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'Generational scandal' as number of child problem gamblers quadruples to 50,000

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11 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Sorry but if everyone took the attitude that it is nothing to do with me, then we shall be in a dreadful moral place

Because other clubs act unethical.y doesn't stop City fans criticising our club for unethical behaviour.

Think your ethical moral compass must be on the blink

As for 'bashing BS' it is only too easy.  It is akin to taking a penalty with no goalie to beat.  BS are their own worst enemies.  It doesn't need me or anyone else to do the job, they do it only too well themselves

If you re-read my post I did not take the 'nothing to do with me attitude'-merely pointed out that to say ethics of City are poor is daft when there are other clubs going off the moral compass. 

I haven't seen having Dunder as a shirt sponsor unethical behaviour by the club-by that token you should've been outraged back in the day when Georges advertised their Glucose Stout on the roof of the Number 2 stand and, more recently, Blackthorn on the shirts. That could well encourage kids to be alcoholics! :laughcont:

Maybe BS are, but you spend a hell of a lot of time on here bemoaning them about anything they do, if they're making such an open net of things maybe it's time for you to take a backseat and a deep breath. It'll save your mental health in the long run...

As for my 'ethical moral compass' I'm sure such a fine bastion of morality as yourself can show me the light....🤣

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Who gives a shit about a betting company? They carve so much gold by sending young people to life time depts that they actually have to creep to the the cross and sponsor a football club. Long may you burn in hell .

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4 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said:

Who gives a shit about a betting company? They carve so much gold by sending young people to life time depts that they actually have to creep to the the cross and sponsor a football club. Long may you burn in hell .

Depts? Department Stores? Bus Depos?? 

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20 hours ago, 29AR said:

Do you have ANY form of insurance, save arguably car insurance mandated by law? 

If your answer is yes, guess what, you’re a gambler. 

Risk/reward is a part of life. Whether that’s approaching a girl in a bar, changing job, embarking upon university and £50k of debt, picking your bank account, choosing how to invest your money (even if not consciously choosing). It’s about time the recreation of it is less stigmatised in my opinion. I also feel no distaste in ‘underage’ gambling. Yes it can be addictive, but this is capitalism and the whole way we exist is risk/reward. People need to learn what is acceptable and unacceptable risks to merely exist nowadays. That’s an absolute fact in capitalism.   

Oh please

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2 hours ago, Ivorguy said:

Sorry but you can knock the club 

They had choice and they made an unethical decision imo

BS is so focused on money that all other considerations are set aside even ethical ones 

 

Let's be fair.

Modern football, a decent chunk of it anyway, is fairly amoral.

Be it ownership, various sponsorships, perhaps partnerships.

They may have made an ethically debatable decision, but it's rife in football. Can't think of a high level club that isn't.

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57 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said:

They say they take their responsibility. They don't. They send tens of thousands of young people in to misery.

Yeah I seen that the other day round by asdas 

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Any luck with the Tommy Translator anyone, I’m struggling? 

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2 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said:

Good night Bristol. Sleep well you fellow reds. 

Night night Tommy, wise move x

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******* love Tommy, haahahhah, never change mate.

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I'd rather we weren't sponsored by an online casino company but I honestly think, as problems around football's relationship with gambling go, a shirt sponsor few people have heard of which runs betting activities that are not linked to football isn't the problem.

What genuinely does worry me is how gambling on footballer is increasingly advertised in a way that implies that everyone is doing it. I'd be quite happy to see a ban on gambling adverts during football coverage, for example. But I think Bristol City's deal with Dunder is far from the major problem here. 

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1 minute ago, LondonBristolian said:

I'd rather we weren't sponsored by an online casino company but I honestly think, as problems around football's relationship with gambling go, a shirt sponsor few people have heard of which runs betting activities that are not linked to football isn't the problem.

What genuinely does worry me is how gambling on footballer is increasingly advertised in a way that implies that everyone is doing it. I'd be quite happy to see a ban on gambling adverts during football coverage, for example. But I think Bristol City's deal with Dunder is far from the major problem here. 

Think my views on gambling are fairly well known on here, but the Ladbrokes advert is the one that pisses me off the most. The whole "lads, be a lad, the lad life, living like a lad, do a line of coke and punt the rest of your cash on a tracky instead of your leccy bills, give us all your money and live the lad life" thing really boiled my piss.

It takes advantage of our in built, biological weaknesses, but hey, that's capitalism.

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21 hours ago, EnderMB said:

The problem with kids gambling goes MUCH deeper than this.

Do your kids play Fortnite? Do they play FUT? If so, they are (probably) gambling, because they are using real money to purchase in-game items through games of chance or random loot drops.

My girlfriend is a teacher, and she's known kids drop hundreds or thousands each year on these games, just so they can have the best players or have the highest degrees of success in a game. Some offer no benefit to gameplay, and they just look cool.

Before anyone laughs at people that spend money on virtual items, it's always been widely accepted that the brain perceives the same benefits from buying a virtual item over a physical item. It's a sad reality of being young in todays world - at least in your days you got some money from gambling...

I'm so glad somebody mentioned this. FUT is SERIOUSLY addictive. It is intentionally designed to be so and the money that has been spent by kids and their parents is shocking. If that seed is being planted at such a young age then it can only bode badly for adulthood.

It's only a matter of time before it's made illegal (as Belgium has already done).

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I must admit that I've had issues with gambling and drinking but I feel it is me who is entirely responsible.

Gambling advertising has gone through the roof though at the moment, however nobody forces you to do

it just need a bit of self control which some don't have including me at times

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Additionally, I'd suggest anyone with a bit of spare time google CSGO crates, FUT packs and PES balls. 

All designed to be addictive.

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On 22/11/2018 at 09:04, Undy English said:

I see gambling ads and normal ads every day on every platform from phone to TV - doesn't make me want to go out and gamble or drink or buy a particular product.

Having a gambling company sponsor does not force people to pick up their phone, create an account and start gambling away all their hard earned money. It's just a name on a shirt. Just like all City fans weren't taking out DAS Insurance or buying used cars from Bristol Trade Centre.

Ah, the old "advertising doesn't work" line. Would love to know how your research stacks up against the multi-billion dollar ad industries findings.

Gaming companies don't force people to gamble, but there's clearly a huge correlation with the amount of advertising, sponsorship being spent in places kids are exposed to it and the dramatic increase in children and others gambling.

Watching football whilst betting on their mobiles from the comfort of their home is how a whole new generation are engaging with the game. They've removed a huge barrier to entry compared to when we were growing up and had to risk going in to a betting shop underage. 

You'd have to be incredibly naive to think that increased advertisign and the willingness of football to align themselves with the gaming industry isn't causing misery for huge numbers of kids and adults alike.

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On 22/11/2018 at 19:21, bristolcitysweden said:

bit i rather piss in my pants like we always have done

 

On 22/11/2018 at 19:48, CyderInACan said:

Don’t we all, eh. Don’t we all. 

Puts me in mind of one of our players.

Awkward removal of pants - or reinstatement, exact detail lost in the mists of time - first thing in the morning resulting in 4 months out injured!

What a pisser!

 

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On 23/11/2018 at 11:54, redordead1 said:

Ah, the old "advertising doesn't work" line. Would love to know how your research stacks up against the multi-billion dollar ad industries findings.

Gaming companies don't force people to gamble, but there's clearly a huge correlation with the amount of advertising, sponsorship being spent in places kids are exposed to it and the dramatic increase in children and others gambling.

Watching football whilst betting on their mobiles from the comfort of their home is how a whole new generation are engaging with the game. They've removed a huge barrier to entry compared to when we were growing up and had to risk going in to a betting shop underage. 

You'd have to be incredibly naive to think that increased advertisign and the willingness of football to align themselves with the gaming industry isn't causing misery for huge numbers of kids and adults alike.

I find it bizarre that football kits can't advertise booze, the sale of which is pretty well controlled, but can advertise gambling, which is rife among kids.

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