chinapig Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 58 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Will be fascinating to see if Leeds can keep up their incredible work and energy , after we admitted blowing up last year Bielsa is known to train players incredibly hard. I read somewhere that he had then working from 9am to 7pm in pre-season. That should stand them in good stead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 19 minutes ago, chinapig said: Bielsa is known to train players incredibly hard. I read somewhere that he had then working from 9am to 7pm in pre-season. That should stand then in good stead. That type of training is called “beasting” and is a double edged sword as the benefits are clear but not all players take to it willingly and can it can cause disharmony in the squad. I heard Danny Murphy talking about it on TalkSport and when Felix Magrat (sp) took over at Fulham and introduced it, it caused real issues amongst the squad. Murphy certainly didn’t take to it...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Robbored said: That type of training is called “beasting” and is a double edged sword as the benefits are clear but not all players take to it willingly and can it can cause disharmony in the squad. I heard Danny Murphy talking about it on TalkSport and when Felix Magrat (sp) took over at Fulham and introduced it, it caused real issues amongst the squad. Murphy certainly didn’t take to it...... I imagine Bielsa would simply weed out any players who didn't fancy putting in the level of work he demands. Magath, by the time he arrived at Fulham, had become something of a crank so didn't have the credibility Bielsa has as one of the most admired coaches in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, chinapig said: I imagine Bielsa would simply weed out any players who didn't fancy putting in the level of work he demands. Magath, by the time he arrived at Fulham, had become something of a crank so didn't have the credibility Bielsa has as one of the most admired coaches in the game. I think Murphy’s point was that the squad were all very fit PL footballers already and “beasting” them was seem as an archaic and unnecessary method. The players soon got disillusioned and no way could Magrat leave them all out. He didn’t last long at Craven Cottage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Robbored said: I think Murphy’s point was that the squad were all very fit PL footballers already and “beasting” them was seem as an archaic and unnecessary method. The players soon got disillusioned and no way could Magrat leave them all out. He didn’t last long at Craven Cottage. On balance I'll take the opinions of the likes of Guardiola and Pochettino on Bielsa's methods over Danny Murphy's I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 52 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: And we`re only two points behind Villa so are we Leeds`s promotion rivals too? No because Sky want only Big teams to get promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, TomF said: 'Promotion Rivals' Piss off Sky. Leeds fans only turned up (as the song goes) to see the Villa...obviously. Just to see how shite their defence is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Frenchay Red said: I wonder if Everton Vs Spurs will be so exciting. Probably not! Oops...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 21 minutes ago, chinapig said: On balance I'll take the opinions of the likes of Guardiola and Pochettino on Bielsa's methods over Danny Murphy's I think. Pep and Pottechino both “beast” their squads? Whilst top fitness and top stamina is essential surely there are more sophisticated ways of achieving it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 Just now, BanburyRed said: Oops...! Indeed!! However, despite a goal fest, which may not be over yet, it still doesn't have the edge that the Villa game had IMO. And there goes in another one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Scrumpylegs said: Villa have staked EVERYTHING on going up this season and will be very much in the s**t if they're not promoted. Really reckless In my opinion- although some on this forum would be more than happy to see us do the same!! That’s exactly what they did last season.........and failure cost Bruce his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 Did i read or hear somewhere that in pre season Biesla didn't give the squad a single day off in a month? Training morning and afternoon, with players being weighed daily. Also heard he measures the grass on the Elland Rd turf to match the training pitches....where have we heard that before?! Quite the fanatical coach Mr Bielsa... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Frenchay Red said: I wonder if Everton Vs Spurs will be so exciting. Probably not! whoops. Spurs did their bit FR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Red Right Hand said: And we`re only two points behind Villa so are we Leeds`s promotion rivals too? No, the 2 point gap is probably sufficient for the pundits to class us as relegation candidates! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinCider Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 31 minutes ago, Robbored said: Pep and Pottechino both “beast” their squads? Whilst top fitness and top stamina is essential surely there are more sophisticated ways of achieving it? I agree it's overrated. Darrell Clarke is a huge fan of beasting allegedly, and yet it doesn't seem to have helped the 15'ers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 42 minutes ago, Robbored said: Pep and Pottechino both “beast” their squads? Whilst top fitness and top stamina is essential surely there are more sophisticated ways of achieving it? Leaving aside the fact that Murphy was referring to Magath and has never played for Bielsa, plus the fact that English ex-pros of the old school are not always knowledgeable about much outside the Premier League, the term beasting is a typically crude characterisation. I do not suggest he would have spent those long days only doing fitness work. There is much more to Bielsa's methods than fitness (and there is plenty on the web about his philosophy and methods) but his sessions tend to be short but very intense. In pre-season they are simply likely to be more in number and intensity. The likes of Guardiola, Pochettino and Simeone (another disciple of his) tend to take a similarly intense approach to all aspects of preparation. Of course some players will prefer to do an hour or two then go off to spend more time with their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 2 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Thanks Hmmmmmmmmnnmnn Amazing how far he’s come. Got to be honest I wasn’t too disappointed with him leaving, fair play to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, chinapig said: Leaving aside the fact that Murphy was referring to Magath and has never played for Bielsa, plus the fact that English ex-pros of the old school are not always knowledgeable about much outside the Premier League, the term beasting is a typically crude characterisation. I do not suggest he would have spent those long days only doing fitness work. There is much more to Bielsa's methods than fitness (and there is plenty on the web about his philosophy and methods) but his sessions tend to be short but very intense. In pre-season they are simply likely to be more in number and intensity. The likes of Guardiola, Pochettino and Simeone (another disciple of his) tend to take a similarly intense approach to all aspects of preparations. Of course some players will prefer to do an hour or two then go off to spend more time with their money. It’s not a style or method that I’m familiar with. Does it have a particular name? I’ll read up about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 15 minutes ago, downendcity said: No, the 2 point gap is probably sufficient for the pundits to class us as relegation candidates! And for Sky, the most important factor of course is, we`re not a `big club` and would only stink up the Premier League. You can`t have the peasants getting above themselves. After all, what have we ever achieved since football first began in 1992? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 Ok for me that Leeds won.Leeds before Villa eight days a week. Asked a Villa fan who was the best club in championship? He answered seriously Aston Villa. Norwich are top of the table I said. No Aston Villa is the best team in the leauge he still said. Vill meet him in work after christmas, wonder what he says then. Really hope they lose next game to. He says our team is shit, ok, we are now only two points behind Villa. COYR!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 21 minutes ago, Robbored said: It’s not a style or method that I’m familiar with. Does it have a particular name? I’ll read up about it. This isn't a bad starting point: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11715/11411167/marcelo-bielsas-philosophy-why-he-is-the-most-influential-coach and this: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/marcelo-bielsas-methods-take-hold-at-leeds-early-in-unusual-managerial-stint/ar-BBMAraL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Domingo Roldan Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 4 hours ago, RedM said: Same here. Never liked either team but the thought of Villa suffering and failing to get promoted this season was a good enough reason to cheer on Leeds slightly more. I thought they said he was joint captain, with who I didn’t hear. Liam Cooper is their club captain - CB, currently out injured. What a cracking game & fully deserved win for Leeds. They'd be lethal if they had Tammy up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 20 hours ago, One BCFC said: Bielsa is an excellent coach, far too good for the division we are in and no surprise they are top of the league at christmas. Speaks volumes when Pep Guardiola used to frequently speak tactics with him many years ago and you can see similarities in both coaches style of play. I'm still a bit surprised Leeds got him in all honesty. Shows how far the Championship has come last 10 years perhaps. His teams are known and have been known for intense pressing as well as being good technically. I think he's a bit more sophisticated in his approach than Magath was at Fulham tbh so should avoid those pitfalls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 21 hours ago, One BCFC said: Bielsa is an excellent coach, far too good for the division we are in and no surprise they are top of the league at christmas. Speaks volumes when Pep Guardiola used to frequently speak tactics with him many years ago and you can see similarities in both coaches style of play. Please please,be fair.... Pep 'does also with Lee.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 28 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I'm still a bit surprised Leeds got him in all honesty. Shows how far the Championship has come last 10 years perhaps. His teams are known and have been known for intense pressing as well as being good technically. I think he's a bit more sophisticated in his approach than Magath was at Fulham tbh so should avoid those pitfalls. Also has the reputation , and apparent ability , to get players to totally buy into it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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