DC10 Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 Unfortunately (or fortunately as it turned out) I couldn’t make it yesterday but looking at the highlights it looks a lot like the Preston goal was offside?? Poor officiating compounding a poor performance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen humphries Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 minute ago, DC10 said: Unfortunately (or fortunately as it turned out) I couldn’t make it yesterday but looking at the highlights it looks a lot like the Preston goal was offside?? Poor officiating compounding a poor performance... The ball was played backwards slightly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 I thought this at the time and when i saw it on TV. Deserved to lose, but defo offside for the goal. EDIT My mistake. Ball goes back, as pointed out above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lager loud Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 According to the FA website setting out the laws, the test is not whether the ball travels backwards (that isn't mentioned) but whether, at the moment it is played, any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent So unless there's another defender out of shot (and having watched the game live and the replay on TV I don't think there was) I think he's offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen humphries Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 Can’t be offside if the balls played back , simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashtonwurzel Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 I was sat right in line and it was not offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, glen humphries said: Can’t be offside if the balls played back , simple In Rugby maybe. In football, the player receiving the pass needs to be behind the second last opponent or his teammate passing the ball. I think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen humphries Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 minute ago, cidercity1987 said: In Rugby maybe. In football, the player receiving the pass needs to be behind the second last opponent or his teammate passing the ball. I think? Think it’s simple mate if the balls played backwards you can’t be offside, I think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 3 hours ago, glen humphries said: Think it’s simple mate if the balls played backwards you can’t be offside, I think? Usually when the ball is played backwards, the player is behind the passer as well, so onside , but in this case the ball was played back to a player who was in front of the passer, who then scooped it in. I really don't know the answer to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said: Usually when the ball is played backwards, the player is behind the passer as well, so onside , but in this case the ball was played back to a player who was in front of the passer, who then scooped it in. I really don't know the answer to that. No player is offside if the ball goes backwards. End of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 3 hours ago, cidercity1987 said: In Rugby maybe. In football, the player receiving the pass needs to be behind the second last opponent or his teammate passing the ball. I think? You think wrong. Ball goes backwards, anyone can play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 Looks offside to me based on that image, but I stand to be corrected if there’s a law about the ball going backwards. I also wonder why none of our players are anywhere near Robinson, who seems to have been given the freedom of our six yard box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 3 hours ago, glen humphries said: Can’t be offside if the balls played back , simple The direction of the ball does not matter at all in offside decisions and never has. What you're stating is an over simplification of the actual rule and it isn't accurate. You're in an offside position or not based on where the furthest forward part of your body that can play the ball is. It's perfectly possible for example for an attacker to be standing side on to goal, have their one foot making them offside, and receive a pass that was played level or backwards with their other foot. This should be given as offside. When the ball was played, Robinson was marginally offside, and even though it was played square it should have been given as offside. It was tight and would be easy to judge the line wrong even if the ref had the rules right (I'm sure they would). We deserved nothing from the game so no point complaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Offside said: Looks offside to me based on that image, but I stand to be corrected if there’s a law about the ball going backwards. I also wonder why none of our players are anywhere near Robinson, who seems to have been given the freedom of our six yard box. Well quite- forget offside debate, believe it was a soft goal to concede, remember thinking so at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 32 minutes ago, Nibor said: The direction of the ball does not matter at all in offside decisions and never has. What you're stating is an over simplification of the actual rule and it isn't accurate. You're in an offside position or not based on where the furthest forward part of your body that can play the ball is. It's perfectly possible for example for an attacker to be standing side on to goal, have their one foot making them offside, and receive a pass that was played level or backwards with their other foot. This should be given as offside. When the ball was played, Robinson was marginally offside, and even though it was played square it should have been given as offside. It was tight and would be easy to judge the line wrong even if the ref had the rules right (I'm sure they would). We deserved nothing from the game so no point complaining. You are wrong. You can’t be offside if the ball isn’t played forwards. Simple. For instance, hypothetically... 2 attackers break from half way, ahead of all defenders, one with the call gets to the byline and pulls it back to the other, who’s “in an offside position” is NOT offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 Depressing thread! Luckily I never had to consult OTIB during a cup tie on the off side law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 Hunt should have gone with him - just shocking defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 If the player receiving the ball at the time it is passed is ahead of the last defender and the player playing the ball, it doesn't matter what direction the ball is passed, the receiving player is offside. And as can be seen Robinson is beyond the last defender and the player making the pass at the time the ball is kicked, so he's offside. That said, there wasn't a defender within 5 yards of him, and on that performance, we deserved to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 The ball goes slightly forward, but it would have been papering over cracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SedRA Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 6 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: You are wrong. You can’t be offside if the ball isn’t played forwards. Simple. For instance, hypothetically... 2 attackers break from half way, ahead of all defenders, one with the call gets to the byline and pulls it back to the other, who’s “in an offside position” is NOT offside. In that scenario wouldn’t that be because the scoring attcaker is behind the attacker playing the ball though. Different than the scoring attacker being ahead of the ball and passing player but the pass going backwards that he then scoops in. Although as shown in the pic above it looks like the ball goes forwards anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 7 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: You are wrong. You can’t be offside if the ball isn’t played forwards. Simple. For instance, hypothetically... 2 attackers break from half way, ahead of all defenders, one with the call gets to the byline and pulls it back to the other, who’s “in an offside position” is NOT offside. Read the rules. It's always about your position not the ball's direction of travel. In your scenario the second attacker is not in an offside position because they did not have a part of their body with which they could legally play the ball ahead of the ball when it was played not because it went backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, Nibor said: Read the rules. It's always about your position not the ball's direction of travel. In your scenario the second attacker is not in an offside position because they did not have a part of their body with which they could legally play the ball ahead of the ball when it was played not because it went backwards. They didn’t have 2 defensive players between themselves and the goal line. (Usually the GK & a defender, but not exclusively) but if the ball goes backwards, not forwards, then it’s not offside. Nothing to do with Preston’s goal, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: They didn’t have 2 defensive players between themselves and the goal line. (Usually the GK & a defender, but not exclusively) but if the ball goes backwards, not forwards, then it’s not offside. This is plain wrong and again you should read the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 26 minutes ago, Nibor said: This is plain wrong and again you should read the rules. Are you telling me that you can be offside if the ball goes backwards, or are you being pedantic about how the rule is worded in the FA Laws..? I’m using example scenarios, not quoting the written word of the laws of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: Are you telling me that you can be offside if the ball goes backwards, or are you being pedantic about how the rule is worded in the FA Laws..? I’m using example scenarios, not quoting the written word of the laws of the game. Yes you will be offside if the ball is played backwards but you are ahead of the ball when its played. Its your position that is relevant not the direction of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Yes you will be offside if the ball is played backwards but you are ahead of the ball when its played. Its your position that is relevant not the direction of the ball. True. My scenario was both players being ahead of the last defender though. Not running back from being ahead of the ball after it’s played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 8 hours ago, REDOXO said: Depressing thread! Luckily I never had to consult OTIB during a cup tie on the off side law. It gets better. Guy behind me constantly shouts for offside when an opposing striker is stood goal side of our defence from goal kicks! poor chap calls me everything under the sun when i try to tell him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 Offside rule: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/rules_and_equipment/4993924.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucky Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 And I thought the "no one understands the off side rule" was just a tongue in cheek thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 if a ball goes backwards and a player who was in an offside position retrieves it, then he will be given offside for coming back from an offside position, same scenario as this goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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