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That really wasn’t altogether that bad.

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I can’t remeber the last time we were 3-0 down and I genuinely looked around and said “HOW?” Genuinely didn’t derserve to be behind by such a large margin.

 

A few players had off days as everyone will over 46 games. The opposition won’t also be that clinical.

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Hunt is rather poor defensively and caught out of position for one goal and was just silly on the fourth. Yep Kelly dwindled and got punished.

However, I thought we played some nice stuff and deserved a draw, far to quick for their defence and really should have had a couple more. Pattersons was a shocker of a miss from there and tbh he looked completely devoid of confidence throughout his time on the park.

If we play like that and cut out the errors we will get something from Wigan and wouldn't be surprised if we got all 3 points.

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Even in our four wins, we had 30 minute spells were we were quite poor, and had to rely on poor finishing by the other side.

Just pay back today, clinical finishing punishing poor defending. Played some lovely stuff at times as well, and 2 was the least we deserved.

Still work in progress, just a day when clean sheets seemed a long way away. Not to dsheartened.

 

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Please can we give Paterson three months off to eat some protein and build some muscle. He's a great player but he's wasting away.

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Schoolboy defending, WBA didn't have to work for those goals. Championship teams generally prefer to attack on the break and we got carved open far too easily. When we had chances to break they fouled us, we're a bit naive at times. Good going forward, I hope we'll learn from this one.

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We learnt today that Lloyd Kelly is human very true especially when we was on top . My main problem is our two centre half’s going to sleep and Brom scoring from one pass!!

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We played well but were just too open as we pushed too much for goals. If one of those chances goes in at 0-0, then I guess we would have been a bit more sensible like Swansea game and defended properly. There were some defensive mistakes but biggest mistake was simply the lack of numbers defending. WBA had more numbers back there to make it harder for us to score. Brilliant game of football to watch.

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oh and a special shout out for the ref. Allow the the shot at an open goal and then bring it back for the penalty? Perhaps someone with a better knowledge of the rules could advise me if that’s ok or not? It is in rugby. 

I think he made a perfectly valid call with the pen.  Not sure of the specifics, but isn't it that he should give a few seconds to see if an advantage is gained by playing on, and so as the shot went wide, there wasn't an advantage and so he rightfully pulled it back.  I'm quick to criticise refs, but I think he got that spot on.

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I think we perhaps need to learn to be patient, we were so far on top and battering WBA until a mistake and penalty gave them some hope, but we then went gung ho to try and make amends and got caught by some very good forwards

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Goals two and three were really poor  - should have just taken Barnes out when he was forty yards from goal!

Hunt should have put the ball out before he was robbed for the fourth goal too!

Ah well......play like that in Friday and we will be OK 

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Hunt was targeted and was not up to the task against the counter attack. To be fair nor was anyone else either. 

This team will learn from that. 

Must go with a man and be prepared to fall back quickly when we lose possession which is inevitable. 

I’m fed up we lost as I always am, but this was not a bad defeat. 

On the upside if your not going to Wigan wilbo is co commentator on radio Brizz. 

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watching the video highlights, for the second as some else pointed out it was handball from the keeper if you see where he released the ball and the fourth Gayle clearly pushes Hunt so he over steps the ball. Thought we were playing 12 men most of the game with the refs love in of prem stars

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At the start of the season I feared the worst, but I have been pleasantly surprised since.

I think there is much to feel good about, as long as we stay away from those long losing streaks I'll be a happy bunny this season.

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We played well but were just too open as we pushed too much for goals. If one of those chances goes in at 0-0, then I guess we would have been a bit more sensible like Swansea game and defended properly. There were some defensive mistakes but biggest mistake was simply the lack of numbers defending. WBA had more numbers back there to make it harder for us to score. Brilliant game of football to watch.

On their second Kelly and Webster are both statuesque on the far post as it’s tucked away

Nothing to do with numbers 

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We played well but were just too open as we pushed too much for goals. If one of those chances goes in at 0-0, then I guess we would have been a bit more sensible like Swansea game and defended properly. There were some defensive mistakes but biggest mistake was simply the lack of numbers defending. WBA had more numbers back there to make it harder for us to score. Brilliant game of football to watch.

Not an exaggeration to say had we scored first, in that period of pressure maybe would have won game- 1-0 and the ability to sit in and break on them would have been totally different dynamics.

That said, had Sheffield United scored in their good spell Saturday, they would have been able to counter on us and beat us.

Still, 4-2 was undoubtedly harsh.

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Schoolboy defending, WBA didn't have to work for those goals. Championship teams generally prefer to attack on the break and we got carved open far too easily. When we had chances to break they fouled us, we're a bit naive at times. Good going forward, I hope we'll learn from this one.

Agreed. We should of taken the yellows in the build ups to both the second and third goals. Too niave, but definitely more pluses than minuses tonight.

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Nothing frustrates me more than when we turn up and we’re shit. 

Tonight in the first half we got punished by a clinical West Brom side who punished every mistake we made, but, we weren’t shit.

I thought we played pretty reasonably and the team did more than enough to keep us away fans interested and not many teams will take much away from West Brom  

We learnt today that Lloyd Kelly is human. Hunt needs to up his game and Maenpaa looks a good free signing. We need to take our chances when we’re on top, but am I going home feeling like we’ve lost 4-2? No. Definitely not. 

We weren’t shit tonight. We made the best of an awful start and given that we went in 3-0 at the break, I’m pretty proud.

oh and a special shout out for the ref. Allow the the shot at an open goal and then bring it back for the penalty? Perhaps someone with a better knowledge of the rules could advise me if that’s ok or not? It is in rugby. 

You were probably at Wolves away about this time last year as I was and the performance was shocking and papered over the cracks despite the 3-3 draw so encouraged to read this. 

I've only seen one game this season - Saturday v Sheff  - but I think we'll be fine.  

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Was proud of how we played and kept fighting despite our mistakes for their goals. We needed to go ahead when we were on top. Was also proud of our fans at the ground - great support even at 3-0 down. And we are 5th. Looking forward to Friday already. 

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Nothing frustrates me more than when we turn up and we’re shit. 

Tonight in the first half we got punished by a clinical West Brom side who punished every mistake we made, but, we weren’t shit.

I thought we played pretty reasonably and the team did more than enough to keep us away fans interested and not many teams will take much away from West Brom  

We learnt today that Lloyd Kelly is human. Hunt needs to up his game and Maenpaa looks a good free signing. We need to take our chances when we’re on top, but am I going home feeling like we’ve lost 4-2? No. Definitely not. 

We weren’t shit tonight. We made the best of an awful start and given that we went in 3-0 at the break, I’m pretty proud.

oh and a special shout out for the ref. Allow the the shot at an open goal and then bring it back for the penalty? Perhaps someone with a better knowledge of the rules could advise me if that’s ok or not? It is in rugby. 

Don't often comment now on game on here but that's worthy of 100% agreement.

Thought we totally outplayed WBA until they scored, continued to look like we were still in it even at 3-0 but especially 2-0 down.

I haven't said this many times before but fair play to Lee Johnson, he and/or his team have assembled a squad which despite the losses of Bryan, Reid and Flint actually looks stronger this season, and play at times some great stuff.

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Our vulnerability was exposed tonight and the one thing I know about this team is that we were learn from that. 

All teams that play a similar style to us leave themselves exposed to the counter due to the fact slot of the time you are playing a high defensive line with possibly 10 players in the opposition box all being involved in the build up. 

Tonight was a lesson we needed to learn so I'm not overly disappointed. I certainly don't feel like we have lost because we played some really good stuff and created numerous chances and most importantly the spirit was there all the way til the end and that was encouraging.

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Hunt is rather poor defensively and caught out of position for one goal and was just silly on the fourth. Yep Kelly dwindled and got punished.

However, I thought we played some nice stuff and deserved a draw, far to quick for their defence and really should have had a couple more. Pattersons was a shocker of a miss from there and tbh he looked completely devoid of confidence throughout his time on the park.

If we play like that and cut out the errors we will get something from Wigan and wouldn't be surprised if we got all 3 points.

Patterson has lost it and has done since his injury or illness

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General consensus among everyone I spoke to after the game tonight, both City and Baggies support, was that we didn’t take our chances early doors and they were clinical on the night. This is backed by the stats where we had 11 shots on target and 2 goals from 23 attempts, and they had 7 shots on target and 4 goals from 11 attempts. 

Aside from Hunt I thought most players did ok tonight. Kelly had a few dodgy moments first half but improved through the game. Generally we looked good going forward and again the subs, particularly Fammi and Niclas, made an impact. A number of WBA supporters commented to me that they were happy they didn’t start. 

All in all, while disappointed with the result, I am not downcast about the performance. I look forward to the trip to Wigan with anticipation rather than trepidation. 

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I'm not drastically disappointed but neither am I as pleased about the performance as many appear to be.

Too many made schoolboy errors to make it too easy for WBA to put the game out of our reach before half time. But of more concern are the tactics that are used away from home, ignore the age old adage that you start with a point and don't make it easy for the home team to score. The game plan, allowed a team with a very good attack and a mediocre defence to continually hit us on the break.

A more canny approach would have enticed them to come out more in order for us to have done the cherry picking.

Not a disaster against my favourites to go straight back up again but we must not continue to be so generous on our travels.

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I do wonder though when the work in progress ever gets finished. Although I agree with your post.

Never. It’s a simple enough answer. 

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I agree with that to a point, it was like watching Bristol at Gloucester on Friday. We played in a manner that suited the opposition and were too easily picked off and countered. Punished for every mistake by experienced sides who possessed the players with the ability to do so. Gung ho with a large degree of risk and paid the price in both games.

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I'm not drastically disappointed but neither am I as pleased about the performance as many appear to be.

Too many made schoolboy errors to make it too easy for WBA to put the game out of our reach before half time. But of more concern are the tactics that are used away from home, ignore the age old adage that you start with a point and don't make it easy for the home team to score. The game plan, allowed a team with a very good attack and a mediocre defence to continually hit us on the break.

A more canny approach would have enticed them to come out more in order for us to have done the cherry picking.

Not a disaster against my favourites to go straight back up again but we must not continue to be so generous on our travels.

I would have gone with the same line up and the same game plan as LJ. , as I said earlier in this thread. 

It is common knowledge how WBA  play and had we been as clinical as them we would have won this match.

We were undone by their extra class in front of goal and a little bit of overconfidence coming from four straight wins on the bounce. 

I can't criticise LJ. or the team for being attack minded and a pleasure to watch. 

We also have guts and continued playing when we could have given up and been hammered.

All credit to the Club and the fantastic Red Army . We will be back .

 

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I think he made a perfectly valid call with the pen.  Not sure of the specifics, but isn't it that he should give a few seconds to see if an advantage is gained by playing on, and so as the shot went wide, there wasn't an advantage and so he rightfully pulled it back.  I'm quick to criticise refs, but I think he got that spot on.

I’m not sure about this.

Surely the advantage was that the player was permitted to carry on and take a shot at goal? If he happened to miss, that’s his fault no?

A bit like if a player is fouled in midfield but manages to retain the ball, if he runs on a bit and then misplaces a pass, he has simply failed to make the most of the advantage.

Bit of a grey area though admittedly.

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I watched

 

I’m not sure about this.

Surely the advantage was that the player was permitted to carry on and take a shot at goal? If he happened to miss, that’s his fault no?

A bit like if a player is fouled in midfield but manages to retain the ball, if he runs on a bit and then misplaces a pass, he has simply failed to make the most of the advantage.

Bit of a grey area though admittedly.

I watched it on the red button but had it synchronised to the Radio Brizz feed on BCTV.

Both Richard Hoskin and Adam Baker thought it was the correct decision. Adam's points were that if the Baggie had been allowed to take his shot, instead of the ref blowing up for a penalty, there was a very good chance he wouldn't have scored due to City players closing down the possible shot angles. Had it been a City attack, LJ would've have been fuming that the ref hadn't given the penalty. The ref applied the rule correctly.

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10 hours ago, RobintheRed Red said:

Patterson has lost it and has done since his injury or illness

Oh not this again. 

He was ill in November last year, but was then our best player in December. Scored 3 that month, Boro at home as well as those cracking goals against Sheffield Utd away and Reading home on Boxing Day. He also looked really good away to Man City in early Jan. 

I do however agree that he's completely lost his way since Feb, which is a huge shame.

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8 hours ago, Kingswoodactor said:

Oh not this again. 

He was ill in November last year, but was then our best player in December. Scored 3 that month, Boro at home as well as those cracking goals against Sheffield Utd away and Reading home on Boxing Day. He also looked really good away to Man City in early Jan. 

I do however agree that he's completely lost his way since Feb, which is a huge shame.

Well that's what I'm getting at how long do you play a bloke that's out of form and lost the plot and thats why the midfield should have been strentghend

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21 hours ago, Up The City! said:

I dont really feel like we lost because we controlled the game and played some good stuff. West Brom just parked the bus and hit us on the counter.

Well they didn't park it very well. We had 23 shots at goal and we could have been 2 up after 5 minutes. Just a poor 10 min spell when we shipped 3 goals.

Difference between the two teams was finishing. If we had Gayle up front in our side then I dare say he would have filled his boots against that WBA defence

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Totally agree with OP, lots to be happy with.

However, when we lose, why must there be a single player who takes the brunt / is the scapegoat.

In terms of our performance without the ball, that was what let us down....and that came as a team....yet Hunt is singled out by so many on the forum, not just this topic.

Was he worse than anyone else.  Not really.  I get the Kelly love-in, he’s been great, but last night you could argue he was no better than Hunt...his mistake gave Brom the momentum.  Was Webster any better, his slip (wrong-footed) gifting Gayle the second.  Webster and Kelly ball watching for the third from Barnes Cross.

Was it not Hunt who got the cross in from a forward run in the opening 10 seconds?  Was it not Hunt who played the quick ball to Eliasson for our opener?  It was!  No mention on OTIB, but Kelly often receiving comments of “got forward well”.

We need a bit of consistency in our reviews!!

Dont get me wrong he didn’t have a great game, but I actually don’t think Kelly or Webster we’re any better, unless Kelly’s goal gives him an extra mark.

Moan over 😜

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On 19/09/2018 at 00:13, Up The City! said:

All teams that play a similar style to us leave themselves exposed to the counter due to the fact slot of the time you are playing a high defensive line with possibly 10 players in the opposition box all being involved in the build up....

Eh?! When have you ever seen 10 City players in the opposition’s 18 yard box during a move’s build up?!

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23 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Totally agree with OP, lots to be happy with.

However, when we lose, why must there be a single player who takes the brunt / is the scapegoat.

In terms of our performance without the ball, that was what let us down....and that came as a team....yet Hunt is singled out by so many on the forum, not just this topic.

Was he worse than anyone else.  Not really.  I get the Kelly love-in, he’s been great, but last night you could argue he was no better than Hunt...his mistake gave Brom the momentum.  Was Webster any better, his slip (wrong-footed) gifting Gayle the second.  Webster and Kelly ball watching for the third from Barnes Cross.

Was it not Hunt who got the cross in from a forward run in the opening 10 seconds?  Was it not Hunt who played the quick ball to Eliasson for our opener?  It was!  No mention on OTIB, but Kelly often receiving comments of “got forward well”.

We need a bit of consistency in our reviews!!

Dont get me wrong he didn’t have a great game, but I actually don’t think Kelly or Webster we’re any better, unless Kelly’s goal gives him an extra mark.

Moan over 😜

Tend to agree.

Having watched the game back, Kelly had a stinker and was certainly no better than Hunt.

Yes, he's young and he will (hopefully) learn, but that third goal when he was just trotting back after lumping a high ball to no one but their keeper whilst they were piling forward was not good. 

As I say, he will learn but he had a worse game than Hunt imo.

 

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On 19/09/2018 at 21:48, Davefevs said:

Totally agree with OP, lots to be happy with.

However, when we lose, why must there be a single player who takes the brunt / is the scapegoat.

In terms of our performance without the ball, that was what let us down....and that came as a team....yet Hunt is singled out by so many on the forum, not just this topic.

Was he worse than anyone else.  Not really.  I get the Kelly love-in, he’s been great, but last night you could argue he was no better than Hunt...his mistake gave Brom the momentum.  Was Webster any better, his slip (wrong-footed) gifting Gayle the second.  Webster and Kelly ball watching for the third from Barnes Cross.

Was it not Hunt who got the cross in from a forward run in the opening 10 seconds?  Was it not Hunt who played the quick ball to Eliasson for our opener?  It was!  No mention on OTIB, but Kelly often receiving comments of “got forward well”.

We need a bit of consistency in our reviews!!

Dont get me wrong he didn’t have a great game, but I actually don’t think Kelly or Webster we’re any better, unless Kelly’s goal gives him an extra mark.

Moan over 😜

Fair n good post Dave

I was dissapointed in his tracking back and sense of urgency and awareness for the second and third

Quick and athletic enough to have picked up goalscorer 

Lack Of awareness ?

Casual ?

Young and still learning but those recovery’s to bale us out ought to be his forte

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4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Fair n good post Dave

I was dissapointed in his tracking back and sense of urgency and awareness for the second and third

Quick and athletic enough to have picked up goalscorer 

Lack Of awareness ?

Casual ?

Young and still learning but those recovery’s to bale us out ought to be his forte

All the things he learnt from Joe 😄

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1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Fair n good post Dave

I was dissapointed in his tracking back and sense of urgency and awareness for the second and third

Quick and athletic enough to have picked up goalscorer 

Lack Of awareness ?

Casual ?

Young and still learning but those recovery’s to bale us out ought to be his forte

Exactly.  Don’t get me wrong, he’s bloody exciting, and I’ve seen more from him this season than I expected...think some got carried away last season.  However, he’s 19, still learning, and Tuesday was probably as tough a set of opponents that he’ll come across this season as a LB.

When you think about it, he was in direct opposition with Matt Phillips, who at this level is probably as good as you’re gonna face. Couple that with the likes of Gayle and Rodriguez making runs into his space along with Barnes (very impressed with him, not just Tuesday but in other bits and pieces I’ve seen) and you’re gonna be in for a tough night....notwithstanding Ex-England international in their midfield supplying their ammunition!

That game is hopefully one he’ll store away as a poor night at the office, but reflect positively on due to the calibre of opponent...and identify areas to improve.

Then, compare that to Hunt on the other side, facing exactly the issues, except instead of Phillips he had Gibbs.  Brings a bit of balance to the views on their relative performances on Tuesday.  It was a tough night for our defenders, but made more difficult imho by the 6 in front of them not doing the right things....the world class (😷 argh) basics without the ball according to LJ.

Looking forward to a bounce-back tonight.

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