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Eddie Notgetinya

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Poor old Mo, must be wondering if he’s ever going to get any meaningful game time - not even in the squad today.

From the very little I’ve seen I like his movement and his pace will always cause problems.

Maybe he’ll be a bit like Eliasson and become a more prominent feature in the team next season.

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3 minutes ago, NorwichbasedWurzel said:

Poor old Mo, must be wondering if he’s ever going to get any meaningful game time - not even in the squad today.

From the very little I’ve seen I like his movement and his pace will always cause problems.

Maybe he’ll be a bit like Eliasson and become a more prominent feature in the team next season.

Yeah, but,he's a young player (24)!!

He's a cheap punt (1.7M)

He's not shown enough in his time on the pitch (24 minutes)

Sorry that all that money we sent your way still got you the sack dad....

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I think he`s going to be loaned out in January and we didn`t want to risk anything today because of that.

Suppose he came on for the last five and got whacked by one of their defenders (always a possibility with a side like Rotherham) and the deal had to be shelved.

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2 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

I think he`s going to be loaned out in January and we didn`t want to risk anything today because of that.

Suppose he came on for the last five and got whacked by one of their defenders (always a possibility with a side like Rotherham) and the deal had to be shelved.

Yep. No point risking 1.7M signings who can't get a look in, before they duck off back to the likes of Yeovil or Forest Green.

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4 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

I think he`s going to be loaned out in January and we didn`t want to risk anything today because of that.

Suppose he came on for the last five and got whacked by one of their defenders (always a possibility with a side like Rotherham) and the deal had to be shelved.

I fear you are right.

Moore, Engvall and Eisa? That’s a lot of money spent to loan players out for a team like us! Surely not the plan when we signed them

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52 minutes ago, NorwichbasedWurzel said:

Poor old Mo, must be wondering if he’s ever going to get any meaningful game time - not even in the squad today.

From the very little I’ve seen I like his movement and his pace will always cause problems.

Maybe he’ll be a bit like Eliasson and become a more prominent feature in the team next season.

He is 24, his abilities and needs in terms of coaching were well know when LJ signed him from his dad. I saw him many times for Cheltenham, it was pretty clear what he could and could not do. Fee was silly , but that is football. He has something for sure, but to pay that money for a 24 year old that will not figure near the first team until he is 25 next season is nonsense . Poor scouting vs team needs . 

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Just now, NorwichbasedWurzel said:

I fear you are right.

Moore, Engvall and Eisa? That’s a lot of money spent to loan players out for a team like us! Surely not the plan when we signed them

Moore has apparently been outstanding for Southend. I think he might turn out to be a good signing.

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Ayling, Little and Williams were outstanding in league 1. Johnson ducked them off quick smart. 

Our recruitment policy is a ******* joke. 

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1 minute ago, JonDolman said:

Moore has apparently been outstanding for Southend. I think he might turn out to be a good signing.

I hope so, he was certainly staking a claim in pre season before his injury.

I’ll be interested to see how Mo, Hakeeb, Moore, Vyner and Bakinson get on this summer. Quite promising if you add in Webster, Brownhill, Kelly, Walsh, O’Dowda and Eliasson - not that we will have them all. Others on the fringes aswell.

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1 minute ago, glynriley said:

Ayling, Little and Williams were outstanding in league 1. Johnson ducked them off quick smart. 

Our recruitment policy is a ******* joke. 

Honestly I think Ayling is the only one who is able to make the step up with the ability to be a good championship player vs an average one. 

I didn’t rate Freeman and he’s pulling up trees at QPR though!

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2 minutes ago, NorwichbasedWurzel said:

Honestly I think Ayling is the only one who is able to make the step up with the ability to be a good championship player vs an average one. 

I didn’t rate Freeman and he’s pulling up trees at QPR though!

Do you reckon our 1.5M centre half will play 50 games to us? 

He's still young but I've got my doubts given the plethora of signings in the last 12 months or so. 

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21 minutes ago, glynriley said:

Do you reckon our 1.5M centre half will play 50 games to us? 

He's still young but I've got my doubts given the plethora of signings in the last 12 months or so. 

Are you referring to Moore? If so I agree that it’s unlikely

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1 hour ago, Hampshire reds said:

pathetic this guy has not had much of a chance. 

Don't think many really get how this football thing works, he is raw he has played Senior Football in a lower placed League 2 team, he will get his chance, no need to rush, as said he is an ideal loan candidate, has great potential.

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I think ideally we should only have an 18 man squad so none of our players are left out and everyone will be happy and no more threads like this one 

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2 minutes ago, Big C said:

I think ideally we should only have an 18 man squad so none of our players are left out and everyone will be happy and no more threads like this one 

Left out or not given a chance?? Massive difference squire. 

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1 minute ago, glynriley said:

Left out or not given a chance?? Massive difference squire. 

He’s only been here few months and been injured in that time. He was playing non league football two years ago. I doubt if he’s ready yet and it would appear that the coaches who see him in training would agree

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16 minutes ago, Big C said:

He’s only been here few months and been injured in that time. He was playing non league football two years ago. I doubt if he’s ready yet and it would appear that the coaches who see him in training would agree

Could you explain the fee paid then? He's 24 years old, not an up and coming kid. 

This could go down as bad a deal as Engvall..actually, scrap that, its probably already as bad given the age of the player. Something stinks about the amount of money we've paid here. 

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 I was really looking forward to seeing him play  , even to bring him on for last 15 mins even just means the opposition to stretch the play with his pace. If he does get loaned out I wouldn't be suprised to see us bring another striker seeing as MT is injury prone.

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36 minutes ago, Big C said:

He’s only been here few months and been injured in that time. He was playing non league football two years ago. I doubt if he’s ready yet and it would appear that the coaches who see him in training would agree

 

28 minutes ago, glynriley said:

Could you explain the fee paid then? He's 24 years old, not an up and coming kid. 

 

Thought not

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38 minutes ago, glynriley said:

Could you explain the fee paid then? He's 24 years old, not an up and coming kid. 

This could go down as bad a deal as Engvall..actually, scrap that, its probably already as bad given the age of the player. Something stinks about the amount of money we've paid here. 

As far as I know the fee was undisclosed so I have no idea but it’s not my money so I couldn’t give a monkeys. But anyone writing off a 24 year old after a few months with a new club (some of it spent injured) has to be some sort of idiot

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3 minutes ago, Big C said:

As far as I know the fee was undisclosed so I have no idea but it’s not my money so I couldn’t give a monkeys. But anyone writing off a 24 year old after a few months with a new club (some of it spent injured) has to be some sort of idiot

Not a nice thing to say about our head coach. 

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What really grates Me is we’ve been pitched this as a ‘one for the future’ shit again. £1.8m was it? 

He’s a year older than Brownhill, O’Dowda, and Eliasson. Not exactly one for the future if players younger than him are already trusted first team players or big squad players. If he isn’t good enough or trusted to be in the same group as these, then why did we sign him?

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We all know it’s a very significant step up from League 2 to the Championship and  so does LJ and his coaches and they don’t feel that Eisa is yet ready to make the step up.

His age means nothing without the relevant experience of higher level football so a loan to a L1 outfit makes sense.

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15 hours ago, forbespm said:

Well rated by Cheltenham fans last season.natural goalscorer with pace. Unbelievable he hasn't been given a chance

Its not at all.

Huge second leap in standard for the lad in two seasons. Maybe he will make it maybe he wont, still seems a very very odd signing at the price. ( or maybe not ).

I think the best thing for him is a loan spell in Div 1 - lets see if he can cut it there first.

 

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13 hours ago, Big C said:

I think ideally we should only have an 18 man squad so none of our players are left out and everyone will be happy and no more threads like this one 

That was pretty much how Cotts worked in 14/15.

I quite like that principle, but:

  • you’ve got to have confidence in your u23s that they can step up in the event of injury, suspension or loss of form
  • you can’t send these players out on loan

Cotts still had the emergency loan system in place, which LJ hasn’t.  That does account for needing a bit of ‘bloat”.

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15 hours ago, Roger Red Hat said:

No it isn’t.

In your opinion. My opinion,he should have been given a chance,especially with the lack of goals from our forwards.

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I would like to know what up and coming players feel they have to do to get a chance with Johnson.

how many showed promise, never got a real chance and moved on to do ok? 

I know there were some that Johnson inherited and did not sign, but what about those for the future, are they not good enough because they were signed whether Johnson wanted them or not?

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3 hours ago, petehinton said:

What really grates Me is we’ve been pitched this as a ‘one for the future’ shit again. £1.8m was it? 

He’s a year older than Brownhill, O’Dowda, and Eliasson. Not exactly one for the future if players younger than him are already trusted first team players or big squad players. If he isn’t good enough or trusted to be in the same group as these, then why did we sign him?

I thought it was undisclosed.

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1 hour ago, forbespm said:

In your opinion. My opinion,he should have been given a chance,especially with the lack of goals from our forwards.

So you know he's ready to play at this level, you've seen him regularly in training?

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3 minutes ago, EmissionImpossible said:

I can’t quite work out why a lot of people seem to be calling for Eisa. I’m not sure what he’s done to earn being given a chance. If we were struggling in and around the relegation places then I could see the clamour for him to start. 

Why would he not be given a chance, Paterson starts nearly every game, looks lively but when the going gets tough he runs away, Dieheiu gets F all service, the players that could and should provide that don’t even start.  1-1 draws and 1-0 wins are still points but we should be achieving so much better. There is almost no connection between midfield and attack, especially when our 20 works so hard at not getting involved 

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17 minutes ago, dave36 said:

Why would he not be given a chance, Paterson starts nearly every game, looks lively but when the going gets tough he runs away, Dieheiu gets F all service, the players that could and should provide that don’t even start.  1-1 draws and 1-0 wins are still points but we should be achieving so much better. There is almost no connection between midfield and attack, especially when our 20 works so hard at not getting involved 

Yes.....so how is Eisa (a striker) the answer? I see your thinking as flawed, without doubt our midfield needs improving but if you drop Paterson and put in Eisa, it will weaken the midfield because whatever your view on Paterson, he adds legs to that midfield when needed.

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37 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

So you know he's ready to play at this level, you've seen him regularly in training?

Of course he hasn’t........Its LJ and his coaches that see him in training and assess whether they feel he’s ready for Championship.

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19 hours ago, Red Right Hand said:

I think he`s going to be loaned out in January and we didn`t want to risk anything today because of that.

Suppose he came on for the last five and got whacked by one of their defenders (always a possibility with a side like Rotherham) and the deal had to be shelved.

Apologies if this has already been confirmed, but it seems he's off to a 1ST Division side on loan.

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1 hour ago, Roger Red Hat said:

So you know he's ready to play at this level, you've seen him regularly in training?

No.have no clue,but think he deserves a chance to see what he can do.do you know he,s not ready to play at this level?

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