GlastonburyRed Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 I always felt we missed Cunningham when he left, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 When he left he couldn't get in the team! I liked him as a player as he always looked forward first but when mathews came in it looked like we had made the right call defensively. I can't say at the time he left i was particularly bothered. Going off the first season in the championship i thought we had the better player. I imagine there are plenty others who also did. Turns out mathews couldn't be arsed and ayling went up a level- These things happen all the time in football. We move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Between heaven and hell said: I think it was more about the races incident and the Bristol sport image than his quality A well known , and I think , respected City supporter is quite clear after what he said were direct conversations that it was LJ that wanted to move LA on and has since admitted it was a mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Red_Wizard said: I think it's pretty simple why he left. Cheltenham saga. ...he went on an over 50s holiday to Cheltenham? ffs he was a twenty something, that's taking the piss that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BessexRED Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 2 hours ago, aa_bcfc said: Ayling left for more money than we were able/ prepared to pay. No he didn’t. Leeds had a wage cap of £15k before this season. There’s a few reasons Luke left, finances certainly were not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 3 hours ago, AshtonPark said: How many really have? Get a list going I doubt there are many (proper players not loans) Greg Cunningham, Luke Freeman, Yannick Bolasie, to name three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aa_bcfc Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 6 hours ago, BessexRED said: No he didn’t. Leeds had a wage cap of £15k before this season. There’s a few reasons Luke left, finances certainly were not one of them. I don’t know anything regarding wage caps at Leeds however Cheltenham was not the reason Ayling left and he was on more more money than we were prepared to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 8 hours ago, GlastonburyRed said: I always felt we missed Cunningham when he left, as well. Cunningham was a great example of a player losing out to a change of tactics, as was Derek Williams. He was a left back not a left wing back . He was unlucky to lose his place through injury and then the team just moved on without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 A good player in my mind but didn’t seemed to be rated by a few on here? Nice to see him doing well and he will always be remembered by me for being part of our great team that won promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 I don’t get why this comes up almost every time Leeds play. Ok Leeds are doing well this season but not as if they have been miles ahead of us since he left. He was captain yesterday but reckon he is 4th or 5th option as they had quite a few out injured. Anyway, the point is he has been gone 2.5 years now. If he was still here we’d be having the arguments about who should start between him Hunt and Pisano. Their fans have had their days of ripping into him. Hell his first game back at AG he cost them 3 points. Quality player for sure but fullback in the championship is one of the most unforgiving positions in football. If he was still here he’d still be getting stick just like every RB since he left has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BessexRED Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 4 hours ago, aa_bcfc said: I don’t know anything regarding wage caps at Leeds however Cheltenham was not the reason Ayling left and he was on more more money than we were prepared to pay. No he wasn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 16 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: I don’t get why this comes up almost every time Leeds play. Ok Leeds are doing well this season but not as if they have been miles ahead of us since he left. He was captain yesterday but reckon he is 4th or 5th option as they had quite a few out injured. Anyway, the point is he has been gone 2.5 years now. If he was still here we’d be having the arguments about who should start between him Hunt and Pisano. Their fans have had their days of ripping into him. Hell his first game back at AG he cost them 3 points. Quality player for sure but fullback in the championship is one of the most unforgiving positions in football. If he was still here he’d still be getting stick just like every RB since he left has. Fifth choice ? Hes been injured but still made 15 appearances to date He also looks very healthy in their stats / ratings https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/19/Show/England-Leeds One of the , very best footballers we had in SC squad , not utilised properly in Championship here IMHO , always provides real momentum to play , always on the front foot Be in my side that’s for sure Miles ahead of Hunt or Pisano IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class not gas Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Fifth choice ? Hes been injured but still made 15 appearances to date He also looks very healthy in their stats / ratings https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/19/Show/England-Leeds One of the , very best footballers we had in SC squad , not utilised properly in Championship here IMHO , always provides real momentum to play , always on the front foot Be in my side that’s for sure Miles ahead of Hunt or Pisano IMHO 100% agree. Top player and would get in the current side no doubt as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 Think @JoeAman08 meant 4th / 5th choice skipper....not RB. But agree with Bob and Class - top player. LJ would love him at RB now. I think he could cover CM too, he’s got a footballer’s brain. @BessexRED anything you can share with us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Rocker Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 4 hours ago, aa_bcfc said: I don’t know anything regarding wage caps at Leeds however Cheltenham was not the reason Ayling left and he was on more more money than we were prepared to pay. I used to bump into Luke and chat with him occasionally when he lived in Harbourside. A really nice friendly and honest lad. Anyway, after LJ took over he wasn't getting in the side and I asked him about it one time. "The gaffer doesn't seem to like me" was all he had to say, and sure enough a few weeks later he was gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allwaysred Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 Loved the party life too much and was a bad influence on a few others Freeman was the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, City Rocker said: I used to bump into Luke and chat with him occasionally when he lived in Harbourside. A really nice friendly and honest lad. Anyway, after LJ took over he wasn't getting in the side and I asked him about it one time. "The gaffer doesn't seem to like me" was all he had to say, and sure enough a few weeks later he was gone. No point in getting too hung up in it now , and it’s gone - but LJ at the time told GT that he had explained to LA that his game time may be limited and thus it was unsurprising that LA wanted to speak to Leeds when they made an offer Im %100 on that interview He was also a popular character Hes one I always watch with regret that we let go , and a big mistake IMHO , but hey ho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Allwaysred said: Loved the party life too much and was a bad influence on a few others Freeman was the same. Interesting - Reveal more ! Wouldnt shock me in some ways , but for a party boy , he’s bloody fit !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: No point in getting too hung up in it now , and it’s gone - but LJ at the time told GT that he had explained to LA that his game time may be limited and thus it was unsurprising that LA wanted to speak to Leeds when they made an offer Im %100 on that interview He was also a popular character Hes one I always watch with regret that we let go , and a big mistake IMHO , but hey ho And yet he started the season v Wigan at RB, even though Matthews had re-signed on loan. I still think it was a strange sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Think @JoeAman08 meant 4th / 5th choice skipper....not RB. But agree with Bob and Class - top player. LJ would love him at RB now. I think he could cover CM too, he’s got a footballer’s brain. @BessexRED anything you can share with us? Think He played there for Yeovil in their Champ season , for at least part of the season I agree - Imagine him as the extra man in a midfield 3 It may sound left field but I always wondered how he would do in a 10 role , especially away from home , - good enough on the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allwaysred Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 It was well know he loved the Source and the party life style you forget the trip to sin city?? He's had to work extremely hard up there before and after his injury and now he has he's been made captain and well deserved.... Leeds didn't get the summer off this year their manager told them unless their the weight and fitness he wants they won't play sure is paying off and well done LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: And yet he started the season v Wigan at RB, even though Matthews had re-signed on loan. I still think it was a strange sell. One to remember to ask LJ if I get an opporunity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 49 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: I don’t get why this comes up almost every time Leeds play. Ok Leeds are doing well this season but not as if they have been miles ahead of us since he left. He was captain yesterday but reckon he is 4th or 5th option as they had quite a few out injured. Anyway, the point is he has been gone 2.5 years now. If he was still here we’d be having the arguments about who should start between him Hunt and Pisano. Their fans have had their days of ripping into him. Hell his first game back at AG he cost them 3 points. Quality player for sure but fullback in the championship is one of the most unforgiving positions in football. If he was still here he’d still be getting stick just like every RB since he left has. Great post. As with Freeman, the rose-tinted brigade are out. Both players blew hot and cold here, were for a large majority of fans scape goats and neither we were particularly happy to lose at the time. We don’t talk about Ayling until Leeds are doing well, as you say. That’s not taking into account the details, which nobody knows, about contract details, player wishes, work attitude before and even after Cheltenham. Perhaps he knew he needed a change of lifestyle and work ethic or career might go backwards? I notice people don’t talk about Wes Burns, Kieran Agard or Gary O’Neil, JET etc for example very often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, Alessandro said: Great post. As with Freeman, the rose-tinted brigade are out. Both players blew hot and cold here, were for a large majority of fans scape goats and neither we were particularly happy to lose at the time. We don’t talk about Ayling until Leeds are doing well, as you say. That’s not taking into account the details, which nobody knows, about contract details, player wishes, work attitude before and even after Cheltenham. Perhaps he knew he needed a change of lifestyle and work ethic or career might go backwards? I notice people don’t talk about Wes Burns, Kieran Agard or Gary O’Neil, JET etc for example very often. That’s because a good few of us rated Ayling during the time he was here. That’s why he gets mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 40 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Fifth choice ? Hes been injured but still made 15 appearances to date He also looks very healthy in their stats / ratings https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/19/Show/England-Leeds One of the , very best footballers we had in SC squad , not utilised properly in Championship here IMHO , always provides real momentum to play , always on the front foot Be in my side that’s for sure Miles ahead of Hunt or Pisano IMHO Yes meant 4th 5th choice for captain. Obviously first choice RB. Agree about footballer. One of the most natural footballers I have seen in a BCFC shirt. Never forget his run in our first home game back in the champ. Dribbled through 4-5 players and set up Kodjia for his first goal. This was supposed to be one of our CBs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, Davefevs said: That’s because a good few of us rated Ayling during the time he was here. That’s why he gets mentioned. And Freeman I was a bigger fan of LA but saw quality in both , said so at the time , when they left , and since I’m not sure what JET, GON or Wes Burns has to do with anything - Wouldn’t have kept any of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, Alessandro said: Great post. As with Freeman, the rose-tinted brigade are out. Both players blew hot and cold here, were for a large majority of fans scape goats and neither we were particularly happy to lose at the time. We don’t talk about Ayling until Leeds are doing well, as you say. That’s not taking into account the details, which nobody knows, about contract details, player wishes, work attitude before and even after Cheltenham. Perhaps he knew he needed a change of lifestyle and work ethic or career might go backwards? I notice people don’t talk about Wes Burns, Kieran Agard or Gary O’Neil, JET etc for example very often. Yep. And for the record I rated him but he is what he is. A good option for this level but I can’t really see him as a premier league player. I am not convinced he’d make us much better. Sometimes players fit better at other places. Ayling is probably a case of this. Good footballer in a better environment for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: Yep. And for the record I rated him but he is what he is. A good option for this level but I can’t really see him as a premier league player. I am not convinced he’d make us much better. Sometimes players fit better at other places. Ayling is probably a case of this. Good footballer in a better environment for him. He certainly fits Leeds total front foot approach perfectly Think he would have been great in our pre Xmas 11 last season though I love the fact he influences games - always looking to be on front foot , creative and imaginative You used the phrase ‘natural footballer’ which is spot on IMO you try and keep them , and utilise them when they come along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 36 minutes ago, Alessandro said: Great post. As with Freeman, the rose-tinted brigade are out. Both players blew hot and cold here, were for a large majority of fans scape goats and neither we were particularly happy to lose at the time. We don’t talk about Ayling until Leeds are doing well, as you say. That’s not taking into account the details, which nobody knows, about contract details, player wishes, work attitude before and even after Cheltenham. Perhaps he knew he needed a change of lifestyle and work ethic or career might go backwards? I notice people don’t talk about Wes Burns, Kieran Agard or Gary O’Neil, JET etc for example very often. Many of us said very clearly at the time we were sorry to see Ayling go and viewed his departure as a mistake. Ayling was known to be a very popular player within a squad with the best team spirit since the 70's. I don't remember any question marks about his work attitude, he always appeared fit and gave 100%. Nothing at all to suggest he was anything but happy at AG, or had in any way sought a move. If the Cheltenham incident was anything to do with his departure it was pathetic cutting off their nose to spite their face behaviour from the club, especially after they had stood by far worse transgressors previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadredfred Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 16 hours ago, Major Isewater said: True . With us he was a bit of a loose cannon when he went forward. He never seemed in control of the ball or even to have an idea of what he was going to do with it ,which caused havoc for the opposition. His positioning , defensively , was suspect. Despite all that I loved the player for his attitude and willingness to attack at every opportunity. Have to disagree there Major. Thought Ayling had some of the best control, and heads-up playing ability out of the whole squad. (Mark Little on the other hand! The least footballing looking footballer I think I've ever seen. Looked like someone rolled a football across a 100m track and he was just quick enough to catch it again before anyone else could.) Agree re his positioning but as others have said, he was also a key attacking outlet, and when playing both roles, that will happen. A very decent player at this level. I think the Cheltenham rubbish was the end for him, regardless of contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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