cidered abroad Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 Less than a mile from Ashton Gate on the Hotwell Road, is a 1930’s built block of flats named “Hillsborough”. I lived across the road for a while but could never find out why they were so named. Then last year, I saw a short bit of film from around 1950, with Viscount Alexander of Hillsborough cutting a ribbon to open a new jetty at Burnham on Sea. So now with Wikipedia and others available, I discovered that Albert Victor Alexander was born in Weston-Super-Mare in 1885. The house where he was born is marked with a blue plaque. The son of a blacksmith, his family moved to Barton Hill Bristol when his father died a year later. He left school at thirteen and began working to help sustain the family. He worked for Somerset County Council. Later he was trained as an officer for the First World War but never saw action and worked in Trade Unions in London until, in 1922, he was asked to stand as candidate in the Hillsborough constituency of Sheffield. He gained election and was their MP until 1931 and then again from 1935 until 1950. He was First Lord of the Admiralty in the war cabinet from 1939-45 and then Minister of Defence from 1945-50 when he accepted a peerage and was prominent in the House of Lords until his death in 1965. He was a football fan, but not apparently of Sheffield Wednesday in the constituency he served for almost thirty years. His club was probably chosen when he worked in London before becoming an MP; he became a Vice-President of Chelsea FC until his death and was succeeded by the late Richard Attenborough. In 1963, Alexander was created Baron Weston-Super-Mare and Earl Alexander of Hillsborough. An amazing career of public service for a lad born into such poor surroundings and without any higher education. I have been unable to find any link or reason for the block being named Hillsborough in Hotwell, Bristol, but with Labour Councils more likely in office, it could be that it was named in recognition of Alexander's contribution to the Labour movement. I was very interested to find out all this about a lad brought up in Bristol yet who reached very high political status because my Great Uncle, Ernest Bevin, who was born in Winsford in Exmoor, Somerset, moved to Bristol aged 13. His education was probably much less than Alexander’s but he became a noted and well respected trade union leader, culminating with his formation in the early 1920’s of the Transport and General Workers Union of which he was General Secretary until 1939. Like Alexander, Bevin was brought into the War Cabinet as Minister of Labour and from reading his biography, he was one of the most important members of the cabinet because we could not fight a war if we did not have the people in the right jobs. For example, prior to the war and apart from some areas of the country like the cotton mills of Lancashire, most married women did not work. Bevin got women working as bus drivers, shop assistants and many other too numerous to mention, to replace those who were away in the armed forces. These actions changed our society for ever even if it wasn’t fast enough for some. At the end of the war and a Labour landslide win in the 1945 election, Bevin was Foreign Secretary. The world was still in turmoil, even if the global war had ended. The Russians blockaded Berlin, The Jews and Palestinians were warring, Britain was absolutely bankrupt in 1947 due to the big cost of the war. Bevin went to Washington and pleaded with President Truman to help us with our financial difficulties. He got nothing from the Americans, but continued diplomacy paid off and a year later the US made us a very large loan. Repayable over sixty years, the last payment was made in 2008! Two men with strong links to Bristol and Sheffield, who made careers in unions and politics for themselves from very humble beginnings. Both of whom, helped to shape the country we live in today. Yet today, if one hasn’t a university degree, one doesn’t even get to the list for prospective candidates. Perhaps a degree of common sense is more important. And so, to Wednesday on a Sunday afternoon. Once again, we welcome all the travelling fans of both clubs. Like the early part of this post, there is much to unite us, yet for a couple of hours from 13.30 on Sunday, the Robins and Owls will be trying to kick lumps out of each other. Biting and pecking not allowed. My first recollection of seeing Wednesday at Ashton Gate was in the 1950's. Wednesday were the yo-yo club, up and down between the First and Second Divisions. Albert Quixall, later of Man U after Munich, was having a running battle with City wing half, Cyril Williams, culminating in a right hook from "Twink" that laid out Quixall. No red cards then but it was a long walk off from the Park End for Cyril. But we won 3-2. Many years later, I met Jack Wilkinson who played right wing for Wednesday in the game and he confirmed that Quixall was a brilliant footballer but a wind up merchant. Quixall was of slight build. Now who else have we seen here recently trying to con the ref and acting like a three year old? I’d like to think that we will get another 4-0 but maybe three of those in a row is asking too much. Enjoy the game everyone @Owl Visiting @Owl1867 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Major Isewater Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 18 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: Less than a mile from Ashton Gate on the Hotwell Road, is a 1930’s built block of flats named “Hillsborough”. I lived across the road for a while but could never find out why they were so named. Then last year, I saw a short bit of film from around 1950, with Viscount Alexander of Hillsborough cutting a ribbon to open a new jetty at Burnham on Sea. So now with Wikipedia and others available, I discovered that Albert Victor Alexander was born in Weston-Super-Mare in 1885. The house where he was born is marked with a blue plaque. The son of a blacksmith, his family moved to Barton Hill Bristol when his father died a year later. He left school at thirteen and began working to help sustain the family. He worked for Somerset County Council. Later he was trained as an officer for the First World War but never saw action and worked in Trade Unions in London until, in 1922, he was asked to stand as candidate in the Hillsborough constituency of Sheffield. He gained election and was their MP until 1931 and then again from 1935 until 1950. He was First Lord of the Admiralty in the war cabinet from 1939-45 and then Minister of Defence from 1945-50 when he accepted a peerage and was prominent in the House of Lords until his death in 1965. He was a football fan, but not apparently of Sheffield Wednesday in the constituency he served for almost thirty years. His club was probably chosen when he worked in London before becoming an MP; he became a Vice-President of Chelsea FC until his death and was succeeded by the late Richard Attenborough. In 1963, Alexander was created Baron Weston-Super-Mare and Earl Alexander of Hillsborough. An amazing career of public service for a lad born into such poor surroundings and without any higher education. I have been unable to find any link or reason for the block being named Hillsborough in Hotwell, Bristol, but with Labour Councils more likely in office, it could be that it was named in recognition of Alexander's contribution to the Labour movement. I was very interested to find out all this about a lad brought up in Bristol yet who reached very high political status because my Great Uncle, Ernest Bevin, who was born in Winsford in Exmoor, Somerset, moved to Bristol aged 13. His education was probably much less than Alexander’s but he became a noted and well respected trade union leader, culminating with his formation in the early 1920’s of the Transport and General Workers Union of which he was General Secretary until 1939. Like Alexander, Bevin was brought into the War Cabinet as Minister of Labour and from reading his biography, he was one of the most important members of the cabinet because we could not fight a war if we did not have the people in the right jobs. For example, prior to the war and apart from some areas of the country like the cotton mills of Lancashire, most married women did not work. Bevin got women working as bus drivers, shop assistants and many other too numerous to mention, to replace those who were away in the armed forces. These actions changed our society for ever even if it wasn’t fast enough for some. At the end of the war and a Labour landslide win in the 1945 election, Bevin was Foreign Secretary. The world was still in turmoil, even if the global war had ended. The Russians blockaded Berlin, The Jews and Palestinians were warring, Britain was absolutely bankrupt in 1947 due to the big cost of the war. Bevin went to Washington and pleaded with President Truman to help us with our financial difficulties. He got nothing from the Americans, but continued diplomacy paid off and a year later the US made us a very large loan. Repayable over sixty years, the last payment was made in 2008! Two men with strong links to Bristol and Sheffield, who made careers in unions and politics for themselves from very humble beginnings. Both of whom, helped to shape the country we live in today. Yet today, if one hasn’t a university degree, one doesn’t even get to the list for prospective candidates. Perhaps a degree of common sense is more important. And so, to Wednesday on a Sunday afternoon. Once again, we welcome all the travelling fans of both clubs. Like the early part of this post, there is much to unite us, yet for a couple of hours from 13.30 on Sunday, the Robins and Owls will be trying to kick lumps out of each other. Biting and pecking not allowed. My first recollection of seeing Wednesday at Ashton Gate was in the 1950's. Wednesday were the yo-yo club, up and down between the First and Second Divisions. Albert Quixall, later of Man U after Munich, was having a running battle with City wing half, Cyril Williams, culminating in a right hook from "Twink" that laid out Quixall. No red cards then but it was a long walk off from the Park End for Cyril. But we won 3-2. Many years later, I met Jack Wilkinson who played right wing for Wednesday in the game and he confirmed that Quixall was a brilliant footballer but a wind up merchant. Quixall was of slight build. Now who else have we seen here recently trying to con the ref and acting like a three year old? I’d like to think that we will get another 4-0 but maybe three of those in a row is asking too much. Enjoy the game everyone @Owl Visiting @Owl1867 Very interesting post with a bit of football tagged on . You are a tad premature with your elucidation though . 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ZiderEyed Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 It's on Sunday! Early doors ent it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Peg Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 Early bird catches the worm. Excellent thread @cidered abroad. Fascinating that your Great Uncle was Bevin. My husband's family has strong links with the T&GWU. His portrait was on the local branch banner for years before a new one was made, when the union merged with Amicus to form what is known as Unite today. I had no idea he was from our neck of the woods. I hope the union blood has flowed down the generations Brother Cidered? As for City. Can't see us doing well. 2-1 loss I feel. We fans should strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 We are 22 swedes who will see the game on sunday. Think it will be an open game and a win 2-1. Time for our forwards to score. COYR!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 Are we playing tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis what Crisis ? Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 Cracking OP from CA re the MP from WSM that ran the TGWU........nothing if not informative this place ! ...just not sure about the timing old son OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, Super said: Are we playing tonight? Nope, Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, Super said: Are we playing tonight? We play every Friday because the Rugby is Steve Lansdown and Bristol Sport's main priority remember!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 Should be interesting. We have the same points totals and look just below thst play off pack in terms of performances so far this season. Obviously i can't speak for yourselves but we have been fairly decent since the first 3 awful games. W4 D2 L1 in last 7. But actual performances in that time haven't blown anyone away. All our games have been close. We're the only club not to keep a clean sheet yet this season and that might have a bit to do with our very new/young defence made up of academy players. Dawson, Thorniley and Penney. But they all look really decent to say its their first proper taste of 2nd tier pro football. Hopefully be a good game, can see goals for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 I thought we’d already played this one , back Thursday week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted October 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Very interesting post with a bit of football tagged on . You are a tad premature with your elucidation though . Thanks Major. I got the post going today partly because I'll be too busy tomorrow but also in the hope that any older Wednesday fans might see it and there may even be some who knew Alexander while he was their MP. I'm sure someone will take it off thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted October 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Septic Peg said: Early bird catches the worm. Excellent thread @cidered abroad. Fascinating that your Great Uncle was Bevin. My husband's family has strong links with the T&GWU. His portrait was on the local branch banner for years before a new one was made, when the union merged with Amicus to form what is known as Unite today. I had no idea he was from our neck of the woods. I hope the union blood has flowed down the generations Brother Cidered? As for City. Can't see us doing well. 2-1 loss I feel. We fans should strike. The blood is RED. Red for City, Red for Wales, Red for Labour. No blue blood at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl Visiting Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 Interesting bit of history @cidered abroad This is the 3rd of 4 consecutive games on Sky for us, seems odd as we're a mid table side these days. That's not including the red button thing either, 4 actual main event matches. Should be a decent game, the last few have been very entertaining. We've played quite well recently and thought we were excellent against West Brom a couple of days ago. 2 daft goals given away right at the end undid 85 minutes good work. Bannan back from suspension, I know he has plenty of admirers on here. He's been absolutely fantastic so far this season. Reach in great form also. Hoping for an improvement on 4-0, would happily take a draw. I'll go for 1-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 Blimey. Ernie Bevin’s nephew! Just think, if you were a Conservative with a bloodline like that, you’d be in the Cabinet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTBLUE Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 2 hours ago, cidered abroad said: The blood is RED. Red for City, Red for Wales, Red for Labour. No blue blood at all! Two out three ain’t bad,I’m English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Peg Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 3 hours ago, cidered abroad said: The blood is RED. Red for City, Red for Wales, Red for Labour. No blue blood at all! Brother Cidered. In Len and Jezza We Trust. Nice to meet a fellow comrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted October 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 OK, so come on City fans, I know I put it on a day too early but your thoughts on the match are now required. In other words. BUMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Planet Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 8 hours ago, Owl Visiting said: Interesting bit of history @cidered abroad This is the 3rd of 4 consecutive games on Sky for us, seems odd as we're a mid table side these days. That's not including the red button thing either, 4 actual main event matches. Should be a decent game, the last few have been very entertaining. We've played quite well recently and thought we were excellent against West Brom a couple of days ago. 2 daft goals given away right at the end undid 85 minutes good work. Bannan back from suspension, I know he has plenty of admirers on here. He's been absolutely fantastic so far this season. Reach in great form also. Hoping for an improvement on 4-0, would happily take a draw. I'll go for 1-1. Looking forward to it. From our point of view we need to put a stop to four games in a row without a win. Always had respect for Sheff Weds. A proper club with a long distinguished history. It won't be 4 - 0 again, but I just hope we sneak a win by one goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 8 hours ago, Owl Visiting said: Interesting bit of history @cidered abroad This is the 3rd of 4 consecutive games on Sky for us, seems odd as we're a mid table side these days. That's not including the red button thing either, 4 actual main event matches. It’s not on sky, is it..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 39 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: It’s not on sky, is it..? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 5 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Yes So that means not available on BCTV . I must prepare myself for some illicit low quality streaming. The good news is that I'm very popular with beautiful Ukrainien women who want to meet me for some strange reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 7 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Yes I had no idea it was televised, other than Red button. Thought it was just changed because we played on Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red panda Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 8 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: It’s not on sky, is it..? Correct, apart from red button 7 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Yes No 1 hour ago, Major Isewater said: So that means not available on BCTV . I must prepare myself for some illicit low quality streaming. The good news is that I'm very popular with beautiful Ukrainien women who want to meet me for some strange reason. It is available on BCTV What's with all this fake news. Is this asschat or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 15 hours ago, Leveller said: Blimey. Ernie Bevin’s nephew! Just think, if you were a Conservative with a bloodline like that, you’d be in the Cabinet. Drinks Cabinet.....?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbash Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 15 minutes ago, red panda said: Correct, apart from red button No It is available on BCTV What's with all this fake news. Is this asschat or something? It is on Sky. Sky sports football. On red button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 15 hours ago, Leveller said: Blimey. Ernie Bevin’s nephew! Just think, if you were a Conservative with a bloodline like that, you’d be in the Cabinet. I thought Nie Bevin was the better politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 49 minutes ago, red panda said: Correct, apart from red button No So if it’s on Sky’s red button Its NOT available on Sky ? Is that correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 It’s definitely on the red button but I’ll be at AG watching the game live and I haven’t yet worked out how to record via the red button........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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