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On 28/10/2018 at 20:57, pillred said:

in theory it should be the ride of your life and a once in lifetime experience, nobody expects the worse to happen or none of us would ever get on  a plane go in a car or speedboat. these things happen unfortunately and when they do we all shudder inwardly and think there but for the grace of god go I. 

Helicopters are basically an 'unstable platform .......

Would never fly in one again unless absolutely necessary.

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24 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said:

Helicopters are basically an 'unstable platform .......

Would never fly in one again unless absolutely necessary.

part of me would love to go in one, but you're right there do seem to be a disproportionate amount of accidents in them, nearly all that turn out to be fatal for all concerned. 

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7 minutes ago, pillred said:

part of me would love to go in one, but you're right there do seem to be a disproportionate amount of accidents in them, nearly all that turn out to be fatal for all concerned. 

Statistically you’re in far more danger of death in your car on your way to work every day. 

It’s easy to overreact to horrendous incidents like this, and of course you can understand why it induces a different type of fear compared to popping into your car to go to Asda. 

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2 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Statistically you’re in far more danger of death in your car on your way to work every day. 

It’s easy to overreact to horrendous incidents like this, and of course you can understand why it induces a different type of fear compared to popping into your car to go to Asda. 

I was comparing it to say going in a plane, surprises me about the car statistic, know there is a chance of an accident but most people usually survive, it seems in a helicopter once something goes wrong it is nearly always fatal.

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1 minute ago, pillred said:

I was comparing it to say going in a plane, surprises me about the car statistic, know there is a chance of an accident but most people usually survive, it seems in a helicopter once something goes wrong it is nearly always fatal.

I think that’s the difference and why it induces that different type of fear. But it’s still an incredibly rare event - thankfully - in the context of the number of total hours flown that are without incident. 

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1 hour ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Statistically you’re in far more danger of death in your car on your way to work every day. 

It’s easy to overreact to horrendous incidents like this, and of course you can understand why it induces a different type of fear compared to popping into your car to go to Asda. 

Some of us don't stop driving when we GET to work remember.

That's when I start my day's driving.

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The Brits are known for dark humour as a way of coping with catastrophes but somehow this one doesn't seem to be one. So anyone making disrespectful comments or jokes is right out of order.

The crash will have a long lasting effect on Leicester City but let us hope that the resilience and determination of the owners family, the football club and it's supporters will pull them through.

 

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49 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

Some of us don't stop driving when we GET to work remember.

That's when I start my day's driving.

Indeed. I work in a dangerous industry and recently attended a safety conference. And although the speaker was quick to point out the potentially fatal dangers of the industry, he also closed with the point that the most dangerous thing anyone in the company does on company time is getting behind the wheel. 

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3 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Indeed. I work in a dangerous industry and recently attended a safety conference. And although the speaker was quick to point out the potentially fatal dangers of the industry, he also closed with the point that the most dangerous thing anyone in the company does on company time is getting behind the wheel. 

Yep,

We had a 'safe driving' roadshow come into our place as we have engineers on the road all day and it was a real eye opener. Very dangerous places are the roads in the UK nowadays. When I think back to the days pre sat-nav when I had an A to Z in one hand and a sandwich in the other, steering with my knee! :facepalm: Man, I was lucky. 

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10 hours ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said:

Is there really a video out there?

As someone who has a licence to fly helicopter, all I would add is that don't think that just because it is spinning around that the pilot is not in control of the direction he is going.

He has correctly been hailed as a hero as he has clearly stopped this disaster from being any worse than it was

How fast it was spinning and how quickly it went down, I very much doubt he would have his bearings to know where exactly anything was on the ground.

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10 hours ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said:

Is there really a video out there?

As someone who has a licence to fly helicopter, all I would add is that don't think that just because it is spinning around that the pilot is not in control of the direction he is going.

He has correctly been hailed as a hero as he has clearly stopped this disaster from being any worse than it was

I'm not quite sure where this theory that the pilot steered the helicopter away from crowds has come from. No one knows what inputs he was making on the controls yet - other than perhaps those working on the confidential investigation - and what difference those inputs were able to make. If you watch the video, the helicopter is dropping like a stone and there is zero indication that he had any control at all - certainly not enough to dictate with any meaningful accuracy where it was going to land.

I suspect this theory is a well-meaning attempt to give the pilot a heroic legacy - though to be absolutely clear, I'm not suggesting he was to blame in any way.

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33 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

I'm not quite sure where this theory that the pilot steered the helicopter away from crowds has come from. No one knows what inputs he was making on the controls yet - other than perhaps those working on the confidential investigation - and what difference those inputs were able to make. If you watch the video, the helicopter is dropping like a stone and there is zero indication that he had any control at all - certainly not enough to dictate with any meaningful accuracy where it was going to land.

I suspect this theory is a well-meaning attempt to give the pilot a heroic legacy - though to be absolutely clear, I'm not suggesting he was to blame in any way.

I think initially it came from one or more of his peers and friends who was commenting shortly after he was named, I heard one interview from someone who knew both pilots very well and they said that they were highly skilled and would have done everything they could to get under control and then minimise the consequences, that doesn’t mean that the pilots actions had much effect, just that there couldn’t have been anyone more skilled at the controls.  Looks like typically, the media have embellished the story to fill some column inches.

It looks like a catastrophic mechanical failure of one of the rotor drives or gearboxes, but that’s just an educated assumption, we won’t know until the AAIB make their report what actually caused it.

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10 minutes ago, Neo said:

If people need or want to consider the pilot a hero then that is what he was. Why not leave that debate to the experts and focus on what matters - a fellow football club coming to terms with a tragic incident.

#justsaying

This.

Likewise I have no real interest in watching footage of the crash, what happened was tragic. 

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As a qualfied pilot I have just watched the footage.  I couldn't bear to look until now, because I knew it would make me feel sick.

I can assure you all that the pilot had zero control of that aircraft from the moment the tail rotor failed.

The investigation will conclude just that, without a doubt.

My condolences go to all involved and their families.

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I have seen different videos of this sad tragedy and my condolences go to those who are effective by this.

what I found watching the videos just before the helicopter goes out of control, there is something shoots very fast either from or to the helicopter. You can see it on all the videos and then there are other things surrounding the area of the helicopter.

It may require a specialist to obtain a closer investigation.

interesting to read others views.

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4 hours ago, Richwilkins50 said:

Whoever sent the footage to that piece of scum paper is scum themselves, I'm sure the sun would have paid them a fee for that footage and that doesn't sit comfortably with me.

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2 hours ago, Up The City! said:

Whoever sent the footage to that piece of scum paper is scum themselves, I'm sure the sun would have paid them a fee for that footage and that doesn't sit comfortably with me.

Under the footage it’s says this:

The clip was leaked on social media.

The Sun handed it to accident investigators.

Crucially, it captures the section of the flight not covered by CCTV and BT Sport cameras, which had previously emerged.
 
 
The person who shot it would be very easily identifiable from what I saw anyway. Very shocking to see but it must be a help to the crash investigators. I haven’t heard that they have grounded other similar helicopters though which they often do if mechanical fault is possible? 
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8 hours ago, Up The City! said:

Whoever sent the footage to that piece of scum paper is scum themselves, I'm sure the sun would have paid them a fee for that footage and that doesn't sit comfortably with me.

These sort of things end up on liveleak and the papers/media take them from there a lot of time.  There is no end of grim stuff on LL 

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8 hours ago, Up The City! said:

Whoever sent the footage to that piece of scum paper is scum themselves, I'm sure the sun would have paid them a fee for that footage and that doesn't sit comfortably with me.

Couldn’t agree more and I’ve personally reported every news outlet that’s shared it.

It adds nothing to the narrative of the story and isn’t responsible journalism.

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8 hours ago, Up The City! said:

Whoever sent the footage to that piece of scum paper is scum themselves, I'm sure the sun would have paid them a fee for that footage and that doesn't sit comfortably with me.

 

5 hours ago, RedM said:

Under the footage it’s says this:

The clip was leaked on social media.

The Sun handed it to accident investigators.

Crucially, it captures the section of the flight not covered by CCTV and BT Sport cameras, which had previously emerged.
 
 
The person who shot it would be very easily identifiable from what I saw anyway. Very shocking to see but it must be a help to the crash investigators. I haven’t heard that they have grounded other similar helicopters though which they often do if mechanical fault is possible? 

As morbid as it may seem, sometimes footage like this can provide answers to missing links in the enquiry

Am sure the Sun just saw the footage and bought the rights to it so that they can slap their name over the footage

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54 minutes ago, phantom said:

 

As morbid as it may seem, sometimes footage like this can provide answers to missing links in the enquiry

Am sure the Sun just saw the footage and bought the rights to it so that they can slap their name over the footage

I think so too.  As you say at least there is footage, doesn’t help the people involved only to clear the pilot etc of any wrong doing, might save lives in the future though somehow. 

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4 hours ago, phantom said:

 

As morbid as it may seem, sometimes footage like this can provide answers to missing links in the enquiry

Am sure the Sun just saw the footage and bought the rights to it so that they can slap their name over the footage

I think it's great that there is footage, but it should have only been shared with the investigation team.

This is what I am comfortable with, the sun paying money for the rights and someone profiting out of this horrible tragedy.

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13 minutes ago, Up The City! said:

I think it's great that there is footage, but it should have only been shared with the investigation team.

This is what I am comfortable with, the sun paying money for the rights and someone profiting out of this horrible tragedy.

I would hope that when the club find out who it was, they might suggest that any fees paid may go towards a memorial or local charity

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