Big C Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 hour ago, phantom said: I genuinely don't know the answer to these questions but: Are disabled toilets only meant for disabled people? Are disabled toilets only meant for physically disabled people? I'm pretty sure there are no restrictions to using a disable toilet. Its just down each persons individual conscience whether they do or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Big C said: I'm pretty sure there are no restrictions to using a disable toilet. Its just down each persons individual conscience whether they do or not In the "you can't be prosecuted for it" sense? Not sure how that helps the situation. Its because some people have no conscience that I'm asking for some help here. The toilets are privately owned and the owners can impose rules and or help the intended users with keys etc. Most establishments manage quite well with a similar approach and certainly wouldn't make do without radar locks where drinking men are present. BCFCs approach is nothing short of ignorant idiotic. If they asked any disability charity about having disabled toilets where beer is present I imagine most would say "you what? No locks? Are you mad? ". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 19, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: In the "you can't be prosecuted for it" sense? Not sure how that helps the situation. Its because some people have no conscience that I'm asking for some help here. The toilets are privately owned and the owners can impose rules and or help the intended users with keys etc. Most establishments manage quite well with a similar approach and certainly wouldn't make do without radar locks where drinking men are present. BCFCs approach is nothing short of ignorant idiotic. If they asked any disability charity about having disabled toilets where beer is present I imagine most would say "you what? No locks? Are you mad? ". That was why I was asking the questions above @CotswoldRed There seems to be this belief that these toilets are only for physically disable people (I include myself in this by the way) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, phantom said: That was why I was asking the questions above @CotswoldRed There seems to be this belief that these toilets are only for physically disable people (I include myself in this by the way) They are intended for use by disabled only. In the same way a disabled parking bay at an office or supermarket is. The problem is exacerbated significantly where alcohol is included making the restriction all the more necessary. I use the toilet with bags and blankets in tow and have to get a large chair and my son all sorted. A dropped blanket goes straight in the bin for obvious reasons. His wheels are covered in urine. Not nice when he has to drive the same wheel in the house whe he gets home - he can't take them off. Is there anything else marked disabled that non-disabled people are unsure about? My advice would be if it's marked disabled and you're either not sure if you are disabled or whether you can use it, don't use it, or check first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS2 Red Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 I have no idea if this is the case at Ashton Gate (my son is still too young to go!), but a lot of places put the baby changing facilities inside the disabled toilets. When changing stinky nappies, I always feel terrible that I am inside the disabled toilets potentially making a disabled person wait. I blame my son though, a well behaved child wouldn't poo in public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, BS2 Red said: I have no idea if this is the case at Ashton Gate (my son is still too young to go!), but a lot of places put the baby changing facilities inside the disabled toilets. When changing stinky nappies, I always feel terrible that I am inside the disabled toilets potentially making a disabled person wait. I blame my son though, a well behaved child wouldn't poo in public. Don't get me started on that. In short, however, the law states establishments can lump disabled facilities in this way. So they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 4 hours ago, phantom said: I genuinely don't know the answer to these questions but: Are disabled toilets only meant for disabled people? Are disabled toilets only meant for physically disabled people? I guess if someone needs assistance they should be allowed to use the toilet. My brother has Down syndrome and needs to be accompanied but he isn’t in a wheelchair. I would feel more comfortable taking him in a disabled toilet than the ladies and I couldn’t leave him to go in the men’s on his own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Parsons Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 10 hours ago, CotswoldRed said: Hi Dolls. I offered to pay for radar locks for the entire stadium years back, including a key for every disabled supporter. They weren't interested. Thanks Matt. @CotswoldRed @Dollymarie I have heard back from the Ashton Gate stadium team who have said that they are going to look at installing radar locks to the disabled concourse toilets. They will keep me posted when this will happen. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 5 hours ago, BS2 Red said: I have no idea if this is the case at Ashton Gate (my son is still too young to go!), but a lot of places put the baby changing facilities inside the disabled toilets. When changing stinky nappies, I always feel terrible that I am inside the disabled toilets potentially making a disabled person wait. I blame my son though, a well behaved child wouldn't poo in public. When I looked after the disabled child I used to look after (he’s 22 now) we used to have to go and use the “disabled loo” that they had put in the stationery cupboard at school. . . 41 minutes ago, Matt Parsons BCFCSLO said: @CotswoldRed @Dollymarie I have heard back from the Ashton Gate stadium team who have said that they are going to look at installing radar locks to the disabled concourse toilets. They will keep me posted when this will happen. Matt Thanks for this Matt, will wait to hear that this has finally happened. Not before time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 13 hours ago, Matt Parsons BCFCSLO said: @CotswoldRed @Dollymarie I have heard back from the Ashton Gate stadium team who have said that they are going to look at installing radar locks to the disabled concourse toilets. They will keep me posted when this will happen. Matt Thanks for your efforts Matt. That's great. I will temper my enthusiasm. They've "looked" at this before. Maybe a personal and peaceful protest on a match day will make sense if nothing happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 10 hours ago, CotswoldRed said: Thanks for your efforts Matt. That's great. I will temper my enthusiasm. They've "looked" at this before. Maybe a personal and peaceful protest on a match day will make sense if nothing happens. Dirty protest??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorksRed Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 One thing that I hadn’t thought about until it was explained to me was that disabled people sometimes need to be able to access the toilet immediately, it’s not just a case of needing easy access facilities/more space etc. Wouldn’t nip in now where there is a long queue for the other toilets thinking that it wouldnt cause anyone a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 3 hours ago, YorksRed said: One thing that I hadn’t thought about until it was explained to me was that disabled people sometimes need to be able to access the toilet immediately, it’s not just a case of needing easy access facilities/more space etc. Wouldn’t nip in now where there is a long queue for the other toilets thinking that it wouldnt cause anyone a problem. Even before I had a disabled child I'd never in a million years use a disabled toilet. In the same way I would borrow someone's wheelchair. Strange how different people can be.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorksRed Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: Even before I had a disabled child I'd never in a million years use a disabled toilet. In the same way I would borrow someone's wheelchair. Strange how different people can be.. Well I was just trying to make what I hoped was a helpful observation that might not have occurred to others either rather than set myself up to be shot at. That will learn me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBibs Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 27 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: Even before I had a disabled child I'd never in a million years use a disabled toilet. In the same way I would borrow someone's wheelchair. Strange how different people can be.. Good point. And why on earth do people piss on the floor? Would they do that in their own home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 9 hours ago, YorksRed said: Well I was just trying to make what I hoped was a helpful observation that might not have occurred to others either rather than set myself up to be shot at. That will learn me. Fair enough. I don't make any apology for being peed off with the way disabled people are treated. It's a ****fest on all too regular a basis. This month alone a teacher at my sons school suggested he might fancy a girl he'd seen on TV - the implication entirely because she was also in a wheelchair. My son went bowling yesterday. Other people from another group arrived in wheelchairs. "oh, your friends are here". Fortunately he's stronger than most able bodied wilting flowers. Its relentless at times so you have to fight your corner. That includes disabled toilets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS2 Red Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 9 hours ago, MrBibs said: Good point. And why on earth do people piss on the floor? Would they do that in their own home? Yes but only in the kids room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Rizzle Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 On 19/02/2019 at 08:26, CotswoldRed said: Hi Dave. Some would certainly buy a key but, fortunately, it would be a very small number. Those using the toilets at present (who shouldn't be) will always justify their actions and see it as a quick bit of opportunism and "oh I was just going to be quick". Buying a key to use it, however, is anything but. Because BCFC staff would have to carry a key when they were busting, evidently. That stance is arguably fair enough when out and about on a day to day basis but it doesn’t take a genius to realise that practically the whole stadium goes for a wee at half time including the disabled supporters in the ground. ”I was just going to be quick and didn’t think anyone would need to use it,” is illogical in a football stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieH Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 Quick update, Male who was arrested has been charged with racially aggravated offence link below (hopefully) http://socsi.in/NgHDJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twiglet Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 Completely agree with everybody stating that disabled toilets should be for disabled only...…….however stewards need to know this also. Twice recently I have been forcefully ushered from the back of queue for the ladies, along with the person queuing next to me, and shown to the disabled ones in corner of south and lansdown stand because 'it will be quicker'. On one occasion whilst waiting for one to become available I allowed 2 disable people to go ahead of me because I felt guilty about being there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted March 30, 2019 Report Share Posted March 30, 2019 On 22/02/2019 at 17:57, JulieH said: Quick update, Male who was arrested has been charged with racially aggravated offence link below (hopefully) http://socsi.in/NgHDJ https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-city-fan-avoids-ban-2701586.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true fined but avoided a football league banning order... Since the court decision the club have now banned him, see tweets from local journalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieH Posted March 30, 2019 Report Share Posted March 30, 2019 4 hours ago, !james said: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-city-fan-avoids-ban-2701586.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true fined but avoided a football league banning order... Since the court decision the club have now banned him, see tweets from local journalist. I am aware of this result and we are seeking advice with regards to an appeal regarding the banning order not being given by the court . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted March 30, 2019 Report Share Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, JulieH said: I am aware of this result and we are seeking advice with regards to an appeal regarding the banning order not being given by the court . Not defending the guy, he's clearly an ignorant plonker at best but once again where is this action in town centres on a Saturday night? I would say it's not worth an appeal and the waist of precious police and court resources. As stated he has no history, it would be unlikely for him to re-offend now he understands that it isn't the same as calling someone Welsh, he now knows the implications of his actions and the club has banned him anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted March 30, 2019 Report Share Posted March 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, Pezo said: Not defending the guy, he's clearly an ignorant plonker at best but once again where is this action in town centres on a Saturday night? I would say it's not worth an appeal and the waist of precious police and court resources. As stated he has no history, it would be unlikely for him to re-offend now he understands that it isn't the same as calling someone Welsh, he now knows the implications of his actions and the club has banned him anyway. Respectfully disagree. Find it hard that anybody fails to understand what using that word means. In recent times there have been numerous incidents where race has been involved. It's no good the UK authorities criticising Montenegran behaviour this week if this is the pitiful response at home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdliketoRogerMoore Posted March 30, 2019 Report Share Posted March 30, 2019 Snitches get stitches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted March 30, 2019 Report Share Posted March 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, steveybadger said: Respectfully disagree. Find it hard that anybody fails to understand what using that word means. In recent times there have been numerous incidents where race has been involved. It's no good the UK authorities criticising Montenegran behaviour this week if this is the pitiful response at home Like I said ignorant plonker at best, at least the line is now clear to him and he has been shown that the behaviour isn't acceptable and its not the same as what he thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted March 30, 2019 Report Share Posted March 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Pezo said: Like I said ignorant plonker at best, at least the line is now clear to him and he has been shown that the behaviour isn't acceptable and its not the same as what he thought. Certainly hope he has learned that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 31, 2019 Report Share Posted March 31, 2019 It's unacceptable conduct in the ground of course. He seems to have shown remorse. FSF Faircop has an interesting take. Dare say @JulieH has seen it already but if not, and indeed for all. https://mobile.twitter.com/FSF_FairCop/status/1111946048535216129 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Constant Rabbit Posted March 31, 2019 Report Share Posted March 31, 2019 10 hours ago, JulieH said: I am aware of this result and we are seeking advice with regards to an appeal regarding the banning order not being given by the court . Wow - he's been to court, not got a ban, and with all that's going on in the UK you want to waste time having a 2nd pop? He's banned by the club and been shamed by the press.It will cost him future employment advancement, and his family have also undoubtedly suffered for his ridiculous and offensive attitude and comments. He admits he is ashamed and is deeply regretful. He has apologised. Point made, move on. I'm sure someone got stabbed/glassed/knocked out in Bristol City Centre last night - why not go chase their assailant rather than block up a court for a 2nd time on the same bloke and same charge. If it makes you feel better,find a BAME/gay/disabled victim to tick your quota boxes...... Outstanding use of Police time and resources.Not. Oh, and to be clear - my son is gay, and he is in complete agreement that the attitude of the Police to chase down each and every alleged homophobic/Islamophobic etc offence is completely ignoring the huge bulk of crime which is NOT of that nature. IE - have 2 goes at this guy for shouting racist abuse (of which he has been to court, banned by club and shamed) and devoting massively lesser resources to finding the assailants of the multiple violent offences on WWC people. PC gone mad - and people wonder why we have Trump,Le Pen and Brexit....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC11 Posted March 31, 2019 Report Share Posted March 31, 2019 28 minutes ago, SX227 said: Wow - he's been to court, not got a ban, and with all that's going on in the UK you want to waste time having a 2nd pop? He's banned by the club and been shamed by the press.It will cost him future employment advancement, and his family have also undoubtedly suffered for his ridiculous and offensive attitude and comments. He admits he is ashamed and is deeply regretful. He has apologised. Point made, move on. I'm sure someone got stabbed/glassed/knocked out in Bristol City Centre last night - why not go chase their assailant rather than block up a court for a 2nd time on the same bloke and same charge. If it makes you feel better,find a BAME/gay/disabled victim to tick your quota boxes...... Outstanding use of Police time and resources.Not. Oh, and to be clear - my son is gay, and he is in complete agreement that the attitude of the Police to chase down each and every alleged homophobic/Islamophobic etc offence is completely ignoring the huge bulk of crime which is NOT of that nature. IE - have 2 goes at this guy for shouting racist abuse (of which he has been to court, banned by club and shamed) and devoting massively lesser resources to finding the assailants of the multiple violent offences on WWC people. PC gone mad - and people wonder why we have Trump,Le Pen and Brexit....... Agree with most of this tbf, when you read that after having their homes ransacked by low lives breaking in and stealing whatever they can find, Police don’t even come out and investigate in most cases these days, just get given a poxy crime reference number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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