Fans Forum

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 hour ago, Ivorguy said:

Thanks to all who attended and have reported back to us exiles.

The comments fully reflect my views about where LJ's faults lie, and go some way to explaining the highs and lows of his teams 

I fear this particular dog won't be learning new tricks any time soon.  He appears to be somewhat over confident in himself - is arrogance too strong a word to use?

Rather depressing in my opinion

In fairness though, all managers will back themselves- skin of a rhino- I would argue that level of belief is necessary. All will back themselves to succeed until the bitter end- resign or similar because they think they've failed or have taken it as far as they can? Nope- all will back themselves to the hilt and until they are sacked, move to another club, retire, leave for personal reasons, quit because the club is a basketcase or have health problems and have to leave temporarily or otherwise, then you're stuck with them basically for better or worse. How many managers resign these days based purely on results? 

However the lack of learning and signs of it (amongst other things) is a problem.

[aa_bcfc]

14 minutes ago, Robin1988 said:

Doesn’t he? You go into your job on a Monday, safe in the knowledge City losing is disappointing but not your fault. If you knew it was your personal responsibility I imagine it would “hurt” a lot more. Not an argument I imagine LJ wants to pick with a fan, but we are precious.

It is very funny how whenever someone doesn’t do a Fans’ Forum or an interview, they are hiding... but if they front up, everyone is suddenly busy.

I was at the fans forum and am certainly not a fan of LJ. However Lee and the other club representatives come over extremely well and I thought gave honest answers to the questions posed. LJ hung around for about an hour after the formal proceedings and was very open in his comments. I didn’t always agree with what he said but fair play to him for his opinions and openness. 

For me a couple of hours very well spent. 

[WhistleHappy]

3 hours ago, RedM said:

 It’s a shame about the attendance. But I was in London, taking the chance during International break that there would be no football, and then this is arranged. I would have liked to have attended, and I expect others were committed elsewhere too. For some fans who live 20 or 30 miles away or more it’s not easy either, perhaps worth the time and effort for a match but not otherwise. But my part it wasn’t lack of interest, just couldn’t be in two places at once.

Can you feed this back please @Matt Parsons BCFCSLO, I don’t mean about me personally, but I’m sure it isn’t lack of interest. Perhaps lack of faith anything will happen because of these meetings, but that’s down to the club to act on feedback. If people see ideas are being taken into consideration by the club they are more likely to interact? And on the other hand if the club explain why things are so and can’t happen people will listen I’m sure.   

I wonder if Live Fan Forum Podcast/Webcast's (whatever they're called, like we had from the Council House chambers planning committee debates a few years ago around planned development of Ashton Gate/ Vale),  would be a good idea worth considering?  

I think it would, fans who cant for one reason or another attend would have first hand 'fly on the wall' insight of proceedings, maybe even a few 'live questions from the web' could be taken if members of the panel wished to address them?.  

Also, an hour usually seems to fly by when discussing issues of interest I wonder if those who attended felt the hour allocated for the formal part of this event was long enough despite the low attendance?, Would an hour be enough in future if events were better attended & should perhaps there be more of these events arranged during the season?  …

Main question though, should these events be 'live Pod/Webcasted ?   

[RedM]

23 minutes ago, WhistleHappy said:

I wonder if Live Fan Forum Podcast/Webcast's (whatever they're called, like we had from the Council House chambers planning committee debates a few years ago around planned development of Ashton Gate/ Vale),  would be a good idea worth considering?  

I think it would, fans who cant for one reason or another attend would have first hand 'fly on the wall' insight of proceedings, maybe even a few 'live questions from the web' could be taken if members of the panel wished to address them?.  

Also, an hour usually seems to fly by when discussing issues of interest I wonder if those who attended felt the hour allocated for the formal part of this event was long enough despite the low attendance?, Would an hour be enough in future if events were better attended & should perhaps there be more of these events arranged during the season?  …

Main question though, should these events be 'live Pod/Webcasted ?   

Yes that’s something I meant to ask/suggest too but forgot to add it. I can’t see why it wouldn’t be possible in this technological age, it doesn’t have to be too slick and polished most mobile phones are capiable but of course the club’s media department are well equipped.

You could have people texting / emailing, or whatever social media platform is preferred, questions and responses in real time to what has been said. Just needs someone with a bit of presentation skill, Dave Lloyd perhaps to host and someone to vet the questions a bit (to weed out obvious abuse and duplicate questions) but who is not afraid to push a bit, actually Geoff 20Man would be good. 

Any thoughts on this please?  @Matt Parsons BCFCSLOOr could it be something the SC&T could host for all fans?

[Olé]

15 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

I don’t think I’m breaking any confidence that he sees the biggest blow from last season was losing Bobby Reid

He explained Reid’s value to the side and system both during aNd  particularly when we were chatting afterwards

I can tell you that Reid went past / beat defenders 4/5 times per game more than AW/FD/JP are combined

He talked about his ability in the press which is something most of us have discussed on numerous occasions

I thought all the points he made about Reid were spot on Tbf

I've said it myself in the poor performances this season when all our forward play has looked totally disjointed and flawed, and I said it before that in the summer when people were debating which of our three departures we'd miss the most: we miss Bobby lightyears more than any other player I can think we've lost in the last decade. 

His contribution last season not just in goals but what he brought to how LJ wants the team to play football from the front, was essential and virtually irreplaceable. I know it's fashionable because he went to Cardiff, did the ayatollah, and hasn't done well this season, to rubbish the bloke, but I can't look beyond what an asset he was.

Incidentally, that doesn't mean it's okay to simply say he can't be replaced. You could always try changing the tactics.

[nebristolred]

39 minutes ago, RedM said:

Yes that’s something I meant to ask/suggest too but forgot to add it. I can’t see why it wouldn’t be possible in this technological age, it doesn’t have to be too slick and polished most mobile phones are capiable but of course the club’s media department are well equipped.

You could have people texting / emailing, or whatever social media platform is preferred, questions and responses in real time to what has been said. Just needs someone with a bit of presentation skill, Dave Lloyd perhaps to host and someone to vet the questions a bit (to weed out obvious abuse and duplicate questions) but who is not afraid to push a bit, actually Geoff 20Man would be good. 

Any thoughts on this please?  @Matt Parsons BCFCSLOOr could it be something the SC&T could host for all fans?

It's a good idea but imagine if this was recorded or live streamed, probably 50% of the good bits that we heard wouldn't end up being said.

I think it's quite a good format, it allows a bit of information to be released and still go 'under the radar' even in this age. I just wish they'd shout about it a bit more in advance. 4-5 days or even a week isn't really enough for a lot of people. If I knew a few weeks or a month in advance I'd be far more likely to arrange plans around it.

[BRISTOL86]

3 hours ago, Robin1988 said:

Doesn’t he? You go into your job on a Monday, safe in the knowledge City losing is disappointing but not your fault. If you knew it was your personal responsibility I imagine it would “hurt” a lot more. Not an argument I imagine LJ wants to pick with a fan, but we are precious.

It is very funny how whenever someone doesn’t do a Fans’ Forum or an interview, they are hiding... but if they front up, everyone is suddenly busy.

A very good point. Presumably those who have time to hang bedsheets over motorway bridges or get on Twitter/here calling him a dwarf etc were all too busy to show up and say in person what’s so easy to say behind a keyboard? 

Thanks @BobBobSuperBob a helpful summary of what happened. Hopefully the club can learn from the feedback of this one to make the next one better attended. 

[Beezey]

16 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

He did make a bizarre claim at one point that

Thirty.....

yes 

thirty

30

Manchester United Scouts watched Lloyd Kelly at one game .....

As apparently United And Man City And someone else who I forget are using Lloyd as a case study

The case study thing is true, I won’t go into to much but a mate who coaches for West Brom was telling me that Lloyd is someone that has been used as a case study to do with physical growth. The case study revolves around how he was the best football in his age group over a number of years and then he had a massive growth spurt and his game went downhill to such an extent that he could have been let go. City stuck with him believing that his game needed to catch up with the growth spurt he’d been through and luckily he came through. 

I think other coaches in the game are looking at Lloyd’s example as almost a blue print of how to deal with players who go through such a sudden and dramatic growth spurt as certainly in the past teams have let players go thinking that they had peaked when actually a change in coaching etc could have been beneficial. I assume that’s the case study he’s referring to. 

[RedM]

48 minutes ago, nebristolred said:

It's a good idea but imagine if this was recorded or live streamed, probably 50% of the good bits that we heard wouldn't end up being said.

I think it's quite a good format, it allows a bit of information to be released and still go 'under the radar' even in this age. I just wish they'd shout about it a bit more in advance. 4-5 days or even a week isn't really enough for a lot of people. If I knew a few weeks or a month in advance I'd be far more likely to arrange plans around it.

Good point. That would be the danger yes I agree, the media team would have such rehearsed answers it would only be lip service. The informal nature of this is great, but it is a shame it can’t be attended by more or at least heard by those not able to attend. 

[bristolcitysweden]

They are passive, old fashioned and a sitting duck. The Supporters Club and Trust should take their responsibility.

[bristolcitysweden]

Help them out of their misery

[Davefevs]

12 hours ago, Badger08 said:

Re the crest. I swear I overheard "concorde". 

Sort of makes sense 

 

Not Concorde, but a plane and suspension bridge.

[Alan Dicks' Barmy Army]

3 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said:

A very good point. Presumably those who have time to hang bedsheets over motorway bridges or get on Twitter/here calling him a dwarf etc were all too busy to show up and say in person what’s so easy to say behind a keyboard? 

 @BobBobSuperBob

Why do some posters constantly point score off of fellow supporters? 

Last night clearly wasn't the time or place for demonstrations

I would ask if you, or those who wear those rose tinted specs, gave some man love to Lee last night? 

What has the plane below got to do with Bristol? 

6 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Not Concorde, but a plane and suspension bridge

[bristolcitysweden]

Our problem is the boring football. Not that they know anything about football so sit still in the boat and keep your mouth shut. We are happy with the crest BUT WE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH TIRED, LAZY, GUTLESS NO EFFORT BORING FOOTBALL

[bristolcitysweden]

Is tempo shifting in the Bristol City vocabulary?

[Wrongagain]

9 hours ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said:

They are club staff, not scouts.

No not these guys, they were all older than playing age, never seen this before since Lansdown opened and no hint of a West Country accent and no club badges at all, don’t know where the youth players were moved to

w14 row 9

[BRISTOL86]

21 minutes ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said:

Why do some posters constantly point score off of fellow supporters? 

Last night clearly wasn't the time or place for demonstrations

I would ask if you, or those who wear those rose tinted specs, gave some man love to Lee last night? 

Nothing to do with point scoring. Simply an observation that it's a lot easier to give it the big 'un from behind the safety of a computer screen but I presume none of the vitriol you see on social media etc. actually materialised in the face-to-face environment. 

[Major Isewater]

22 minutes ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said:

Why do some posters constantly point score off of fellow supporters? 

Last night clearly wasn't the time or place for demonstrations

I would ask if you, or those who wear those rose tinted specs, gave some man love to Lee last night? 

What has the plane below got to do with Bristol? 

Have you not heard of the Bristol Aircraft Company ?

BRISTOL BUILT

As an early cradle of UK aviation, aircraft production began at Filton in 1910 with Sir George White’s British & Colonial (later, Bristol) Aeroplane Company. Over one hundred years of succession, mergers and takeovers has seen the creation of the British Aircraft Corporation, Bristol Siddeley and British Aerospace, through to the well-known industry names of today such as BAE Systems, Rolls-Royce and Airbus.  From the earliest advances in flight to some of the world’s most successful aero engines, and the birth of supersonic flight to the latest innovations in composite materials, the region’s companies are still at the forefront of the world’s aerospace industry.  

AIRCRAFT

Aeroplane production began on the Filton site in 1910, less than two years after the first recorded flight of a powered aeroplane in British skies. The British and Colonial Aeroplane Company was the brainchild of Sir George White, entrepeneur and pioneer in electric trams. Two sheds were acquired at the top of Filton Hill, which became the first aeroplane factory in Britain to be run on a commercial footing.

Bristol Boxkite Biplane

BOXKITE BIPLANE

Within the first few months, the Boxkite biplane became a major success for the company. It steadily expanded over the next few years, and a large airfield was built to the north in the early years of the First World War. Its most famous product at this time was the Bristol Fighter biplane, arguably the 'Spitfire' of its day. British and Colonial was renamed the Bristol Aeroplane Company in 1920, and the factory continued to design and build a diverse range of aircraft during the interwar period, most notably the Bulldog fighter in 1927.

BRISTOL BLENHEIM

The multi-role Bristol Blenheim of 1936 was a tremendous leap forward in aircraft technology, and became the backbone of the Royal Air Force early in the Second World War.

Bristol Type 156 Beaufighter

The factory at Filton was the largest in Europe, and several shadow factories were set up around the country to support it. The Blenheim spawned several derivatives - the Beaufort bomber, the Beaufighter, the Buckingham, the Buckmaster and the Brigand.

Bristol 25 Braemar Mk II 

Early aircraft were predominantly designed with military activities in mind. After the First World War though, the company dabled in civil conversions of existing models, including the Tourer, a Bristol Fighter that could carry one or two passengers, and the massive Pullman, a conversion of the Braemar triplane bomber that could carry 14 passengers in relative luxury. It wasn't until the end of the Second World War that the focus switched to civil transport aircraft.

Bristol 167 Brabazon Mk1 aircraft

The first new British aircraft after the war was a Bristol product - the Freighter. This rugged aircraft saw the company move towards commercial aircraft. The huge Brabazon airliner of 1949 was another quantum leap in technology, and provided invaluable knowlege that later went into the Britannia airliner. The stretched Britannia ultimately became a worldwide success, especially in the emerging holiday charter market of the 1960's.

BRITISH AIRCRAFT CORPORATION

In 1959, the company became a constituent of the British Aircraft Corporation pool of companies, which became a company in its own right in 1963. By this time, plans for a supersonic airliner were well underway. Development began at Filton and Toulouse on the jointly designed and built BAC/Aerospatiale Concorde. 

Bristol Type 188

This was aided by two research types from Bristol, the Type 188 and Type 221 high-speed aircraft. Concorde made its first flight in 1969, and ten years later the last Concorde flew out. In nearly 70 years, over 22,000 aircraft were designed and built by Bristol in the UK or licenced for production abroad.

HELICOPTERS

The Bristol Aeroplane Company moved into helicopters towards the end of the Second World War, when Austrian-born Raoul Hafner joined the company. His pioneering research into helicopters led to the Bristol Sycamore, the first British-designed helicopter. The prototype Sycamore first flew in 1947, and was used by many military forces around the world for search and rescue, VIP transport and communications. 180 were built at Filton and Weston-super-Mare.

Bristol 171 Sycamore, Royal Australian Navy

The Bristol 173 was the world's first tandem-rotor twin-engine helicopter. Both rotors could be powered from the one engine if the other failed in flight. The production version was the known as the Belvedere, a troop carrier for the Royal Air Force, and was still in production when helicopter production was taken over by Westlands in 1960.

Bristol 173

AERO ENGINES

In 1920, the same year that British & Colonial became the Bristol Aeroplane Company, the factory took over the aero-engine department of Cosmos Engineering of Fishponds. This company had built Rolls-Royce engines during the first world war, and then developed their own radial piston engines - the Mercury, Jupiter and Lucifer. When Cosmos went into administration, BAC moved the design team to Filton. Led by Roy Fedden, the team went on to produce some of the most reliable radial aero-engines in the world.

Bristol Lucifer, installed in an LFG V44 "D-669"

The aero-engine department provided the main source of income and employment for the Bristol Aeroplane Company during the lean inter-war years. In the Second World War many British aircraft were powered by Bristol radial engines - the Mercury, the Pegasus, the Hercules and the Centaurus.

The company moved into turboprops and turbojets after the war, perhaps the most famous being the Olympus, which powered the Avro Vulcan and Concorde.

In 1958, the engine division merged with Armstrong-Siddeley to form Bristol-Siddeley, and subsequently merged with Rolls-Royce in 1966, retaining the Rolls-Royce name. The factory at Patchway is still operational today, focussing on military engines, like the EJ200 for the Eurofigher Typhoon, and marine engines.

GUIDED WEAPONS

In 1949 the Bristol Aeroplane Company, responding to the Ministry of Supply, set up a Guided Weapons department to study the design and development guided weapons.

Teamed with Ferranti, the result was Bloodhound 1, which went into service with the RAF in 1958, followed by the much improved Bloodhound 2 in 1963. Export orders were won from within Europe and also Australia.

The Rapier anti-aircraft defence system has been the UK's main air defence weapon for many years, and the ground equipment was developed and produced at Filton, including one of the first UK production lines of digital computers in the UK. A tracked version of Rapier was also developed at Filton.

Rapier surface-to-air anti-aircraft missile system launcher.

Filton was the centre for development of naval weapons, such as Seawolf, Vertical Launch Seawolf, Sea Eagle, Sea Dart and Ikara. From 1964 the Guided Weapons division provided engineering support to Polaris, and later provided project management and engineering expertise to Chevaline, a British development of Polaris.

Many other major systems and products have been developed and supplied to customers; covering communications, aircraft terrain following radar, Skylark, remotely piloted vehicles, and Consub (a remotely controlled submersible). Guided Weapons designed Concorde's Air Intake Control System (on production aircraft), the prototype flight test instrumentation and a Master Warning System for the UK prototype and production Concorde.

SPACE

Space projects started in the Guided Weapons department of the Bristol Aeroplane Company in the early 1960's with Skylark, the high altitude sounding rocket, and the Anglo-American UK1 and UK2 university science satellites. In 1968 work began at Bristol on the design and manufacture of the structure for the UK's Black Arrow technology satellite X3, which was launched as Prospero in 1971. It was and still is the only all UK satellite and launch vehicle combination.

Also in 1968 a prime contract was won by BAC Bristol from the Science Research Council for UK4. This was the first time that an industrial company had been awarded a spacecraft Prime Contract in the UK. In 1971 the Filton-built UK4 (also known as Ariel 4) spacecraft was successfully launched on the US West Coast.

A 1986 German Stamp celebrating GIOTTO's Halley's Comet flyby

Intelsat IV F-4 (one of the Hughes family of communication satellites) was built and erected in Bristol on behalf of the Comsat Corporation of the USA. It was the first to be launched into synchronous orbit over the Pacific Ocean - sending back live TV pictures of President Nixon's visit to China in February 1972. Intelsat contracts led to dedicated Space buildings at Filton and to the construction of six complete satellites plus subsystems for eight more between 1971 and 1978.

Prime contracts from ESRO resulted in the scientific satellites GEOS and GIOTTO. GIOTTO intercepted Halley's Comet during the night of 14th March 1986, and survived. Four years later it was steered to within 200km of Comet Grigg-Skjellerup. Other major contracts were for two sets of solar array panels for the Hubble space telescope.

The final major contract for Filton Space, before closure, was for Envisat, the Earth resources satellite.

CARS

The Filton site has had a long association with road transport, from the earlier family businesses in electric trams, taxis and buses, to the car and bus body building in the early 1920s.

At the end of the Second World War, the Bristol Aeroplane Company took over Fraser Nash, and set up a car department in the factory. The first production car, the Bristol 400, was based on pre-war BMW designs, but with much higher performance, thanks the the manufacturing techniques of the aviation industry. From this followed the streamline 401 and the convertible 402. The company become world famous for the quality of their luxury cars.

Bristol also developed a series of racing cars, the most famous being the Bristol 450, which took first, second and third in the both 1954 and 1955 Le Mans 24-hour races. Tragically 94 spectators were killed when a Mercedes-Benz crashed during the 1955 race, and the Bristol team donated their prize money to the disaster fund. Later that year the racing department was closed down.

Following the consolidation of the aircraft companies in 1959/60, the Bristol Car Division became an independent company in 1960. Shortly after, with the introduction of the 407, Chrysler V8 engines were used instead of Bristol engines.

In 1980 the company switched from numbered types to names, based on earlier Bristol aircraft. First was the Beaufighter, followed by the Britannia, Brigand, Blenheim and finally the two seat V10-powered Fighter sports car. The company went into administration in 2011, but was rescued by Frazer-Nash Group, and is currently developing a new car.

DIVERSIFICATION

During lean times, the aircraft factory moved into other areas to provide employment and keep the business going. After the First World War, coach and car bodies were built at Filton. After World War Two, when the requirement for military aircraft diminished, but aluminium was abundant, the company made 'AIROH' pre-fabricated houses and schools, many of which were exported around the world in kit form.

Bristol Aeroplane Plastics Limited was responsible for manufacturing various substances to be used in many items. One such substance was Glassfibre Reinforced Plastic (GRP), otherwise known as Fibreglass, which was produced for several uses. The Plastics Division at Filton produced many different products, including car body shells. This industry has continued in Bristol by GKN, one of the world's leading companies in carbon fibre technology today.

[SimonL]

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[Davefevs]

@Major Isewater is that in any of the photos? 

1 minute ago, SimonL said:

Careful we will end up the BRISTOL Flyers at this rate! 

With the direct football, perhaps we should sign a few players!

[BS4 on Tour...]

22 hours ago, Harry said:

I didn’t go but have some very brief minutes from someone who did :

- Lots of signings haven’t quite been what they expected. 

- Squad was tired after cup run. Hadn’t planned to make any signings in the January but had to rethink cuz of the tiredness. 

- LJ did a lot of ‘looking’ at Ashton when saying about having to sell Flint, Bryan & Reid. 

- Diedhiou was signed to play with Reid - felt they complimented each other and gave us a plan. With Reid sold they were looking for someone to fill that role but didn’t want to pay loads as they hope someone from academy will soon be able to step up. 

- Kelly is amazing and has interest from Man Utd (to which someone shouted - bloody play him then). 

- New training ground starting soon. 

- Jon Lansdown says the current badge doesn’t scream Bristol City. And neither does the Robin as other clubs have that. 

- Happy with academy and hopes to have at least 6 Bristolians in the first team in a few years. 

- There was free beer.  

- My mate said “that Ashton looks like a rogue trader to me - don’t like him”. 

That’s word for word from a City fans’ Facebook page ...... I loved the ‘bloody play him then’ shout!

[maxjak]

Well I'm still intrigued to know what the couple of staggering answers by LJ were?..Ha!...I guess I'll never know   While it's a good idea to use available technology to possibly broadcast the fan forums online, it appears that the real meat n' potatoes of the meetings are the private forums with LJ after the Mic's have been packed away?  Thanks to everyone who was able to attend for their updates.

[The Bard]

Description of Mark Ashton as a rogue trader is spot on. Perfect description of a man stealing a living..

[Mr Popodopolous]

48 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Well I'm still intrigued to know what the couple of staggering answers by LJ were?..Ha!...I guess I'll never know   While it's a good idea to use available technology to possibly broadcast the fan forums online, it appears that the real meat n' potatoes of the meetings are the private forums with LJ after the Mic's have been packed away?  Thanks to everyone who was able to attend for their updates.

The off the record Q's to/chats with LJ etc after the bulk do sound interesting- perhaps I'll pop along to the next one.

How often are they?

[The Constant Rabbit]

8 hours ago, Beezey said:

The case study thing is true, I won’t go into to much but a mate who coaches for West Brom was telling me that Lloyd is someone that has been used as a case study to do with physical growth. The case study revolves around how he was the best football in his age group over a number of years and then he had a massive growth spurt and his game went downhill to such an extent that he could have been let go. City stuck with him believing that his game needed to catch up with the growth spurt he’d been through and luckily he came through. 

I think other coaches in the game are looking at Lloyd’s example as almost a blue print of how to deal with players who go through such a sudden and dramatic growth spurt as certainly in the past teams have let players go thinking that they had peaked when actually a change in coaching etc could have been beneficial. I assume that’s the case study he’s referring to. 

And this is the problem right here.

We have a portion of this club obsessed to the 'N'th degree about biometrics , grass cambers,  % effect of a ball slowing per mm of rain etc etc - and that's fine.

 

But when this is conveyed to players, a lot of whom, through no fault of their own, are not especially bright, struggle.

 

They struggle to understand the relevance, and switch off.

A case in point was Matthews.

How could a grown man, and a professional athlete not understand sugar caused weight gain, and that coca-cola was full of sugar?

That is basic stuff for an 8 yr old.

 

This seems to totally escape LJ and co.

Did he think Tomlin or Fredericks would care about grass length when they cared only about themselves?

"Pay me money to kick ball" - that's about it really.

When you have all this info, and backroom staff, they are totally useless if the club doesn't assess the player's intellect and how to communicate with them.

 

Matthews (and no doubt many others) not understanding what food groups to avoid.

Players drinking alcohol whilst injured (significantly slows healing - not to mention being out in clubs when rest is needed)

Foreign players not having anyone to talk to in their own language.

Players out gambling on their own at all hours to the point of bankruptcy and suicide.

 

As an example 18 yr old AFL (Aussie Rules) players are binning alcohol all season. Returning early to training of their own volition.Paying for high-altitude camps out of their own pocket.

Icing their injuries every 2 hours during the day, and getting their partner or parent to do it at night.

All for that extra 1% in performance and endurance.

THIS SHOULD BE THE BARE MINIMUM

Every player needs to understand the right things to eat and drink - the club need to make sure they understand this.

 

Then, and only then, can LJ and co instill his teachings.

Because at the moment, every single player looks totally confused as to what they should be doing.

Look at Kalas, Baker.Pack - all 3 are going backwards by the week.

 

I'd hazard a guess and say its because they are completely baffled as to what their role is - or what style the team is trying to play.

 

My views on the future of the Franchise are well known - I just hope that when new owners eventually arrive, the first thing they do is employ people who assess the players capacity to learn and interact with them accordingly.

 

Because at this moment, not a single player has a clue what the hell they are supposed to be doing.

 

2p

[Major Isewater]

9 hours ago, The Bard said:

Description of Mark Ashton as a rogue trader is spot on. Perfect description of a man stealing a living..

The poster wrote that  his mate said Ashton " looks " like a rogue trader , evidently they all look alike .

For evidence here's a photo of some traders , remark how they are identical.

 

[Major Isewater]

7 hours ago, SX227 said:

And this is the problem right here.

We have a portion of this club obsessed to the 'N'th degree about biometrics , grass cambers,  % effect of a ball slowing per mm of rain etc etc - and that's fine.

 

But when this is conveyed to players, a lot of whom, through no fault of their own, are not especially bright, struggle.

 

They struggle to understand the relevance, and switch off.

A case in point was Matthews.

How could a grown man, and a professional athlete not understand sugar caused weight gain, and that coca-cola was full of sugar?

That is basic stuff for an 8 yr old.

 

This seems to totally escape LJ and co.

Did he think Tomlin or Fredericks would care about grass length when they cared only about themselves?

"Pay me money to kick ball" - that's about it really.

When you have all this info, and backroom staff, they are totally useless if the club doesn't assess the player's intellect and how to communicate with them.

 

Matthews (and no doubt many others) not understanding what food groups to avoid.

Players drinking alcohol whilst injured (significantly slows healing - not to mention being out in clubs when rest is needed)

Foreign players not having anyone to talk to in their own language.

Players out gambling on their own at all hours to the point of bankruptcy and suicide.

 

As an example 18 yr old AFL (Aussie Rules) players are binning alcohol all season. Returning early to training of their own volition.Paying for high-altitude camps out of their own pocket.

Icing their injuries every 2 hours during the day, and getting their partner or parent to do it at night.

All for that extra 1% in performance and endurance.

THIS SHOULD BE THE BARE MINIMUM

Every player needs to understand the right things to eat and drink - the club need to make sure they understand this.

 

Then, and only then, can LJ and co instill his teachings.

Because at the moment, every single player looks totally confused as to what they should be doing.

Look at Kalas, Baker.Pack - all 3 are going backwards by the week.

 

I'd hazard a guess and say its because they are completely baffled as to what their role is - or what style the team is trying to play.

 

My views on the future of the Franchise are well known - I just hope that when new owners eventually arrive, the first thing they do is employ people who assess the players capacity to learn and interact with them accordingly.

 

Because at this moment, not a single player has a clue what the hell they are supposed to be doing.

 

2p

I'm pretty sure that the players know about nutrition these days .Marlon Pack alluded to it the other day in an interview.

Lucky for Matthews that he's a footballer because he ain't no academic .

On one of those jokey quizzes he didn't know what a ' county ' was ! 

I do, however, believe that it is all a bit over the top with the statistics and information provided to the lads. It serves no purpose if the basics of the game are not adhered to. 

Put the ball in the opposition net and don't let them put it in yours .

Concentrate, find a way to beat the player you're up against , be fit enough to to do it all match and don't give up .

Our players are not experienced World beaters who play for the top six Prem clubs, some may well turn out to be but they're not there yet. 

I get the impression that LJ plays ' Championship Manager ' for real .

[Cowshed]

8 hours ago, SX227 said:

And this is the problem right here.

We have a portion of this club obsessed to the 'N'th degree about biometrics , grass cambers,  % effect of a ball slowing per mm of rain etc etc - and that's fine.

 

But when this is conveyed to players, a lot of whom, through no fault of their own, are not especially bright, struggle.

 

They struggle to understand the relevance, and switch off.

A case in point was Matthews.

How could a grown man, and a professional athlete not understand sugar caused weight gain, and that coca-cola was full of sugar?

That is basic stuff for an 8 yr old.

 

This seems to totally escape LJ and co.

Did he think Tomlin or Fredericks would care about grass length when they cared only about themselves?

"Pay me money to kick ball" - that's about it really.

When you have all this info, and backroom staff, they are totally useless if the club doesn't assess the player's intellect and how to communicate with them.

 

Matthews (and no doubt many others) not understanding what food groups to avoid.

Players drinking alcohol whilst injured (significantly slows healing - not to mention being out in clubs when rest is needed)

Foreign players not having anyone to talk to in their own language.

Players out gambling on their own at all hours to the point of bankruptcy and suicide.

 

As an example 18 yr old AFL (Aussie Rules) players are binning alcohol all season. Returning early to training of their own volition.Paying for high-altitude camps out of their own pocket.

Icing their injuries every 2 hours during the day, and getting their partner or parent to do it at night.

All for that extra 1% in performance and endurance.

THIS SHOULD BE THE BARE MINIMUM

Every player needs to understand the right things to eat and drink - the club need to make sure they understand this.

 

Then, and only then, can LJ and co instill his teachings.

Because at the moment, every single player looks totally confused as to what they should be doing.

Look at Kalas, Baker.Pack - all 3 are going backwards by the week.

 

I'd hazard a guess and say its because they are completely baffled as to what their role is - or what style the team is trying to play.

 

My views on the future of the Franchise are well known - I just hope that when new owners eventually arrive, the first thing they do is employ people who assess the players capacity to learn and interact with them accordingly.

 

Because at this moment, not a single player has a clue what the hell they are supposed to be doing.

 

2p

Players may be or not be particularly bright depending on what your perception is but we all learn differently. What technology can do is simplify things and create deeper learning. It can be person centred in the right hands. In my case giving me information in a written form, or verbally can be harder to understand than showing me a graphic, or walking me through the task ..

In the case of biometrics what I have found is how engaging it can be. You can see your improvement, buy into areas you can improve, it is exciting (not to all). This is introduced to players at early ages .. Its a beneficial accepted part of football.

All these things are tools that should take into consideration how players learn and how you teach them. How players learn, how we coach, how we teach is part of FA coaching from lowly level 2 to Lee Johnsons badges.

Because at the moment, every single player looks totally confused as to what they should be doing. Look at Kalas, Baker.Pack - all 3 are going backwards by the week.I'd hazard a guess and say its because they are completely baffled as to what their role is - or what style the team is trying to play.

Your point here is another thing all together. If a team has styles of course its harder to learn, and can be baffling. Lot to be said for kiss (Keep it simple stupid).

[Mr Popodopolous]

3 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

I'm pretty sure that the players know about nutrition these days .Marlon Pack alluded to it the other day in an interview.

Lucky for Matthews that he's a footballer because he ain't no academic .

On one of those jokey quizzes he didn't know what a ' county ' was ! 

I do, however, believe that it is all a bit over the top with the statistics and information provided to the lads. It serves no purpose if the basics of the game are not adhered to. 

Put the ball in the opposition net and don't let them put it in yours .

Concentrate, find a way to beat the player you're up against , be fit enough to to do it all match and don't give up .

Our players are not experienced World beaters who play for the top six Prem clubs, some may well turn out to be but they're not there yet. 

I get the impression that LJ plays ' Championship Manager ' for real .

On the nutrution front.

I can't remember the full list but Pack, Weimann, Walsh and fairly sure another were spotted on night out weekend just gone- saw it on BCFC until I die page. Clubbing, dunno if they had alcohol but if they were drinking it up, that's no good during a season IMO. International break or not.

https://playerscout.co.uk/footballers-diet/effects-of-alcohol/#footballperformance4

If it's a one off fair enough I guess, but to me alcohol and the like should be kept to close season- otherwise footballers can't perform to a consistently optimum level.

[BigAl&Toby]

19 hours ago, SX227 said:

And this is the problem right here.

We have a portion of this club obsessed to the 'N'th degree about biometrics , grass cambers,  % effect of a ball slowing per mm of rain etc etc - and that's fine.

 

But when this is conveyed to players, a lot of whom, through no fault of their own, are not especially bright, struggle.

 

They struggle to understand the relevance, and switch off.

A case in point was Matthews.

How could a grown man, and a professional athlete not understand sugar caused weight gain, and that coca-cola was full of sugar?

That is basic stuff for an 8 yr old.

 

This seems to totally escape LJ and co.

Did he think Tomlin or Fredericks would care about grass length when they cared only about themselves?

"Pay me money to kick ball" - that's about it really.

When you have all this info, and backroom staff, they are totally useless if the club doesn't assess the player's intellect and how to communicate with them.

 

Matthews (and no doubt many others) not understanding what food groups to avoid.

Players drinking alcohol whilst injured (significantly slows healing - not to mention being out in clubs when rest is needed)

Foreign players not having anyone to talk to in their own language.

Players out gambling on their own at all hours to the point of bankruptcy and suicide.

 

As an example 18 yr old AFL (Aussie Rules) players are binning alcohol all season. Returning early to training of their own volition.Paying for high-altitude camps out of their own pocket.

Icing their injuries every 2 hours during the day, and getting their partner or parent to do it at night.

All for that extra 1% in performance and endurance.

THIS SHOULD BE THE BARE MINIMUM

Every player needs to understand the right things to eat and drink - the club need to make sure they understand this.

 

Then, and only then, can LJ and co instill his teachings.

Because at the moment, every single player looks totally confused as to what they should be doing.

Look at Kalas, Baker.Pack - all 3 are going backwards by the week.

 

I'd hazard a guess and say its because they are completely baffled as to what their role is - or what style the team is trying to play.

 

My views on the future of the Franchise are well known - I just hope that when new owners eventually arrive, the first thing they do is employ people who assess the players capacity to learn and interact with them accordingly.

 

Because at this moment, not a single player has a clue what the hell they are supposed to be doing.

 

2p

Absolutely spot on. In every possible sense.

My thoughts on Lansdown are well known. More harm than good I’m afraid as far as I’m concerned - for BCFC. The only thing I care about.

Did I go? Nope. I hid behind my keyboard.

Fans’ Forums where anything meaningful is said afterwards is pointless.

Last time I attended anything non BCFC related was Billy Graham. And that was a load of propoganda bullshit as well.....