downendcity Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Haha, thought there were hints of this at least! Blige! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 41 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: But, but, he wears a suit, and he uses the language of people in his profession and he doesn't stand on the terraces, buy pints for the lads or shout abuse at people in a Bristolian accent...... Essentially your point is that people don't like him because he's corporate in his approach - that's not exactly true. People aren't stupid, they know he has to be corporate. What people object to are easy things to cut out - using more normal turn of phrase (not just cliches or buzzwords). Not talking in riddles, not hiding away during periods of bad form.. if he cut out those things people wouldn't be bothered by him as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Cheesey Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 I know MA has had his critics, but after seeing the Sunderland documentary on Netflix it made me realise what a well run club we are. Personally I'm happy with the long term strategy we have in place. Patience is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 45 minutes ago, Ragnar said: Essentially your point is that people don't like him because he's corporate in his approach - that's not exactly true. People aren't stupid, they know he has to be corporate. What people object to are easy things to cut out - using more normal turn of phrase (not just cliches or buzzwords). Not talking in riddles, not hiding away during periods of bad form.. if he cut out those things people wouldn't be bothered by him as much. All those criticisms detract from whether he is doing a good job or not, I think overall he is. If others think he isn't they should make specific criticisms, not focus on his inconsequential little foibles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonPark Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 7 hours ago, Johnny Musicworks said: LJ said I think 1 in =2 out and 2 in =3 out so Eisa on loan as a given I think and probably Taylor too assuming it’s 2 strikers coming in . Both incoming probably on big wages meaning a big wage might need to be shipped out so maybe Fielding as we were looking at Preston keeper or Baker who is dropping down the pecking order. Bobby Reid back for a few months would be interesting, if we are going for it. We are nowhere near being able to afford bobbys wages now. That boat has long gone, like people wanting us to get Tammy back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: All those criticisms detract from whether he is doing a good job or not, I think overall he is. If others think he isn't they should make specific criticisms, not focus on his inconsequential little foibles. Mrs Ashton is telling him to see the Doctor about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Musicworks Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, AshtonPark said: We are nowhere near being able to afford bobbys wages now. That boat has long gone, like people wanting us to get Tammy back. The same has been said of Sheffield United who are taking on Madine at £30k + per week as did Cardiff last season. It’s a gamble on promotion but only for a few months and much cheaper than a 3/4 year contract for a lesser player. We know Bobby is getting little game time and will probably be sold off after one season so pay his wages for 4 months he fits straight in perfect foil for Fam and a shot at the play-offs. Even if it didn’t work I could see SL sanctioning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Kasey Palmer it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Kasey Palmer it is You seen the goals to game ratio? It doesnt fill me with confidence. Fingers crossed they have seen enough in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 23 minutes ago, AshtonPark said: We are nowhere near being able to afford bobbys wages now. That boat has long gone, like people wanting us to get Tammy back. Yep. Think Tim Shires was saying that any club wanting to sign Tammy will need to beat his current £55k per week plus goal, win and promotion bonus that he is getting from Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, RUSSEL85 said: You seen the goals to game ratio? It doesnt fill me with confidence. Fingers crossed they have seen enough in him. Certain players don’t suit certain clubs or systems IMO. He done very well at Huddersfield. We seem to have a very good relationship with Chelsea though. Which can only be good for the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Certain players don’t suit certain clubs or systems IMO. He done very well at Huddersfield. We seem to have a very good relationship with Chelsea though. Which can only be good for the future I hope your right, just need to trust the club on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, RUSSEL85 said: I hope your right, just need to trust the club on this one. Me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 52 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: All those criticisms detract from whether he is doing a good job or not, I think overall he is. If others think he isn't they should make specific criticisms, not focus on his inconsequential little foibles. It’s obviously a positive if fans warm to him too. A few less business speak cliches would do wonders for his popularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonPark Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 42 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said: The same has been said of Sheffield United who are taking on Madine at £30k + per week as did Cardiff last season. It’s a gamble on promotion but only for a few months and much cheaper than a 3/4 year contract for a lesser player. We know Bobby is getting little game time and will probably be sold off after one season so pay his wages for 4 months he fits straight in perfect foil for Fam and a shot at the play-offs. Even if it didn’t work I could see SL sanctioning it. Surely bobby isn’t worth 30k a week to us? you think that is probably well over double what’s our top players are on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just listening to it now, seems pretty good tbh. Da Silva, Palmer was one of the 2 referred to I am guessing. Good to hear he has been pushing hard on FFP too because as he said, it's not fair on clubs such as us who do the right thing not to have strong penalties for those who don't. Sounds like the business side of the club is in fairly capable hands between him and SL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 At the end of the day, plans might be in place for running the club, but we are still in a situation where we are buying players in who arent any better than what we have already got and spending millions doing it, and its happening on his watch. MA, LJ and a few others are making a great living, the players are making a great living but we arent actually acheiving anything, and we are getting to the point now that his players that hes signed are being moved on because they arent good enough. When results and signings back up the b.s corporate speak, then i will tolerate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Musicworks Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 45 minutes ago, AshtonPark said: Surely bobby isn’t worth 30k a week to us? you think that is probably well over double what’s our top players are on. If a player makes the difference between top half and top six then what is £30k per week for a few months. I’m thinking Kasey will be close to that. Tammy’s move to Villa was with no loan fee just big salary so swings and roundabouts. If a player comes in at £30k per week and gets us to the promised land then it’s relative peanuts and promotion bonuses for the other players will mitigate any envious thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said: If a player makes the difference between top half and top six then what is £30k per week for a few months. I’m thinking Kasey will be close to that. Tammy’s move to Villa was with no loan fee just big salary so swings and roundabouts. If a player comes in at £30k per week and gets us to the promised land then it’s relative peanuts and promotion bonuses for the other players will mitigate any envious thoughts. Just being in the top 6 wouldnt be worth a 30k per week loan, going up either auto or in the play offs would be worth it, and as good as bobby was last season, i can think that his signing right now would make that much difference to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 9 hours ago, Up The City! said: Expensive dross, have a word with your self will you, go and have a lie down in a cold dark room. Yea that Webster really is dross, and Kalos. While I'm there can you learn to read? Do the words "last season" seem confusing to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Musicworks Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, simon uk said: Just being in the top 6 wouldnt be worth a 30k per week loan, going up either auto or in the play offs would be worth it, and as good as bobby was last season, i can think that his signing right now would make that much difference to us Nine games unbeaten, a massively improved defence and all we are lacking is a Bobby type player to transform draws into wins and I think it might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 16 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Sounds m like Villa on loan with option to buy Have you heard something or? Hope not firstly because he's got stay for now surely and secondly can't stand Villa after recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoxton casual Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, simon uk said: At the end of the day, plans might be in place for running the club, but we are still in a situation where we are buying players in who arent any better than what we have already got and spending millions doing it, and its happening on his watch. MA, LJ and a few others are making a great living, the players are making a great living but we arent actually acheiving anything, and we are getting to the point now that his players that hes signed are being moved on because they arent good enough. When results and signings back up the b.s corporate speak, then i will tolerate it. Webster Kelly Kalas Maenpaa Dasilva Brownhill Odowda Eliason, Semenyo. Need any more. They got Diony wrong and he admitted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoxton casual Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Also what he reported on Premier League clubs regularly asking about our players, and our loans attracting interest from clubs in higher divisions was good to hear - if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, hoxton casual said: Webster Kelly Kalas Maenpaa Dasilva Brownhill Odowda Eliason, Semenyo. Need any more. They got Diony wrong and he admitted it. You seem to have forgotten engvall, hegeler, djuric, taylor, eisa, moore, geifer, kent and probably a few more that ive consigned to the dark parts of my mind that hopefully wont be visited anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoxton casual Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Engvall hugely embarrassing, the others I would not put as failures apart from Hegeler and Gieffer. Not a bad track record imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, simon uk said: You seem to have forgotten engvall, hegeler, djuric, taylor, eisa, moore, geifer, kent and probably a few more that ive consigned to the dark parts of my mind that hopefully wont be visited anytime soon. I'd take out Djuric (injuries were unlucky), Taylor (cheap fee that been paid off with his contributions) and Moore (still only 21, Reid and Bryan were playing the same standard at the same age) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 I can never understand the use of "failed" transfers as a stick to batter a manager. Ferguson, who for many is the greatest manager the modern game has seen, signed the likes of Bebe, Djemba-Djemba, Veron, Obertan and Ralph ******* Milne! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, hodge said: I'd take out Djuric (injuries were unlucky), Taylor (cheap fee that been paid off with his contributions) and Moore (still only 21, Reid and Bryan were playing the same standard at the same age) Would also argue that Hegeler was undone by a mix of injuries and LJ's aversion to a true midfield central 3. Now perhaps he shouldn't have been signed in the first place but he showed decent ability when he first joined. @ExiledAjax Veron was a great player in modern times, just didn't quite work for him in England. Happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: I can never understand the use of "failed" transfers as a stick to batter a manager. Ferguson, who for many is the greatest manager the modern game has seen, signed the likes of Bebe, Djemba-Djemba, Veron, Obertan and Ralph ******* Milne! Yes but fergusons list of trophies means he actually achieved huge success, and had to rebuild his team on numerous occasions over 20 odd years. Lj has never won anything and anyone trusting him and ashton with say a 20 million transfer budget would be mad, based on what hes signed in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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