marcofisher Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 For the first time in a very long time, we can finally look at our defence and see an actual championship level defence. A rather stark contrast to our fantastic back line of 5 years ago which consisted of the full back extraordinaire Ricky Foster, the impassable Fontaine and Nyatanga, and the city legend Ryan Mcgivern who is still seeing Zaha traumatise him in his nightmares. The problem now seems to be that we have stockpiled in players that can play RB and CB, namely Pisano, Wright and then Vyner and Moore whom one would assume will be around the first team next year after Championship and League 1 loans respectively. So surely out of Pisano, Baker, Wright, Vyner and Moore we are going to have to let one or two of these players go. As far as I am aware, Pisano and Wright are out of contract in the summer with Wright having a 1 year option. Would you let these two go seeing as Pisano has been in good form recently and Wright has always looked a solid player at CB rather than RB? Or would you ship out Moore and Vyner perhaps to raise funds for other parts of the squad? Personally I wouldn't mind us taking a hit on Baker to free up wages, despite being a very good centre half on his day, thanks to injuries these days are too few and far between. It is fairly certain we will need a top drawer left back next year to replace Kelly and DaSilva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 Sell Baker, release Pisano. Spend both of their wages on Kalas!! ( plus more probably ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BessexRED Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 Hoping Da Silva will be signed permanently. I’d let Taylor Moore go, Vyner/Baker/Wright all can step in for Kalas if he doesn’t sign permanently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 I'd keep Pisano and Wright. Kelly and Baker should both be off by the summer. Is Kalas realistic for us? I hope so. Think we could see Vyner, Wright, Webster, Kalas as our main 4 CBs. Hunt and Pisano as our RBs I'm more than fine with. Left back is the worrying spot. Dasilva won't sign here you'd think. I rate Pring but think we'd need to sign a second one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 Im sure LJ and MA are fully aware of the defensive issues for next season. For all we know talks could be underway between City and Chelsea regarding both Dasilva and Kalas and no doubt at all the feelers are out looking for possible defensive replacements as well. Kalas in particular is a class act. I assume Vyner will be back in the fold at City having a seasons experience in the Championship at Rotherham so may well feature. Webster, Baker and Wright all decent CBs with Pisano also capable in the position as well. LB will be the issue when Kelly goes or if Dasilva goes back to Chelsea. That’ll be the position that will concern LJ the most and decent ones aren’t that easy to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 Think we'll let Pisano go, Vyner will come into the squad as competition for Hunt and cover at CB. Think Taylor Moore we'll try and find a championship loan for like Vyner this season. Bailey Wright will be retained, new contract or using the option, people say we have a lack of leaders and get the impression he's one on and off the pitch even if he's not in the XI. If Lloyd does leave I wouldn't be surprised if we tried getting Jay on loan again, convincing Chelsea by the fact he wouldn't have Lloyd to compete with. Baker would depend if we get any good offers or if he's happy just to stick around for rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 It's a bit of a long shot but at Fulham and Middlesbrough Kalas had 2 season loans or 18 month loans. He was younger then, but I wonder if Chelsea may consider similar with us? One more years loan here, then he gets sold on at approaching a prime age for a CB- mid to late 20's having (hopefully) shone here and maybe been part of if things go well, a playoff chasing side. A club in Europe, a lower midtable PL side or a Championship side flush with parachute payments may then be highly interested- if they aren't already- and willing to pay a big fee. I'd be more than happy to keep him for another year with the right finances etc, but how realistic it is...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 Sell Pisano. Kelly will go. Kalas will return and we cannot afford his wages. RB Hunt and Vyner LB Dasilva (loan or buy) Pring CB Baker, Webster, Wright, Moore Vyner and Moore can also cover at CB and RB respectively Saving circa £35k per week on the three leaving so invest that in a top striker and midfielder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 Is Pring ready for this level though? Even for cover... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 26 minutes ago, Shtanley said: I'd keep Pisano and Wright. Kelly and Baker should both be off by the summer. Is Kalas realistic for us? I hope so. Think we could see Vyner, Wright, Webster, Kalas as our main 4 CBs. Hunt and Pisano as our RBs I'm more than fine with. Left back is the worrying spot. Dasilva won't sign here you'd think. I rate Pring but think we'd need to sign a second one. Kalas on £22k per week apparently. Think that puts him slightly above our reach but I guess we could stretch if we wanted too. Would like to see Vyner and Moore being given a chance though. Rather spend £20k + on a midfielder or striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 Joint 2nd best defence in the championship I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 40 minutes ago, Shtanley said: I'd keep Pisano and Wright. Kelly and Baker should both be off by the summer. Is Kalas realistic for us? I hope so. Think we could see Vyner, Wright, Webster, Kalas as our main 4 CBs. Hunt and Pisano as our RBs I'm more than fine with. Left back is the worrying spot. Dasilva won't sign here you'd think. I rate Pring but think we'd need to sign a second one. Find it hard to disagree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 Kalas is the real deal and I think we'd all love to have him here permanently, that's if he's interested in staying of course. Unfortunately quality players like him cost, so he's not going to be cheap, we all know that, but if SL want's to reach the promised land then these are the sort of players we need to sign to get there. Does SL have that ambition? Some people say yes, some say no, and of course FFP comes into it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 No way Kalas is signing permanently, I don't think Dasilva will either unless we lose Kelly and even then I wonder if we can afford Dasilva wages to make it permanent. I think come the end of this season we'll be looking to add a CB and maybe even two LB's depending on Dasilva wages and Kelly's future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Spike said: No way Kalas is signing permanently, I don't think Dasilva will either unless we lose Kelly and even then I wonder if we can afford Dasilva wages to make it permanent. I think come the end of this season we'll be looking to add a CB and maybe even two LB's depending on Dasilva wages and Kelly's future. Think that is most likely, though a 2nd year of loan for Kalas would be very nice...if unlikely. Definitely agree on the 2nd bit- what with all the out of contract players, it maybe a big summer ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 We might sign all of these mind you, once we get promoted this season.......! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 Pisano release at end of season. Baker try to sell. Kalas will go back. Dasilva will return too. Extend Bailey Wright if he wants to stay. Lloyd Kelly will be sold. Get Taylor Moore another loan to L1 favourites or low champ(preferred but can’t be easy finding a club lower than us that will play an untried CB from a rival club). RB Vyner Hunt CB Webster Wright Vyner LB Pring Need another CB and LB minimum but will have Kelly and Baker money and the wages saved would be in the 70-80k range(25k kalas, 12k pisano, 20k baker, 10k dasilva, Moore 5k Kelly 7-8k roughly). Very fifa of me but that would be ideal scenario for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 16 minutes ago, nickolas said: We might sign all of these mind you, once we get promoted this season.......! And the 2019 Optimism Award goes to..... well done sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 31 minutes ago, nickolas said: We might sign all of these mind you, once we get promoted this season.......! I honestly think if we became a Prem team then Chelsea would look to up the price a lot or loan out to another team, I mean why sell a quality player to a team in the same league if you don't have to. Note: I know you're joking, just trying to reaffirm that the hope of signing Kalas permanently may be a little too optimistic by any standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fpcity Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 We've no chance of signing Kalas permanently, maybe a loan. Same with Da silva but we'd face competition from other sides especially from the premiership for Kalas. I'd sell Baker as he's probably on a lot of money for someone who is back up and Wright is just as good without the risk of him seeing red. Pring will probably be in or around the first team if he's as good as people say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Spike said: No way Kalas is signing permanently, I don't think Dasilva will either unless we lose Kelly and even then I wonder if we can afford Dasilva wages to make it permanent. I think come the end of this season we'll be looking to add a CB and maybe even two LB's depending on Dasilva wages and Kelly's future. I would be sending my best scout to watch Rotherham every week, and check out Ajayi and Vaulks. Ajayi looks a fine ball-playing but tough, ball-winning CB. Vaulks, who I expected to be a Limited holding DM, is in fact a much better footballer from 3 or 4 viewings this season. We could do with them getting relegated. Cue Agent Zak!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I would be sending my best scout to watch Rotherham every week, and check out Ajayi and Vaulks. Ajayi looks a fine ball-playing but tough, ball-winning CB. Vaulks, who I expected to be a Limited holding DM, is in fact a much better footballer from 3 or 4 viewings this season. We could do with them getting relegated. Cue Agent Zak!! So would I , in both cases And exactly the sort / size of Club that we should be targeting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I would be sending my best scout to watch Rotherham every week, and check out Ajayi and Vaulks. Ajayi looks a fine ball-playing but tough, ball-winning CB. Vaulks, who I expected to be a Limited holding DM, is in fact a much better footballer from 3 or 4 viewings this season. We could do with them getting relegated. Cue Agent Zak!! Ajayi is 25, big, strong but I've been wary of him for a while because living in Cardiff I remember him going to them and then being forever loaned out. That said I've not seen him enough to judge him but I'm always wary of Center Backs coming from teams near the bottom of the league :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Spike said: Ajayi is 25, big, strong but I've been wary of him for a while because living in Cardiff I remember him going to them and then being forever loaned out. That said I've not seen him enough to judge him but I'm always wary of Center Backs coming from teams near the bottom of the league I was unaware Cardiff got him from Arsenal as a youngster. Perfect age, 25. A ‘unit’ too. I don’t think Ajayi at CB is the root of their relegation battle. Smallest budget in the division I suspect. One for the summer I reckon. Vaulks I would make an offer for now. I really liked Norwood who went to Sheffield United. Vaulks no quite as good a passer, but has pretty much everything else and is more combative....perfect for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted January 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 Find it hard to believe that Pring will be in and around the first team next year considering his very limited involvement with Newport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 12 minutes ago, marcofisher said: Find it hard to believe that Pring will be in and around the first team next year considering his very limited involvement with Cheltenham. Would be hard to feature for Cheltenham when he's on loan at Newport, can't hold that against him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, marcofisher said: Find it hard to believe that Pring will be in and around the first team next year considering his very limited involvement with Cheltenham. Newport gave a very useful left back in Dan Butler....got a very good left peg. The rumours are that Pring isn’t far away. Wonder if he’ll go on loan somewhere else for the second half of the season??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Newport gave a very useful left back in Dan Butler....got a very good left peg. The rumours are that Pring isn’t far away. Wonder if he’ll go on loan somewhere else for the second half of the season??? I think if Kelly goes he may stick around and be our back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 5 hours ago, marcofisher said: Find it hard to believe that Pring will be in and around the first team next year considering his very limited involvement with Newport. Something you need to mention? Given your comment before the edit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 Nobody has mentioned Shinnie - I haven’t seen him, but BP seem to think we may still be interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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