Never to the dark side Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 There were seven Championship games this mid week and on both nights, the games were up against Champions league games one game was equal with last season. just one game was an increase in attendance five games recorded a fall and Leeds recorded a fall of 5,000. Now let me say I have no objection to the red button option its just we need to do something to arrest this decline. Shorter distance to travel would be a good option that would not cost anything reduce ticket prices might be an option free transport I better not say increase the subscription although it's still free if you have Sky. We only have one midweek away fixture between now and the end of the season at Ipswich in a few weeks time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Better scheduling to not have 2 games in 3 days would help. Even Tuesday / Saturday seems much better than Wednesday / Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norn Iron Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 The EFL are aware of a fall in attendances since the games were available on the red button. The press are monitoring it. A couple of national newspapers have already published a fairly lengthy story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gl1 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Never to the dark side said: There were seven Championship games this mid week and on both nights, the games were up against Champions league games one game was equal with last season. just one game was an increase in attendance five games recorded a fall and Leeds recorded a fall of 5,000. Now let me say I have no objection to the red button option its just we need to do something to arrest this decline. Shorter distance to travel would be a good option that would not cost anything reduce ticket prices might be an option free transport I better not say increase the subscription although it's still free if you have Sky. We only have one midweek away fixture between now and the end of the season at Ipswich in a few weeks time I think this is the start of bigger things to come. With the announcement that at least premier league level you dont need any attendance to make a profit, I see most clubs exploring and exploiting the on line attendance as a way to supplement match day revenue. Of course it will have an impact to some extent on attendance, especially those who have to travel some distance to be to the stadium. It is a fine tightrope that the club will have to walk to maximise revenue versus the drop in actual attendance, but I reckon the red button and BCTV is only in its infancy. Im a season ticket holder and have been for years but last nights game I had to miss as I was working in the midlands and couldn’t get to the Gate in time. I barely got home to Gloucester in time, but decided to buy BCTV for a tenner to watch the match. As normally I would pay 15 quid on petrol, a tenner for parking and a couple,of quid on a coffee I was actually in credit last night. Would I sacrifice the emotion, atmosphere and live experience for a season ticket for internet streaming? As long as my finances allow probably no, but the club should at least look at the possibility of on line UK based season tickets. No one knows how this will pan out, but it’s interesting time. after saying all this, the club will need to look at the lagging, buffering problem on BCTV. I have really high speed internet but it was constantly lagging last night.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reformed_red Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 It’s not the fault of Sky. It’s the fault of the “random fixture generator”, the evidence as requested me Lord; City v Hull Millwall v Wigan QPR v Sheff Weds Preston v Brentford Leeds v Ipswich Not being funny but even without the evil Sky red button of doom, those fixtures for midweek games are pretty poor. The EFL should be looking at that and trying to take it into account when scheduling. Then again, even by switching those kind of games to weekend there’s no guarantee more would travel I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, reformed_red said: It’s not the fault of Sky. It’s the fault of the “random fixture generator”, the evidence as requested me Lord; City v Hull Millwall v Wigan QPR v Sheff Weds Preston v Brentford Leeds v Ipswich Not being funny but even without the evil Sky red button of doom, those fixtures for midweek games are pretty poor. The EFL should be looking at that and trying to take it into account when scheduling. Then again, even by switching those kind of games to weekend there’s no guarantee more would travel I guess? It’s crazy isn’t it. We played Brentford on Saturday and Preston were at Hull. Last night Hull came to us and Brentford had to go to Preston. If the Saturday fixtures were played last night and the longer journeys kept for a Saturday both sets of fans could have cut their journey times in half. Ok it worked out better for us to be away on Saturday and home last night but for other fans it didn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 It worked out for me last night as I was working in London and couldn’t get to the game, but it should of never been aloud in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Norn Iron said: The EFL are aware of a fall in attendances since the games were available on the red button. The press are monitoring it. A couple of national newspapers have already published a fairly lengthy story. Have you got a link to those articles? Tbh, I’m not convinced that the red button makes much impact on the fall in attendances. To access it you need a Sky subscription and the actual coverage isn’t that good although better than listening on the radio. Last nights lower attendance at AG was largely down to so few away fans. Hull is a good 5 or 6 hours away and that’s difficult for away fan for an evening match. I doubt those that did travel down didnt get back to the early hours. As NTTDS says travelling to away night matches should be a a short a distance as possible. Cant see it happening tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 And as for the red button. We haven’t seen how the bad weather on a cold February evening will affect the games yet. There were never 200 plus Hull fans there last night, can’t have even covered the cost of stewarding them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Interesting isn’t it. Maybe also has something to do with the price of tickets. For existing basic TV Sky subscribers, adding just the ‘Championship’ football option over the last 5 odd weeks has cost around £30. Think that’s delivered me about 6 live City games. That’s £5 per match. While a couple of those I feel I should have been paid to watch, I still don’t think that’s a bad deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamalagerdrinker Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 For me it's brilliant living up north and only managing 10 games on average a season either away or 1-2 at home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 50 minutes ago, gl1 said: but the club should at least look at the possibility of on line UK based season tickets. I'd probably get one of those. Living in London I get to maybe one home game a season. Normally the boxing day game. Then of course I go to QPR, Brentford, Millwall, Watford, Brighton, Reading if possible. I've paid the tenner a couple of times this season. It's not been bad, the commentary is a bit amateurish, not a patch on what you get from BBC or Sky, but I've had no issues with the stream itself. Definitely would prefer buying a specific Bristol City online package over a generic sky package. Money to the club is always good, perhaps it could give you one home match ticket as well? Would be a good sign of the in at least thinking a little of its non-bristol based fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norn Iron Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 44 minutes ago, Robbored said: Have you got a link to those articles? Yertiz https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/efl-to-continue-streaming-games-despite-drop-in-attendances-kjwkqwdh9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 90 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 When it's a choice of watching something for free or being charged £33 a ticket you can see why people would choose the red button. If ticket prices were more reasonably priced (£20 - 20 is plenty) then i'm sure attendances wouldn't suffer quite so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, Norn Iron said: Yertiz https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/efl-to-continue-streaming-games-despite-drop-in-attendances-kjwkqwdh9 Thanks Norn. Im not convinced tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHRIDGE BCFC Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, RedM said: It’s crazy isn’t it. We played Brentford on Saturday and Preston were at Hull. Last night Hull came to us and Brentford had to go to Preston. If the Saturday fixtures were played last night and the longer journeys kept for a Saturday both sets of fans could have cut their journey times in half. Ok it worked out better for us to be away on Saturday and home last night but for other fans it didn’t. I'm sure The Football League a year or so ago made it their aim to make the midweek games the ones that were further in distance to try and make the weekend games closer so more fans would attend. Yes here's the link https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/efl-chief-admits-conscious-scheduling-11284376 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonL Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 From my point of view, its city messing around with traditional days for games that is having an impact more than the red button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 There's a few reasons why Hull's away attendance was so low. Hull is a very long way- and not the richest area. Wednesday night. They are struggling badly in the League. The owners- there's been problems there for a while, their home attendances have certainly declined since these issues arose. Same would go for away attendances I guess. However the red button of course plays a part. Something to monitor IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 This is being looked at in the wrong way. People watching live AT the game has fallen but the viewing audience has massively increased. We think of the church as behind the times, but they have embraced this new technology. A local vicar told me that attendances have fallen at his Sunday Service since it was available on the red button on The God Channel, he used to get average gates of 320 but this has decreased to 175 since the option to watch at home came to pass. However, he now knows that about 6,500 souls are viewing his efforts and thus he is spreading the word of God to a bigger congregation which means he can also increase sponsorship packages for the font, front pews and his personal Bible etc. Surely, the object of any entertainment is to perform before the biggest audience it can possibly generate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Is going to the match gonna be going the way of internet shopping? Eg empty grounds...... Well done sky.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 The people who go regularly are still going to go regularly. However it's the undecided fans... Those that decide on the day or are umming and ahing about it that are going to drop off. It's a lot easier to decide not to go when you can still watch the game from your sofa. I'm in two minds about it. I don't like seeing drops in attendences but i can never make week night fixtures at the gate so they are a blessing for me personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted October 25, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 hours ago, reformed_red said: Not being funny but even without the evil Sky red button of doom, those fixtures for midweek games are pretty poor. The EFL should be looking at that and trying to take it into account when scheduling. Then again, even by switching those kind of games to weekend there’s no guarantee more would travel I guess? I mention this every time this debate comes up, teams have been noted as saying they request long distance matches in a midweek as it saves on the expense of staying overnight before the game they travel down on the morning and then back home through the night - rubbish for supporters but then in this day and age I would guess a large % of any teams following come from other places than the City the club are based in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Robbored said: Have you got a link to those articles? Tbh, I’m not convinced that the red button makes much impact on the fall in attendances. To access it you need a Sky subscription and the actual coverage isn’t that good although better than listening on the radio. Last nights lower attendance at AG was largely down to so few away fans. Hull is a good 5 or 6 hours away and that’s difficult for away fan for an evening match. I doubt those that did travel down didnt get back to the early hours. As NTTDS says travelling to away night matches should be a a short a distance as possible. Cant see it happening tho... What do you drive? A bloody tractor? Up and back takes around 7 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, RedLionLad said: What do you drive? A bloody tractor? Up and back takes around 7 hours. No it doesn't, it really doesn't , legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted October 25, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 48 minutes ago, RedLionLad said: What do you drive? A bloody tractor? Up and back takes around 7 hours. 40 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said: No it doesn't, it really doesn't , legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gl1 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 3 hours ago, ExiledAjax said: I'd probably get one of those. Living in London I get to maybe one home game a season. Normally the boxing day game. Then of course I go to QPR, Brentford, Millwall, Watford, Brighton, Reading if possible. I've paid the tenner a couple of times this season. It's not been bad, the commentary is a bit amateurish, not a patch on what you get from BBC or Sky, but I've had no issues with the stream itself. Definitely would prefer buying a specific Bristol City online package over a generic sky package. Money to the club is always good, perhaps it could give you one home match ticket as well? Would be a good sign of the in at least thinking a little of its non-bristol based fans. You’re exactly the kind of supporter who I would aim an online season ticket at. Exiled, can only get to one or two games, but would be willing to stump up for an online season pass. Dropping prices at AG isn’t going to get you there more often, but the club could tap into hundreds of exiled, work away, family tied, or physically unable. My brother suffers from agoraphobia but I’m sure would jump at the chance of an online season ticket. out of interest what would you consider a fair price for a full online season ticket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_eastender Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, gl1 said: You’re exactly the kind of supporter who I would aim an online season ticket at. Exiled, can only get to one or two games, but would be willing to stump up for an online season pass. Dropping prices at AG isn’t going to get you there more often, but the club could tap into hundreds of exiled, work away, family tied, or physically unable. My brother suffers from agoraphobia but I’m sure would jump at the chance of an online season ticket. out of interest what would you consider a fair price for a full online season ticket? I may be misunderstanding what you mean by online season ticket, but you can already opt to pay £110 for a season's "pass" on BCTV (or £12.50 pm)… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 37 minutes ago, phantom said: Well 3 hours 54 is best part of 8 hours with no unexpected hold ups, which never happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gl1 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 33 minutes ago, old_eastender said: I may be misunderstanding what you mean by online season ticket, but you can already opt to pay £110 for a season's "pass" on BCTV (or £12.50 pm)… Only works if you’re not In the Uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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