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Mr Popodopolous

Drinking in view of the pitch- Talksport now

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I know it's been discussed on here quite often, but if anyone interested it's on Talksport now a debate about it- potentially reps from some clubs, of which a number of clubs are in favour of pilot schemes.

They are:

  • Ipswich
  • Sunderland
  • Doncaster
  • Accrington Stanley
  • Port Vale
  • Forest Green
  • Lincoln
  • Tranmere
  • Northampton

Grimsby, Newport and Gillingham open to discussion too.

They just said also no club requested for their view, was actively in favour of it staying also- but didn't want to make their views public.

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Indeed it does.

Go to watch Bristol Rugby, and you can drink in view of the pitch, in the stand- as we all know. Yet do it at football and you risk ejection, banning or arrest.

It's part of football specific legislation, isn't it?

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I don't know how far up it goes but it's allowed at Conference South level; I very much enjoyed a Boxing Day match last year from the clubhouse terrace.

You couldn't take the beer to pitchside or into the stands so it's not like everyone was drinking through the game.

In terms of safety, and okay it's just one example, everyone was just drinking socially with nobody getting pissed.  We certainly didn't have anyone like this about:

 

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10 minutes ago, Super said:

Someone did make a point about getting drenched in beer every time a goal went in :laugh:

There's always a few utter nobs about that would spoil it for the rest of us.

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12 minutes ago, Super said:

Someone did make a point about getting drenched in beer every time a goal went in :laugh:

Clearly he wouldn't  have been a gashead......

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4 minutes ago, screech said:

There's always a few utter nobs about that would spoil it for the rest of us.

My main problem would be the amount of people going out during the game for drinks. Which someone on TS just picked up on!

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10 minutes ago, Super said:

My main problem would be the amount of people going out during the game for drinks. Which someone on TS just picked up on!

It's bad enough now with loads going for a pi$$ every 5 minutes.

A 'drinkers only' section seemed like a good idea, but that would involve relocating too many fans to seats they don't want to sit in.

I would be inclined to leave things as they are.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Super said:

My main problem would be the amount of people going out during the game for drinks. Which someone on TS just picked up on!

One of these bringing beer to your seats would avoid 36 having to go out to the bar!

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When I've been to watch rugby it's a big interference. Alot of people are more interested in getting a beer than watching the game. This is why I personally wouldn't want it.

I don't think the argument of the possibility of increased drunken behavior is legitimate however as if you're going to get drunk then you will get drunk regardless as it's readily available at half time and before the game.

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1 minute ago, downendcity said:

One of these bringing beer to your seats would avoid 36 having to go out to the bar!

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That wouldn't stop 36 people going for a pi$$ during the next 30 minutes.

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Just now, RedLionLad said:

That wouldn't stop 36 people going for a pi$$ during the next 30 minutes.

The same girl can carry 36 bedpans to avoid fans leaving their seats for that as well!

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I'd quite like to be able to have a beer watching the football, but I'm usually going home to put kids to bed or driving, so it'd just be one or two. There's definitely a risk that some groups of supporters are going to turn up hammered, drink all through the game and create issues as a result. And as others have said, that's a lot of trips to the toilet!

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2 minutes ago, downendcity said:

The same girl can carry 36 bedpans to avoid fans leaving their seats for that as well!

I'd get pi$$ed off with her !

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3 minutes ago, Super said:

Is it the clubs pushing for this rather than the fans? More money to be made.

Listened to a lot of the debate on the way down the M6 and its the clubs pushing it and not the fans.

 

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12 minutes ago, Super said:

My main problem would be the amount of people going out during the game for drinks. Which someone on TS just picked up on!

This... and that fact that in Dolman there is very little leg room anyway.

Although I sit there for football, every rugby game I've gone to I've bought tickets in the South Stand or Lansdown. Partly to experience different areas of the ground but mostly so I can get in/out easily with a beer or two!!

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Watched FGR v Newport a couple a weeks ago. At halftime I had some very nice vegan food and a ecologic pint. The game started and I wen't closer to the window as did many others. A man aproached me and said; -Move away from the window please. I thought he cared for the window and that I migh affect it with my pint. I found it odd but moved two meters backwards and continued to watch the game. A bit later a women approached me and again asked me to step backwards and said this was due to EFL-regulations and I suddenly got the point.       

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6 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

I remember someone once said on here, if you seriously can't go 45 mins without having a drink, you've got a bit of a problem.

Tommy?

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6 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

I remember someone once said on here, if you seriously can't go 45 mins without having a drink, you've got a bit of a problem.

On occasions, watching City for 45 minutes could drive anyone to drink.

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It’s a stupid rule and hopefully if scrapped would stop the mass exodus ten minutes before half time by those for whom football has interrupted their important drinking time.

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2 minutes ago, downendcity said:

On occasions, watching City for 45 minutes could drive anyone to drink.

At some games, a drink has been the most exciting  bit of the game

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1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Indeed it does.

Go to watch Bristol Rugby, and you can drink in view of the pitch, in the stand- as we all know. Yet do it at football and you risk ejection, banning or arrest.

It's part of football specific legislation, isn't it?

But the only reason I would not want it at football is that at rugby, one is constantly being forced to stand and miss a bit more of the game each time it happens. In fact, it is a real nuisance with trays of four beers being brought in, spilling over one's clothing and even soaking the concrete floor/steps which then may become slippery and dangerous.

One does not do this in a theatre or cinema so why at a sporting event in an all seated stadium.

If it became allowed to bring alcohol into the seating area, then the outlets should be closed during play.

I know some will think I'm a misery, but it really is a nuisance at rugby so let's not make the same mistake at football.

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53 minutes ago, downendcity said:

On occasions, watching City for 45 minutes could drive anyone to drink.

The 2nd half at home game against Hull last season is a perfect example!

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57 minutes ago, Laner said:

This... and that fact that in Dolman there is very little leg room anyway.

Although I sit there for football, every rugby game I've gone to I've bought tickets in the South Stand or Lansdown. Partly to experience different areas of the ground but mostly so I can get in/out easily with a beer or two!!

I’m exactly the same. I sit mid row Dolman for football, very little legroom and even if someone stand up in the row infront not your row you still can miss vital happenings in the football. It would annoy the hell out of me to have people coming in and out all game on these two rows. 

For rugby I’m in the SS/Lansdown corner, more room there and I expect people to be in and out. Also every move in rugby isn’t watched like football, anything controversial gets the VAR treatment and you can see it anyway. 

I like the idea of drinking at football though, shame people can’t be trusted with cans, we could have a BYO then ( max 4 cans per person), not that the club would like that but it would stop a lot of the movement only needing to for comfort breaks :laugh:

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24 minutes ago, hodge said:

Can just see people spilling pints everywhere when trying to get back to their seat walking past people

I think that’s what the 2pt jugs are for, at least when you get back to your seat you will have a chance of having at least a pint to drink!

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52 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

But the only reason I would not want it at football is that at rugby, one is constantly being forced to stand and miss a bit more of the game each time it happens. In fact, it is a real nuisance with trays of four beers being brought in, spilling over one's clothing and even soaking the concrete floor/steps which then may become slippery and dangerous.

One does not do this in a theatre or cinema so why at a sporting event in an all seated stadium.

If it became allowed to bring alcohol into the seating area, then the outlets should be closed during play.

I know some will think I'm a misery, but it really is a nuisance at rugby so let's not make the same mistake at football.

It's an interesting one isn't it.

I think the drink thing would be a lot easier on a terrace- all seater I can see the problems you outline.

The other side of the coin is though, that at cricket, rugby union, rugby league- though some of these have terraced areas which definitely helps, probably hockey and athletics also- you can drink in view of the pitch. Arguably discrimination in the sense of football being excluded from this?

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1 hour ago, Super said:

Tommy?

That was 45 seconds not 45 minutes!

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1 minute ago, downendcity said:

That was 45 seconds!

I too thought the bar was set a bit high! 

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27 minutes ago, hodge said:

Can just see people spilling pints everywhere when trying to get back to their seat walking past people

Yep. And spilling drinks when celebrating a goal. I don't see what the problem is the way it is now. 

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14 minutes ago, RUSSEL85 said:

The 2nd half at home game against Hull last season is a perfect example!

LJ was struggling to go 45 minutes without a drink during that one!

1 minute ago, JonDolman said:

Yep. And spilling drinks when celebrating a goal. I don't see what the problem is the way it is now. 

Can see players being booked for that! :)

 

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1 hour ago, RedLionLad said:

I remember someone once said on here, if you seriously can't go 45 mins without having a drink, you've got a bit of a problem.

Wanting to enjoy supping a beer through the half whilst watching the football rather than racing to stand in a long queue in order to neck one at half time seems rather civilised to me.

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1 hour ago, pride of the west said:

When I've been to watch rugby it's a big interference. Alot of people are more interested in getting a beer than watching the game. This is why I personally wouldn't want it.

I don't think the argument of the possibility of increased drunken behavior is legitimate however as if you're going to get drunk then you will get drunk regardless as it's readily available at half time and before the game.

Agree on both points. 

With the second you may well see less drunken behavior- if fans can drink during the game there's less liklihood of trying to cram in a skinful pre-match and turning up bladdered. Could allow some to pace themselves better but like you stated if folk are going to get drunk then that's what they'll do. 

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I think people are misinterpreting what "in view of the pitch" means.

Here is the one I've drunk at, Truro City's ?current ?previous ground Treyew Road.

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There are stands around the ground but the only place that you can drink beer is in front of the clubhouse - that one storey white builidng on the right of the picture which has a flat standing area in front with a rail around it.

Drinks cannot go beyond that rail and it is ?ten foot from the pitch.

So you're not sitting next to somebody with a beer in their hand in the stands and nor are they going to drench you with beer when City score.

This is all that might be coming in; not have a drink wherever you want.

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4 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

I think people are misinterpreting what "in view of the pitch" means.

Here is the one I've drunk at, Truro City's ?current ?previous ground Treyew Road.

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There are stands around the ground but the only place that you can drink beer is in front of the clubhouse - that one storey white builidng on the right of the picture which has a flat standing area in front with a rail around it.

Drinks cannot go beyond that rail and it is ?ten foot from the pitch.

So you're not sitting next to somebody with a beer in their hand in the stands and nor are they going to drench you with beer when City score.

This is all that might be coming in; not have a drink wherever you want.

So where would that be at Ashton Gate for home fans?

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Personally I don't see what's wrong with having beers before the game.your there for the football not alcohol,45 minutes isn't a long wait for your next pint!

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3 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

I think people are misinterpreting what "in view of the pitch" means.

Here is the one I've drunk at, Truro City's ?current ?previous ground Treyew Road.

Truro+15.jpg

There are stands around the ground but the only place that you can drink beer is in front of the clubhouse - that one storey white builidng on the right of the picture which has a flat standing area in front with a rail around it.

Drinks cannot go beyond that rail and it is ?ten foot from the pitch.

So you're not sitting next to somebody with a beer in their hand in the stands and nor are they going to drench you with beer when City score.

This is all that might be coming in; not have a drink wherever you want.

I've had a beer at Wells City under similar circs, but how do you think something like this would work at AG, Ed?

I just have a horrible feeling that if we did allow it at the Gate the minority of bellends would ruin things for the rest of us.

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5 minutes ago, hodge said:

So where would that be at Ashton Gate for home fans?

 

4 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

I've had a beer at Wells City under similar circs, but how do you think something like this would work at AG, Ed?

I just have a horrible feeling that if we did allow it at the Gate the minority of bellends would ruin things for the rest of us.

I agree with the both of you!

I think it's been allowed in the lower leagues because the numbers are small, the bellends are infrequent, and the atmosphere is more relaxed.

All I could think would be say a bar with seats for which you had to buy tickets that didn't allow entry for the rest of the specatators, and vice versa.

I don't really think it would work tbh but maybe in some grounds it would.  I was more trying to to stop the idea taking hold that allowing ths would mean that suddenly everyone would be tanking ten cans of Special Brew through the match in their usual seats when that is very much not how it works.

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Rather than safe standing perhaps we should trial commode seats with a desency  blanket ( 2 in winter) and drinks that pop up by the seat.

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