall).

Talking of knives, there are now combs with a knife inserted apparently- don't know how it works and nor do I want to bu t they seemingly exist!

Sort of thing someone could very easily smuggle in on the interior of a coat if inclined.

I would also add our searching regime is fairly light touch by all accounts compared to other- possibly PL?- grounds.

For example there are no:

*Barriers to make people queue for proper searching. There were at the World Cup fan village BTW.

*Pyro dogs- other grounds certainly are known to have/have had them.

*Compulsory pat downs for all- again this is not unheard of at all.

*Wands for stewards in order to detect metal or similar- again this has been the case at other grounds.

*Tables to turn out pockets- again I'm sure it's been heard of at football in the UK.

It's the world we live in now- @FSF_FairCop is quite informative about this kind of thing- minds will not be changed on these issues. Suggest you go read up on it.

Can be sure that if these measures that are in place elsewhere or have been were in case at Ashton Gate you would not be happy at all.

Of course a radical solution- which would cost a bomb- see if club can get police to take over from stewards. Like I say though, minds are made up on this.

I'd argue we have one of the least bad realistic options tbh.

Got there a bit late yesterday only 10 mins but no stewards checking anything. 

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4 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

From his 'confrontational' tone to the police it wasn't his attire that was the issue. Numpty was looking to 'provoke a response' which, had the police not intervened, he'd have received courtesy on one or more of our more irritable peers.

That was what I experienced on the train, he seemed articulate enough but was just trying to provoke anyone and everyone.

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15 hours ago, chowie said:

He was constantly filming the Police on his phone, think I heard at one point he mentioned to the Police something like that he had half a million live viewers watching them. 🙄

Didn't realise this was related, can rely on OTIB to clear up mysteries. As I was entering the Dolman about 10 minutes before kick off there was a bloke who clearly had learning difficulties, being chucked up against a police van by 3 coppers while trying to film them on his phone, which he was desperately trying to stop them getting off him. I must admit thinking it was pretty heavy handed when he obviously had mental health issues. Didn't see the Boro shirt. 

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6 minutes ago, Olé said:

Didn't realise this was related, can rely on OTIB to clear up mysteries. As I was entering the Dolman about 10 minutes before kick off there was a bloke who clearly had learning difficulties, being chucked up against a police van by 3 coppers while trying to film them on his phone, which he was desperately trying to stop them getting off him. I must admit thinking it was pretty heavy handed when he obviously had mental health issues. Didn't see the Boro shirt. 

If you were 10 mins pre kick off then he'd been bothering the police for at least 15 mins. I'm frankly amazed they gave him that long from what I observed. Looked as though he was angling to get arrested.

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4 hours ago, East End Old Boy said:

That’s the guy I saw being escorted away, which looking at him I was surprised, listening to him now understand! 🤓

Doesn’t seem to have any mental health issues to me. Just a bit of a knob

On a separate note, why is there so much “fan tv” these days. Whilst aware of it, I never watch it and if this Boro version is anything to go by, what’s the point?

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Yet again police having to deal with mental health issues.

This chap shouldn't be in a police cell but they didn't have much choice by the sounds of it.

Don't get me started on mental health funding in and around Bristol.

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23 hours ago, JulieH said:

He actually got issued with a Sec 35 dispersal order away from the area . 

Unfortunately he returned in breach of that hence why he then got arrested. 

If he has MHP could you please deal with him nicely and get your northern officers to treat him politely when he gets home.  

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4 hours ago, 54-46 said:

Doesn’t seem to have any mental health issues to me. Just a bit of a knob

On a separate note, why is there so much “fan tv” these days. Whilst aware of it, I never watch it and if this Boro version is anything to go by, what’s the point?

Ask Robbie of Aresenal TV

Driving a gold wrapped Bentley !!

They have made serious money !

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And now we wonder why some feel threatened by a police presence? Irrespective of their motives for being there - dare I say it - to watch a football match.

And the Boro fan. Great to see so many medically qualified experts being able to diagnose either a mental illness or him being a knob....

I live with a mental illness. Not that you’d necessarily know if you met or knew me.

Anyway 3 points tomorrow and promotion to look forward to.....

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On ‎15‎/‎09‎/‎2018 at 21:54, JulieH said:

Yes that’s correct, the Sec 35 dispersal is an order requesting a person to leave a designated area as shown on the map. He was given it and then breached it by returning to the area.

we have maps produced for both city and rovers which shows designated areas and can be used on match days when relevant 

Hi Julie,

Out of interest how do you define an "away" fan in these circumstances?  Is it enough for someone to be wearing an away team's shirt to be given a dispersal, or do they have to be causing some sort of unrest?

Is there actually a rule that says you can't wear away team colours in the home end of a football stadium, and if so how do you define that?  Let's say someone with no knowledge of football came to Ashton Gate and innocently wore a yellow scarf for a game against Norwich - could they get ejected for that?

Just curious to know how you draw the line.

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26 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Hi Julie,

Out of interest how do you define an "away" fan in these circumstances?  Is it enough for someone to be wearing an away team's shirt to be given a dispersal, or do they have to be causing some sort of unrest?

Is there actually a rule that says you can't wear away team colours in the home end of a football stadium, and if so how do you define that?  Let's say someone with no knowledge of football came to Ashton Gate and innocently wore a yellow scarf for a game against Norwich - could they get ejected for that?

Just curious to know how you draw the line.

A young lad was wearing a Chelsea shirt recently in the South Stand.......his Dad/Gaurdian was wearing this season's home shirt.

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29 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Hi Julie,

Out of interest how do you define an "away" fan in these circumstances?  Is it enough for someone to be wearing an away team's shirt to be given a dispersal, or do they have to be causing some sort of unrest?

Is there actually a rule that says you can't wear away team colours in the home end of a football stadium, and if so how do you define that?  Let's say someone with no knowledge of football came to Ashton Gate and innocently wore a yellow scarf for a game against Norwich - could they get ejected for that?

Just curious to know how you draw the line.

Personal guess- though it's only a guess.

If it's the direct opponent on the day then out they go- possible they could get transferred to away end in some cases.

If it's a side not playing on the day, e.g. a third side then it's acceptable provided the individual wearing it isn't creating a scene, a nuisance- this Boro fan clearly was so coupled with the earlier dispersal order or whatever it was, he clearly had to go.

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I saw the Boro fan in the smoking area behind the Dolman about an hour before kick off. He was shouting something about how City were going to lose 3-1 to Sheffield Utd and that Boro were getting promoted this season. Kept pointing to the Boro badge on his top. Most people just looked a bit bemused by him and were just ignoring him though.

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59 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Hi Julie,

Out of interest how do you define an "away" fan in these circumstances?  Is it enough for someone to be wearing an away team's shirt to be given a dispersal, or do they have to be causing some sort of unrest?

Is there actually a rule that says you can't wear away team colours in the home end of a football stadium, and if so how do you define that?  Let's say someone with no knowledge of football came to Ashton Gate and innocently wore a yellow scarf for a game against Norwich - could they get ejected for that?

Just curious to know how you draw the line.

He was not arrested for wearing another teams shirt in the stadium, he was arrested for being inside the area for which he had previously been dispersed. 

There is no law on wearing away colours in home end and vice versa however it is first and foremost a club/ safety decision if they choose to leave those fans in those areas wearing those items of clothing. 

In my experience it very rarely happens 

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On 15/09/2018 at 23:05, CyderInACan said:

Hi Julie. What was the dispersal order for, if you don’t mind me asking? What was he actually doing to warrant it?

Who cares?

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7 minutes ago, phantom said:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3m7CsbnK64s&feature=youtu.be

I've just seen this video footage, massively edited but the boro "supporter" has uploaded this video 

 

What a ******* spanner.  It is only the presence of the police and stewards that stops this utter **** being beaten to a pulp and he is an aboslute pain in the arse to them.

I couldn't do their job and keep that calm.

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10 minutes ago, phantom said:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3m7CsbnK64s&feature=youtu.be

I've just seen this video footage, massively edited but the boro "supporter" has uploaded this video 

 

So he’s uploaded evidence of him goading the Bristol City fans which is why he was issued with the section 35 dispersal order. The editing is almost done to make it look unjust. As EH said, a spanner indeed.

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Oh dear!

That video...Embarrassing. Those stewards ejecting him sounded very irate- when I first read it I assumed he was just there relatively quiet in a Boro shirt with maybe the odd song, wasn't aware he was actually taunting like that- if he hadn't been removed he may well have got worse by the fans!

His filming/camera work is in the main bang average too!

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As there were two massively different discussions within this thread, I've split them accordingly into one about this Boro fan, and a new thread about the incident in the South Stand. 

I didn't feel it fair on our fans getting their posts lost within this thread. 

The South Stand problems is now here 

https://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/197060-city-fans-ejected-from-the-south-stand-at-half-time-vs-sheffield-utd/

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Meant to have said, the chap tried to submit this video to a Facebook group I help moderate (not the city til I die page), so blocked the upload but thought it of use for people within this thread to see. 

Looking at his Facebook profile the penny dropped with something, earlier this season I was at Somerset cricket and some guy was chirping away behind us all afternoon (before being removed) looking at his profile he has posted a video sat in the same section so must assume it's the same guy. 

Oddly he seems to follow Yeovil as well?? 

But the saddest thing he has a great looking son, so needs to sort himself out before he fucks up his sons life too! 

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Seems he just wants to cause trouble for the sake of getting some pathetic video. Someone will sooner or later lose the plot with him and he will get a hiding, but you can bet he will post some pathetic video blaming everyone bar himself for it. Bloke is a ******* idiot, shame he wasn't arrested and charged and get some hours in a courtroom.

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1 hour ago, phantom said:

Meant to have said, the chap tried to submit this video to a Facebook group I help moderate (not the city til I die page), so blocked the upload but thought it of use for people within this thread to see. 

Looking at his Facebook profile the penny dropped with something, earlier this season I was at Somerset cricket and some guy was chirping away behind us all afternoon (before being removed) looking at his profile he has posted a video sat in the same section so must assume it's the same guy. 

Oddly he seems to follow Yeovil as well?? 

But the saddest thing he has a great looking son, so needs to sort himself out before he ***** up his sons life too! 

....blimey his missus must also 'play away' then because this muppett is about as gormless looking as they come !

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Jeez, he's the Mr Benn of social media and my fiver at Paddy P has his next team supported as our friends in blue and white quarters.

That said genius idea that could really take off and I look forward to - "I Spent The Night..."

....in the BRI

....picking my teeth out my a**e

.... awaiting the baliffs' knock

.....letting the Chlorpromazine kick in

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I know a lot of people have brought up the potential of mental health issues here but I'm still not sure that's the case - just seems to be wind up merchant to me.

As stated previously - having spoken to the guy I'm fairly sure he is just a prize ***** looking to get attention and provoke reaction.

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Crap on a stick, I've just watched some of those videos. I need a fresh bottle of mind bleach !!!

The wheel is spinning but the mouse is sat in the corner eating cheese.

Talk about bonkers. 

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37 minutes ago, Pezo said:

I know a lot of people have brought up the potential of mental health issues here but I'm still not sure that's the case - just seems to be wind up merchant to me.

As stated previously - having spoken to the guy I'm fairly sure he is just a prize ***** looking to get attention and provoke reaction.

He strikes me as being on the autism scale somewhere. Something ain’t right with him. 

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14 hours ago, Red Army 75 said:

Watched the first 2 minutes . In tears . WTF is this . 

Going back in to watch the rest

Also watching...

Goes to Londis to buy "Great British Products".

Buys Budweiser and Maryland Cookies.

🤦‍♀️

 

Watch out Jake Paul. Ash Phillips is coming for you!

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1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Watched the video again in full- fairly comical all told!

Wonder if he will try to monetarise his antics at AG and elsewhere- on social media these days it's definitely been done!

With 115 subscribers he’ll have as much money as Wael within few years. 

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