NickJ Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 minute ago, NickJ said: Why? Suspect he was rested / rotated, rather than dropped. He’s featured in pretty much every game, is 20, and needs to be managed carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted October 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Suspect he was rested / rotated, rather than dropped. He’s featured in pretty much every game, is 20, and needs to be managed carefully. Yes mate the sort of answer I would expect as it is the answer. Just don't get it. We as fans are paying top wages for 2 England Under 21 left backs, one to play one to keep the bench warm? While some fans have to pick and choose their games as they can't afford to go every week? The world has gone mad the football world has gone madder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 58 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Suspect he was rested / rotated, rather than dropped. He’s featured in pretty much every game, is 20, and needs to be managed carefully. Also didn't get a break during the international break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Kalas was back and Da Silva out performed him at full back on Saturday. Both played well whilst Lloyd got a rest. Non story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Rested as he hasn’t had one this season yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 6 hours ago, NickJ said: Why? He isn't an under 21 international, he's an U20 international, it may seem a small distinction, but it emphasises how young he is. We had a very young goalkeeper in too, making his home debut so I can understand LJ wanting to play the most experienced defence in front of him that he could. It could also be argued that at home Da Silva carries more of an attacking threat without being a detriment to our defensive ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 It will be a straight fight between the two of them for the left back place, not much between the two of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Pretty sure we’ll see Kelly, COD and Taylor start on sat. Last season we burnt players out by Christmas - this is the reason personally I think LJ is rotating it a bit on midweek/weeekend weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 13 minutes ago, Tomarse said: Pretty sure we’ll see Kelly, COD and Taylor start on sat. Last season we burnt players out by Christmas - this is the reason personally I think LJ is rotating it a bit on midweek/weeekend weeks It's what he did in the League Cup run, until injuries reduced his options and the burn out began. As long as we win people don't mention the changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Port Said Red said: He isn't an under 21 international, he's an U20 international, it may seem a small distinction, but it emphasises how young he is. We had a very young goalkeeper in too, making his home debut so I can understand LJ wanting to play the most experienced defence in front of him that he could. It could also be argued that at home Da Silva carries more of an attacking threat without being a detriment to our defensive ability. First bit could be argued but you can't get away with the second bit. Not playing Lloyd is going to be a detriment to our defence. Da Silva getting caught early last night showed the difference. Lloyd is a class act. I can see why he was rested though. I hope he comes back in against Stoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 8 hours ago, NickJ said: Yes mate the sort of answer I would expect as it is the answer. Just don't get it. We as fans are paying top wages for 2 England Under 21 left backs, one to play one to keep the bench warm? While some fans have to pick and choose their games as they can't afford to go every week? The world has gone mad the football world has gone madder. I think you've gone mad... We didn't know Kelly was going to be an Under 20 (not 21) international when we signed Da Silva. They both have a role to play, Kelly is young and needs to be managed he's still learning and I'd imagine its a steep step up in terms of fitness and strain on the body to jump into mens first team football this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyed Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Wasn't the u20 international dropped in favour of the U21 international tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHRIDGE BCFC Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 8 hours ago, NickJ said: Yes mate the sort of answer I would expect as it is the answer. Just don't get it. We as fans are paying top wages for 2 England Under 21 left backs, one to play one to keep the bench warm? While some fans have to pick and choose their games as they can't afford to go every week? The world has gone mad the football world has gone madder. Before the start of the season Kelly had made 11 league appearances. He's already made 10 this season. Surely you can see we were never going to go into the season with a 19 year old lad who'd only made a handful of starts as our only left back in the squad? Of course we needed cover! If Lloyd can get 30-35 starts under his belt this season it will have been a great season for him, without the risk of over playing him and him burning out. That will be no good for him nor us! And on wages don't forget we sold Magnússon, who i'm sure would be on a fair bit more that Da Silva's costing us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Another clean sheet and a win, so can't see the issue with Kelly being rested. I think LJ has tougher choices to make in midfield and up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red DNA Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 8 hours ago, NickJ said: While some fans have to pick and choose their games as they can't afford to go every week? The world has gone mad the football world has gone madder. These players are near the top of a very well profession, I doubt the majority of us are at the top end of the pay scale in our jobs, if we were we’d be up with the prawn sandwich brigade. Lloyd is no doubt quality and hungry for games but he needs to be managed correctly so he reaches his full potential - hopefully with us, at least for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthered Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, downendcity said: Another clean sheet and a win, so can't see the issue with Kelly being rested. I think LJ has tougher choices to make in midfield and up front. Agree with this...Our weakness is central midfield and we need to get better in January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 13 minutes ago, kevthered said: Agree with this...Our weakness is central midfield and we need to get better in January We'll be top of the league by then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthered Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, RedLionLad said: We'll be top of the league by then... Hope so Buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, kevthered said: Hope so Buddy We are slowly closing in......Just 4 points off it at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TinMan's left peg Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 9 hours ago, NickJ said: Yes mate the sort of answer I would expect as it is the answer. Just don't get it. We as fans are paying top wages for 2 England Under 21 left backs, one to play one to keep the bench warm? While some fans have to pick and choose their games as they can't afford to go every week? The world has gone mad the football world has gone madder. This doesn’t make sense. You seem to be advocating we either play 2 players at left back in the same starting 11 or that we only have 1 left back in the club to save money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red panda Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 9 hours ago, NickJ said: Yes mate the sort of answer I would expect as it is the answer. Just don't get it. We as fans are paying top wages for 2 England Under 21 left backs, one to play one to keep the bench warm? While some fans have to pick and choose their games as they can't afford to go every week? The world has gone mad the football world has gone madder. Bad night for you?? No Lloyd Kelly, had to pay too much for your coffee, and then had to use lots and lots of plastic tubs to get all the milk you want. Meanwhile, we're still challenging for a play-off place, we have more strength in depth than last year (this allows us to rest players, which is undoubtedly a good thing), and those who cannot get to every match have more opportunities than ever to watch games online instead. If that's the definition of madness, then bring it on ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 38 minutes ago, kevthered said: Agree with this...Our weakness is central midfield and we need to get better in January thats been the weakness in the side since we got promoted, We need barry bannon and we need to break the bank to get him, put him in this side and we'll get promoted, I have no doubts about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityboy Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 11 hours ago, NickJ said: Yes mate the sort of answer I would expect as it is the answer. Just don't get it. We as fans are paying top wages for 2 England Under 21 left backs, one to play one to keep the bench warm? While some fans have to pick and choose their games as they can't afford to go every week? The world has gone mad the football world has gone madder. "We as fans" aren't paying a penny for either of their wages. That credit has to go to SL. Also, have you never heard of squad depth? Arguably our undoing over recent seasons. Though I do have sympathy for your view on fans being priced out. Given the relatively small contribution gate receipts make to a clubs income these days, it would be nice to see cheaper tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 12 hours ago, NickJ said: Yes mate the sort of answer I would expect as it is the answer. Just don't get it. We as fans are paying top wages for 2 England Under 21 left backs, one to play one to keep the bench warm? While some fans have to pick and choose their games as they can't afford to go every week? The world has gone mad the football world has gone madder. As a paying fan I expect the Manager to manage our young players correctly. Whilst I don’t advocate the bingo ball selection at times you have to consider the level these lads have been chucked into. You can argue these lads are on £5-10k per week and should be fit but there is a difference between “fit” and being fully match sharp at Championship level. You only need to be as little as 5% off full physical and mental sharpness to cost the team points in this league. So if the Manager believes a young kid needs a rest then I think we have to go with that because he knows them a lot better than we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red7 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Has he actually been dropped? Thought his recent games were for the U20s, not the U21s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Junior player rested? What next? You will be telling me they no longer need to clean the senior players' boots next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 19 minutes ago, Mad Cyril said: Junior player rested? What next? You will be telling me they no longer need to clean the senior players' boots next. They can't anymore. Previously they cleaned them using little plastic tubs of UHT Milk and there is a shortage of them these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarumred Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 He wasn't dropped; he was rested to avoid burn out. Bear in mind he a played two games during the international break whilst the rest didn't. Da Silva also played during the international break but has not played as many matches as Lloyd during the first part of the season. A sensible move by LJ in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real_bristol Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 In hindsight correct decision. But what if we’d have lost or even conceded. more importantly, can someone who watches them more than me tell me if there is room for Kelly and Da silva in the same team, with them both on the left or some other combo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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