longyears Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 With LJ in charge that is us - will not challenge for promotion and will likely not flirt with relegation. If that is what SL and the club wants then fair enough. Just wonder how long people will buy a season ticket to be bored by mediocrity and no real reason to care whether we win or lose. Any opinions out there..............? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redsi2 Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 Yes, look what Ipswich fans wanted and what they got. I would be more than happy with middle of the road for a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 An LJ out thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Redsi2 said: Yes, look what Ipswich fans wanted and what they got. I would be more than happy with middle of the road for a bit. Bang on, how often have we been a consistent mid championship team? GJ had a few seasons before the slide, bit entitled to think that mid table is not good enough for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 Offer that proposition to any team in League One right now and see how many refuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 A Reminiscent Drive brought me here (niche post). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 Great album title for some obscure country rock band, I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 2 hours ago, longyears said: With LJ in charge that is us - will not challenge for promotion and will likely not flirt with relegation. If that is what SL and the club wants then fair enough. Just wonder how long people will buy a season ticket to be bored by mediocrity and no real reason to care whether we win or lose. Any opinions out there..............? agree, not showing any ambition so why should I, and have had a season ticket for 25 years, said exactly the same as I came out of the ground and with the trusty red button and more and more games on Friday Sunday god knows what kick of time unless by some fluke we gain promotion then that's my last season ticket for a while sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHIPLEY RED Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, pillred said: agree, not showing any ambition so why should I, and have had a season ticket for 25 years, said exactly the same as I came out of the ground and with the trusty red button and more and more games on Friday Sunday god knows what kick of time unless by some fluke we gain promotion then that's my last season ticket for a while sorry. So after 25 years as a season ticket holder watching about half of those seasons in the 3rd tier you think that being in the top half of the Championship, 3 points off the play offs, 5 points off there automatic promotion place and only 7 off the top spot warrants chucking in your season ticket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 35 minutes ago, CHIPLEY RED said: So after 25 years as a season ticket holder watching about half of those seasons in the 3rd tier you think that being in the top half of the Championship, 3 points off the play offs, 5 points off there automatic promotion place and only 7 off the top spot warrants chucking in your season ticket? umm yes I do, and after the same amount of time you may well think the same, look I love city as much as the next man probably more, but there comes a time when you think am I happy with the status quo (cue down down deeper and down jokes) and no I am not sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHIPLEY RED Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 16 minutes ago, pillred said: umm yes I do, and after the same amount of time you may well think the same, look I love city as much as the next man more probably more, but there comes a time when you think am I happy with the status quo (cue down down deeper and down jokes) and no I am not sorry. You seem to assume I haven't supported City very long I'm 53 and started going when I was about 12 which is about 40 years, admittedly not always a season ticket holder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 My (realistic IMO) hopes and expectations for this season were: *Midtable. *A lot of bedding in of new players after all the changes- a building year if you like. *Some notable scalps however. *A clear and cohesive tactical plan for now and the future, including Plan B and the like. Think we're on course for 3/4, the last the jury is out IMO but occasional flashes (tactical ploy v Sheffield United and the tweaks v Hull) do give me hope that LJ could be learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, CHIPLEY RED said: You seem to assume I haven't supported City very long I'm 53 and started going when I was about 12 which is about 40 years, admittedly not always a season ticket holder. sorry, then that gives you another 9 years before becoming as disillusioned and cynical as me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHIPLEY RED Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 31 minutes ago, pillred said: sorry, then that gives you another 9 years before becoming as disillusioned and cynical as me. I would love us to be an established premiership team in the next nine years but being a cynical, aren't we all, City fan I think there is more chance of us being in League 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketh2nd Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 I think with this squad we have this year we dont have the same agreesive game play, maybe LJ lacks confidence in his team. we do miss players ( we sold ) who can turn a game on it's head with a little magic. Maybe the team will improve as we get players back from injury but sadly last season was a really good chance to get a top 6 finish and it didnt work out. There is quite a bit of tinkering espcially with strike partnerships but at the moment the league is close , so I could think of worse times to tinker a little aslong as LJ sticks to a team soon. In the end it just goes back to where you want city to finish and are your hopes realistic? Our defence is organised our midfield although not that creative does it's job , I don't think we'll finish lower than say 14th but with some injury luck and scoring from all over team top 10 is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der no.2 Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 So tired of getting nowhere And seein' my prayers goin' unanswered I guess the Lord must be in New York City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Redsi2 said: 4 hours ago, longyears said: With LJ in charge that is us - will not challenge for promotion and will likely not flirt with relegation. I would be more than happy with middle of the road for a bit. Let's not make a song a dance about it eh? …. OK then let's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 44 minutes ago, CHIPLEY RED said: I would love us to be an established premiership team in the next nine years but being a cynical, aren't we all, City fan I think there is more chance of us being in League 2. and there in a nutshell is what supporting city is, hoping against hope that things will change wont they? and knowing in your heart of hearts they probably wont, if that sound defeatist then that is what 52 years of going to ashton gate and every season thinking this is going to be the year it changes, yes we have had our moments but what we all really want, well apart from those happy to be a mid table championship side and build slowly for a future that never seems to materialise is to finally be a team that lives up to representing the 6th or 7th largest city in the country and realises the potential we all know they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 4 hours ago, AppyDAZE said: Great album title for some obscure country rock band, I reckon. I was thinking more of this thread title being the same as my autobiography.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 9 hours ago, pillred said: agree, not showing any ambition so why should I, and have had a season ticket for 25 years, said exactly the same as I came out of the ground and with the trusty red button and more and more games on Friday Sunday god knows what kick of time unless by some fluke we gain promotion then that's my last season ticket for a while sorry. What do you actually mean by ‘ambition’? We have the best facilities we have ever had and our owner is just about to dip in and spend another 150m on a training ground and new facilties that will increase turnover, we are now slowly being able to bring championship players to the club and pay slightly better wages which need funding hence we need to sell our best players just like the majority of other teams, we are still not able to pay 40k a week to players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reformed_red Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 57 minutes ago, Badger08 said: Oh, shut up. Literally, do you expect us to be challenging every year? Winning trophy's? Not being funny, if that is your want and need, I'd suggest saving yourself a lot of stress and buy yourself a Manchester City shirt. Look at the league!!! Look at it. Sheff Utd - Bigger than us - Prem experience Leeds - Bigger - played in champions League Middlesbrough - Bigger - Prem experience Norwich - Bigger - Prem experience West Brom - Bigger - Prem last season Derby - Bigger Prem experience Nottm Forest - Bigger - Prem experience Swansea - Bigger - Resent Prem experience Birmingham - Bigger - been in the prem QPR - Bigger - Been in the Prem Blackburn - Bigger - won the prem Stoke - Bigger - Been in the prem Wigan - Bigger - Been in the prem and recent FA cup win Sheff Wed - Bigger - Been in the Prem Brentford - Same size, maybe smaller Aston Villa - Bigger - Huge Prem history Millwall - Same size Bolton - been in the Prem Preston - Same size Rotherham - Smaller Reading - Been in the Prem Hull - Been in the Prem Ipswich - Been in the Prem Now, you can argue the word bigger etc, but just look at the league! Top that off with our mid range wages, league history and geographical location and it doesn't take a genius to work out that we are punching. LJ is doing a fantastic job of making this club a stable championship team. That's what we need before kicking on. He's worked wonders doing that, competing against all the teams mention above. We are flirting with the playsoff too, staying above teams like Aston Villa and Stoke in the.process. GIVE THE GUY A ******* BREAK. In my eyes he's doing a fantastic job. Great post. Does amaze me that after a loss meltdown seems to ensue. “Going nowhere doing nothing” my arse, already seeing improvements from last year, a slow and steady building process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sglosbcfc Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Badger08 said: Oh, shut up. Literally, do you expect us to be challenging every year? Winning trophy's? Not being funny, if that is your want and need, I'd suggest saving yourself a lot of stress and buy yourself a Manchester City shirt. Look at the league!!! Look at it. Sheff Utd - Bigger than us - Prem experience Leeds - Bigger - played in champions League Middlesbrough - Bigger - Prem experience Norwich - Bigger - Prem experience West Brom - Bigger - Prem last season Derby - Bigger Prem experience Nottm Forest - Bigger - Prem experience Swansea - Bigger - Resent Prem experience Birmingham - Bigger - been in the prem QPR - Bigger - Been in the Prem Blackburn - Bigger - won the prem Stoke - Bigger - Been in the prem Wigan - Bigger - Been in the prem and recent FA cup win Sheff Wed - Bigger - Been in the Prem Brentford - Same size, maybe smaller Aston Villa - Bigger - Huge Prem history Millwall - Same size Bolton - been in the Prem Preston - Same size Rotherham - Smaller Reading - Been in the Prem Hull - Been in the Prem Ipswich - Been in the Prem Now, you can argue the word bigger etc, but just look at the league! Top that off with our mid range wages, league history and geographical location and it doesn't take a genius to work out that we are punching. LJ is doing a fantastic job of making this club a stable championship team. That's what we need before kicking on. He's worked wonders doing that, competing against all the teams mention above. We are flirting with the playsoff too, staying above teams like Aston Villa and Stoke in the.process. GIVE THE GUY A ******* BREAK. In my eyes he's doing a fantastic job. I think the point you make is a very valid one and I believe that Johnson is doing a great job and I'm really happy with the progress City have made in he past 5 years. However, I would challenge some of your rankings of clubs. For me City are bigger than Swansea, QPR, Wigan, Brentford and Preston. I accept QPR have a more successful history than us and if you go back over 100 years so do Preston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bs20ciderarmy Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 14 hours ago, longyears said: With LJ in charge that is us - will not challenge for promotion and will likely not flirt with relegation. If that is what SL and the club wants then fair enough. Just wonder how long people will buy a season ticket to be bored by mediocrity and no real reason to care whether we win or lose. Any opinions out there..............? You really are a pathetic man that’s my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 31 minutes ago, sglosbcfc said: I think the point you make is a very valid one and I believe that Johnson is doing a great job and I'm really happy with the progress City have made in he past 5 years. However, I would challenge some of your rankings of clubs. For me City are bigger than Swansea, QPR, Wigan, Brentford and Preston. I accept QPR have a more successful history than us and if you go back over 100 years so do Preston. Swansea only just came down from the prem after several seasons, once they get the wages sorted and ditch the high earners their parachute payments will see them right up there again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 1 hour ago, sglosbcfc said: I think the point you make is a very valid one and I believe that Johnson is doing a great job and I'm really happy with the progress City have made in he past 5 years. However, I would challenge some of your rankings of clubs. For me City are bigger than Swansea, QPR, Wigan, Brentford and Preston. I accept QPR have a more successful history than us and if you go back over 100 years so do Preston. Huddersfield, Palace, Brighton, Burnley, Bournemouth, Watford, Fulham, Cardiff, even Leics, Southampton; I can remember us playing these teams regularly, many in this division where are they now all in THE PREM, where are we, still here. Reason; poor selection of managers and lack of any real ambition to go for it and make progress. We are still where we were some 50yrs ago where`s the progress again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Badger08 said: Oh, shut up. Literally, do you expect us to be challenging every year? Winning trophy's? Not being funny, if that is your want and need, I'd suggest saving yourself a lot of stress and buy yourself a Manchester City shirt. Look at the league!!! Look at it. Sheff Utd - Bigger than us - Prem experience Leeds - Bigger - played in champions League Middlesbrough - Bigger - Prem experience Norwich - Bigger - Prem experience West Brom - Bigger - Prem last season Derby - Bigger Prem experience Nottm Forest - Bigger - Prem experience Swansea - Bigger - Resent Prem experience Birmingham - Bigger - been in the prem QPR - Bigger - Been in the Prem Blackburn - Bigger - won the prem Stoke - Bigger - Been in the prem Wigan - Bigger - Been in the prem and recent FA cup win Sheff Wed - Bigger - Been in the Prem Brentford - Same size, maybe smaller Aston Villa - Bigger - Huge Prem history Millwall - Same size Bolton - been in the Prem Preston - Same size Rotherham - Smaller Reading - Been in the Prem Hull - Been in the Prem Ipswich - Been in the Prem Now, you can argue the word bigger etc, but just look at the league! Top that off with our mid range wages, league history and geographical location and it doesn't take a genius to work out that we are punching. LJ is doing a fantastic job of making this club a stable championship team. That's what we need before kicking on. He's worked wonders doing that, competing against all the teams mention above. We are flirting with the playsoff too, staying above teams like Aston Villa and Stoke in the.process. GIVE THE GUY A ******* BREAK. In my eyes he's doing a fantastic job. Weren't Millwall also in the Prem at one time ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 26 minutes ago, Bri Stool City said: Huddersfield, Palace, Brighton, Burnley, Bournemouth, Watford, Fulham, Cardiff, even Leics, Southampton; I can remember us playing these teams regularly, many in this division where are they now all in THE PREM, where are we, still here. Reason; poor selection of managers and lack of any real ambition to go for it and make progress. We are still where we were some 50yrs ago where`s the progress again? We are finally being run as a professional football club, with a plan . The progress is that we are better prepared for the Championship and not struggling against relegation from this division each year. The progress is in the quality of the players signed by the club and that of the youngsters coming through the academy. How many of our not so recent academy players have gone on to achieve anything of note since leaving the club ? Now we have the likes of Reid and Bryan going to Prem clubs and Kelly captaining an England U20's side. Progress is in the revenue generated by the club to support our ambitions, the Prem is possible not just a ' the Gas will become a Championship side ' pipe dream. I could go on. No one at the club is sitting on their hands saying ' we're where we want to be ' the momentum is upwards. So maybe not progressing as fast as some would like but progress nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Badger08 said: Oh, shut up. Literally, do you expect us to be challenging every year? Winning trophy's? Not being funny, if that is your want and need, I'd suggest saving yourself a lot of stress and buy yourself a Manchester City shirt. Look at the league!!! Look at it. Sheff Utd - Bigger than us - Prem experience Leeds - Bigger - played in champions League Middlesbrough - Bigger - Prem experience Norwich - Bigger - Prem experience West Brom - Bigger - Prem last season Derby - Bigger Prem experience Nottm Forest - Bigger - Prem experience Swansea - Bigger - Resent Prem experience Birmingham - Bigger - been in the prem QPR - Bigger - Been in the Prem Blackburn - Bigger - won the prem Stoke - Bigger - Been in the prem Wigan - Bigger - Been in the prem and recent FA cup win Sheff Wed - Bigger - Been in the Prem Brentford - Same size, maybe smaller Aston Villa - Bigger - Huge Prem history Millwall - Same size Bolton - been in the Prem Preston - Same size Rotherham - Smaller Reading - Been in the Prem Hull - Been in the Prem Ipswich - Been in the Prem Now, you can argue the word bigger etc, but just look at the league! Top that off with our mid range wages, league history and geographical location and it doesn't take a genius to work out that we are punching. LJ is doing a fantastic job of making this club a stable championship team. That's what we need before kicking on. He's worked wonders doing that, competing against all the teams mention above. We are flirting with the playsoff too, staying above teams like Aston Villa and Stoke in the.process. GIVE THE GUY A ******* BREAK. In my eyes he's doing a fantastic job. This "been in the Prem" thing: I think this might describe our "mindset" first half yesterday. We saw, second half, that Stoke were very ordinary, and not to be fearful of, and that we wasted a great opportunity. I think team selection, tactical "set up" and how you prepare all week communicate a lot of unspoken messages to the team, communicate a lot about belief. I hope Lee is seeing the sports psychologist this week! I don't expect Sheff Utd have that mental approach at the moment. Lee is doing a good job, I would say (fantastic would be Wilder, at Sheff Utd), keeping us in the top half of this division. But some people have high expectations (not least the owner) and if they have their hearts set on promotion, then we need a head coach doing an exceptional job, not merely a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Badger08 said: Oh, shut up. Literally, do you expect us to be challenging every year? Winning trophy's? Not being funny, if that is your want and need, I'd suggest saving yourself a lot of stress and buy yourself a Manchester City shirt. Look at the league!!! Look at it. Sheff Utd - Bigger than us - Prem experience Leeds - Bigger - played in champions League Middlesbrough - Bigger - Prem experience Norwich - Bigger - Prem experience West Brom - Bigger - Prem last season Derby - Bigger Prem experience Nottm Forest - Bigger - Prem experience Swansea - Bigger - Resent Prem experience Birmingham - Bigger - been in the prem QPR - Bigger - Been in the Prem Blackburn - Bigger - won the prem Stoke - Bigger - Been in the prem Wigan - Bigger - Been in the prem and recent FA cup win Sheff Wed - Bigger - Been in the Prem Brentford - Same size, maybe smaller Aston Villa - Bigger - Huge Prem history Millwall - Same size Bolton - been in the Prem Preston - Same size Rotherham - Smaller Reading - Been in the Prem Hull - Been in the Prem Ipswich - Been in the Prem Now, you can argue the word bigger etc, but just look at the league! Top that off with our mid range wages, league history and geographical location and it doesn't take a genius to work out that we are punching. LJ is doing a fantastic job of making this club a stable championship team. That's what we need before kicking on. He's worked wonders doing that, competing against all the teams mention above. We are flirting with the playsoff too, staying above teams like Aston Villa and Stoke in the.process. GIVE THE GUY A ******* BREAK. In my eyes he's doing a fantastic job. I can also add that we've regularly played Portsmouth, Bradford City , Barnsley , Sunderland, Oldham, all ex Prem sides where are they now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 12 hours ago, pillred said: sorry, then that gives you another 9 years before becoming as disillusioned and cynical as me. Watching for 50 years, season ticket for 38 of those, and very happy with where we are and where we're going at the moment. I haven't seen many years of more consistent progress and if there being some evidence of a plan to bring players through the club than I am now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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