city1983 Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 2 hours ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: Less of the negative first half though. That result is on the manager. I totally agree. I’ve not been too critical of Johnson the last year or so, but as good as we looked the 2nd half, he waited until we let in a goal to make the changes we were crying out for. While stoke were not as dominant in the first half as we were in the 2nd, they were entirely comfortable and were cruising to victory as our midfield could not get a grip. This has been clear all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 I don’t think you can praise LJ for picking a good team for 50% of the match. As @Red Army 75 and others have said, Johnson’s starting lineup cost us the 3 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 It was noticeable in the first half that when we lost possession the first thought was to reset back into positions rather than press and close like we did for much of last season. That looked very planned to me, and it does seem to me that LJ tries to counter the bigger sides rather than play our own game. The second half was of course far better but I don't know what it takes for us to actually can start a game like that and keep it up. What we lacked in the second half was a goalscorer and not much else. I was surprised to see Patterson stay on, but the subs were all effective. For all the star names on the team sheet I thought Stoke were pretty weak and lucky to get anything from the game let alone three points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 3 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said: Don’t want to start a thread so put it here Dede was fantastic today even first half 3 hours ago, Ian M said: We said the same, even his touch seemed better. @BS4 on Tour... has been working with him, showing him cine-film from his pomp 3 hours ago, chinapig said: In his selection and tactics LJ seems to be far too worried about the opposition. Hence the constant changes looking to counter them rather than imposing our game. Not that I have a clue what our game is any more as there seems to be no coherent philosophy. Just got in, so not read any other threads. When I saw the line-up assumed we’d go with the set up we did after half an hour on Wednesday (4141) with Pack as the DM, and the midfield 4 all with licence to join Diedhiou. As it happened, we went 4411, subtlety different, but meant our midfield 4 (with Pack) rarely got close enough in the first half to Diedhiou unless we got it wide first. Second half, Pack sat, controlled it, whilst Brownhill and Walsh (I'm sure there’ll be a thread to talk about him today!!!) to get in and around Diedhiou, for quick give and go’s, where Diedhiou showed so much more. If it wasn’t for Butland, we would’ve got a point, and I bet a fair few of us thought we might go on and win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 1 hour ago, pongo88 said: I don’t think you can praise LJ for picking a good team for 50% of the match. As @Red Army 75 and others have said, Johnson’s starting lineup cost us the 3 points. Cost us a point at least, quite possibly 3. Though Butland saved them even so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulcityfan Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 5 hours ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: And they were fortunate to win the game mate for that reason. Different when you play away, they totally controlled the first half and we were rubbish. I don't think Johnson knows his best team. I think during todays second half Johnson may have stumbled upon his best team from what he has available. Truly pulsating football, and left us baffled how we got nothing from the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 6 hours ago, Ian M said: We may have lost but that second half performance repeated will not see us lose many. Good to watch. Yet LJ picked that team to start. To me that's very worrying.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazelboy Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 6 hours ago, bristolcitysweden said: When will we see a doctors degree in football? There are doctor degrees in everything apart from football. Someone who can explain what actually happened supported by statistics. Why not financed by Steve Lansdown and why not at the local UNI? Bore off you weird idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aranu Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 As much as the starting XI was not the way forward today, can LJ see today's performances and find a way at for Walsh and Taylor to be in the starting XI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCRED Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 11 hours ago, Davefevs said: @BS4 on Tour... has been working with him, showing him cine-film from his pomp Just got in, so not read any other threads. When I saw the line-up assumed we’d go with the set up we did after half an hour on Wednesday (4141) with Pack as the DM, and the midfield 4 all with licence to join Diedhiou. As it happened, we went 4411, subtlety different, but meant our midfield 4 (with Pack) rarely got close enough in the first half to Diedhiou unless we got it wide first. Second half, Pack sat, controlled it, whilst Brownhill and Walsh (I'm sure there’ll be a thread to talk about him today!!!) to get in and around Diedhiou, for quick give and go’s, where Diedhiou showed so much more. If it wasn’t for Butland, we would’ve got a point, and I bet a fair few of us thought we might go on and win it. If it wasn't for Butland we would have won the game, at least 3 worldie saves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Let’s see that 2nd half performance at 0-0, then we’ll talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 16 hours ago, nickolas said: One reason - Liam Walsh. Best single handed midfield performance, controlling a game, that ive seen for many a year. You know what to do LJ. ( and fully expect him to not pick him next week! ). looks like we already have a Barry Bannan of our own. but you're right probably wont start next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Another reactionary performance from manager/ players. Far too cautious in our plan from the start and needed to bring on our known busy threats to chase the game down. Very good second half performance though, so not too disappointed, but we don't seem to learn from these mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpexile Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 15 hours ago, fishy said: So can someone sum it up for me as I couldn't make it today. Was it a loss like away at W.B or a loss like Wigan? Was it just we played well/badly? We're the subs good? Cheers All of the above !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 I think especially at home, Lee has to forget about over thinking and worrying how to combat certain threats from the opposition and just play OUR best team and do what we do best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Walsh was very good, and I've been wanting to see him get some time on the pitch for a while ..... but. It was against a team that were winning, they didn't need to do anything. They've been on a bad run, are in a poor position and looked to hold on to what they had. It gave us a lot os possession and room to play . I said after the Brentford cameo, he plays with his head up, looks to move the ball and bring people in to play. What showed up yesterday was, he is 2 footed and can also switch the play well. I think he might be the missing creative link we have wanted for a while, but it all depends on how LJ plays him. No doubt a very promising 45. Webster and Kalas look good, Hunt is ok but I didn't understand the logic in dropping DaSilva after a very good display Wednesday. I get rotation to keep players fresh but surely there has to be a little bit of "play well , keep your place" ? The problem at the moment as I see it, we have 4/5 playing well and another 3 just not on it. Yesterday although always wanting the ball, Pack was well off his best form. The same for Paterson, better than he has been , but I don't understand how he gets a start . Purely down to system change I would guess yesterday, but after a game changing 30 minutes Wednesday he could easily have had Taylor there and with much more constant threat. I think yesterday was like so many games where we have done well late on. Teams sit and try and hold what they have, we get a head of steam up and usually nick a goal and people go home happy. Butland stopped that yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
city1983 Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 10 hours ago, Aranu said: As much as the starting XI was not the way forward today, can LJ see today's performances and find a way at for Walsh and Taylor to be in the starting XI? Think the squad suits 352 personally. gk Kallas Webster kelly hunt pack Walsh Brownhill da silva taylor Diédhiou But with the squad we have we have the possibility of playing a multitude of formations, yet LJ persists with playing 442,but we simply don’t have the midfield to play it, certainly not to play with 2 wingers. For someone who people talk about as a modern thinking manager, he sets up in a draconian 442 and we end up lumping it most of the time. and people call warnock a dinosaur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, city1983 said: Think the squad suits 352 personally. gk Kallas Webster kelly hunt pack Walsh Brownhill da silva taylor Diédhiou But with the squad we have we have the possibility of playing a multitude of formations, yet LJ persists with playing 442,but we simply don’t have the midfield to play it, certainly not to play with 2 wingers. For someone who people talk about as a modern thinking manager, he sets up in a draconian 442 and we end up lumping it most of the time. and people call warnock a dinosaur ...and you could easily switch to a 442, by moving Hunt back to RB and play Dasilva LM. The question I was posing to @Major Isewater on another thread is what does this mean for LJ’s recruitment of Watkins, Adelakun, Eliasson, Paterson and O’Dowda....(clue - all wingers - Pato can play no10 too)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, Davefevs said: ...and you could easily switch to a 442, by moving Hunt back to RB and play Dasilva LM. The question I was posing to @Major Isewater on another thread is what does this mean for LJ’s recruitment of Watkins, Adelakun, Eliasson, Paterson and O’Dowda....(clue - all wingers - Pato can play no10 too)? Wingers or wide midfielders Dave ? Ability to run at the opposition from the flanks or tuck in to support the Centre of the defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
city1983 Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Most of them could play more centrally or replace either Diédhiou or Taylor. Or we can play 451. Either way we simply do not have a midfield pairing that allows us to play 442 with 2 out and out wingers. It leads us to getting over run in every game. hopefully yesterday’s 2nd half performance the penny might have finally dropped or he might have stumbled across a team he will stick with. But I fear that he will drop pack or Brownhill for Walsh, and Walsh won’t look half the player he did on Saturday leaving Johnson scratching his head again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: Wingers or wide midfielders Dave ? Ability to run at the opposition from the flanks or tuck in to support the Centre of the defence. Doesn’t matter what we call them these days imho, but I would probably say Eliasson, Adelakun and O’Dowda were bought as wingers. Paterson and Watkins are wide forwards. I’m confused!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmycolour Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 20 hours ago, Red Army 75 said: Johnson’s starting lineup cost us the 3 points. No doubt As you said "NO doubt" "No ideas" never been a Johnson happy clapper never Will, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTBLUE Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Time to pro-active rather than reactive I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 1 hour ago, NOTBLUE said: Time to pro-active rather than reactive I think. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 why does he keep getting popoloptic with the 4th official?? they don't take a blind bit of notice of him?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 The starting line up was “if there were no knocks or niggles with the available players” utterly weird! I’m not sure what he thinks sometimes, having said that we lost a football match because we couldn’t convert any of the plethora of second half chances. Any team that plays us knows one goal should be enough for a draw. Not helped by the 45 minutes we often don’t show up for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 On 28/10/2018 at 09:43, city1983 said: Think the squad suits 352 personally. gk Kallas Webster kelly hunt pack Walsh Brownhill da silva taylor Diédhiou But with the squad we have we have the possibility of playing a multitude of formations, yet LJ persists with playing 442,but we simply don’t have the midfield to play it, certainly not to play with 2 wingers. For someone who people talk about as a modern thinking manager, he sets up in a draconian 442 and we end up lumping it most of the time. and people call warnock a dinosaur Ran out of likes but very true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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