Cowshed Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Robbored said: It’s a simple enough article Cowshed - showing how well LJ has done given the loss of three first team regulars last season along the financial restrictions he’s had to work under. No need for background data - just simple easily proven stats/facts compiled into the article. Its a pat on the back for LJ in other words. In regards to points and expenditure with no emojis, no I cant be bothered, no you still you are not getting it, and no aspersions about intelligence can you explain why? 54 minutes ago, Robbored said: You’re doing what LJ has been accused of - over complicated things. Its a simple enough article Cowshed and I’m not sure why you’re labouring some kind of point. I can only assume that you’ve dismissed it because of its lack of an index? That is an emoji. A fact. I dismissed the article because it is not using facts. Nowhere in that article does it use evidence to highlight expenditure and points won. The journalist is using opinion. Much of football analytics is of real value, but in regards to points and finance even experts and writers of the fine books like the ones mentioned can find themselves far apart in their conclusions. Without detail any crap can be written. A crap timescale? We could do Bristol City Jan - April 2018. Different period of months, different points yield versus expenditure. In your post you are indicating a period - Three first regulars not being present. Your timescale and the journalists(?) is being judged by months. Or is it? The article does not provide that detail. Its piss poor journalism which you take to leap to conclusions ... Or take for another strange wind up. 48 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: So..........is there any evidence......or no evidence..... and if there is evidence.......what is it evidence of.............. Without evidence to underline the fact its an opinion. Now that is fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cowshed said: The article does not provide that detail. Its piss poor journalism which you take to leap to conclusions ... Or take for another strange wind up. It's an opinion piece CS, not the latest Shakespeare sonnet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cowshed said: In regards to points and expenditure with no emojis, no I cant be bothered, no you still you are not getting it, and no aspersions about intelligence can you explain why? That is an emoji. A fact. I dismissed the article because it is not using facts. Nowhere in that article does it use evidence to highlight expenditure and points won. The journalist is using opinion. Much of football analytics is of real value, but in regards to points and finance even experts and writers of the fine books like the ones mentioned can find themselves far apart in their conclusions. Without detail any crap can be written. A crap timescale? We could do Bristol City Jan - April 2018. Different period of months, different points yield versus expenditure. In your post you are indicating a period - Three first regulars not being present. Your timescale and the journalists(?) is being judged by months. Or is it? The article does not provide that detail. Its piss poor journalism which you take to leap to conclusions ... Or take for another strange wind up. Without evidence to underline the fact its an opinion. Now that is fact. I really don’t know how to respond Cowshed........other than the words molehill and mountain............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 First win at Sunderland for 25 years last season First win at QPR this season for 41 years First win at Ipswich last season for 39 years last season First win at Stoke for 24 years this season (give or take 17 days) First away win on New Year's Day for 116 years Sunderland were ****** **** QPR were losing to everyone at the time (and usually by a shed load of goals) Ipswich, look at the table Stoke, about to fire Mr. "Your football is jolly rotten" Rowett First away win on New Years Day for an eternity !!! Can't see what this has to do with anything much Not denying that LJ is on a good run, but "Overturning Bristol City history"? ffs Give over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, Cowshed said: Without evidence to underline the fact its an opinion. Now that is fact. Err, well, no. You are struggling with the basic concept of facts. Bristol Rovers are below Bristol City in the football league tables. I will provide you with no evidence but it is a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 Amuses me that people keep bring up these facts about "we haven't won there for 50 years" but fail to mention how many games that entails. Could be 5 or it could be 50 but on its own it is a meaningless stat. It may well be factual but it is totally meaningless in itself and can't be held up as any sort of evidence that LJ is some sort of record breaker. Pretty pointless article really and entirely subjective rather than objective imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 It seems to be someone’s opinion on how LJ is doing. The only interesting bit for me is that it’s someone not connected with the club. I think it’s pretty well known that LJ is held in pretty high regard outside our club. It’s only amongst our own fans that opinions are so divided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 49 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: First win at Sunderland for 25 years last season First win at QPR this season for 41 years First win at Ipswich last season for 39 years last season First win at Stoke for 24 years this season (give or take 17 days) First away win on New Year's Day for 116 years Sunderland were ****** **** QPR were losing to everyone at the time (and usually by a shed load of goals) Ipswich, look at the table Stoke, about to fire Mr. "Your football is jolly rotten" Rowett First away win on New Years Day for an eternity !!! Can't see what this has to do with anything much Not denying that LJ is on a good run, but "Overturning Bristol City history"? ffs Give over. All valid facts tho - an issue that Cowshed seems to have a problem with....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 Jesus - some serious over analysing going on here. The Bristol Post is the type of thing you read on the shitter. It was a lazy article but not worthy of such dissection. Typical post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 hour ago, AppyDAZE said: First win at Sunderland for 25 years last season First win at QPR this season for 41 years First win at Ipswich last season for 39 years last season First win at Stoke for 24 years this season (give or take 17 days) First away win on New Year's Day for 116 years Sunderland were ****** **** QPR were losing to everyone at the time (and usually by a shed load of goals) Ipswich, look at the table Stoke, about to fire Mr. "Your football is jolly rotten" Rowett First away win on New Years Day for an eternity !!! Can't see what this has to do with anything much Not denying that LJ is on a good run, but "Overturning Bristol City history"? ffs Give over. But facts none the less! COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 2 hours ago, AppyDAZE said: First win at Sunderland for 25 years last season First win at QPR this season for 41 years First win at Ipswich last season for 39 years last season First win at Stoke for 24 years this season (give or take 17 days) First away win on New Year's Day for 116 years Sunderland were ****** **** QPR were losing to everyone at the time (and usually by a shed load of goals) Ipswich, look at the table Stoke, about to fire Mr. "Your football is jolly rotten" Rowett First away win on New Years Day for an eternity !!! Can't see what this has to do with anything much Not denying that LJ is on a good run, but "Overturning Bristol City history"? ffs Give over. Don't forget the draw at Wolves? Not to be sniffed at that. For us. And a win at Brum. Plus, he followed up Cotts' win at Brammall Lane - our first since 1957 there - with another in our next visit! And, four consecutive wins at Fulham, making a nice away day ever nicer - four times. Then he's give us draws at Derby, Newcastle and Leeds (try and forget the advantages lost there) and a win at Forest. Blimey, I'm gonna start going away again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Moments of Pleasure said: Don't forget the draw at Wolves? Not to be sniffed at that. For us. And a win at Brum. Plus, he followed up Cotts' win at Brammall Lane - our first since 1957 there - with another in our next visit! And, four consecutive wins at Fulham, making a nice away day ever nicer - four times. Then he's give us draws at Derby, Newcastle and Leeds (try and forget the advantages lost there) and a win at Forest. Blimey, I'm gonna start going away again.... And the roads.......don’t forget the roads...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 10 hours ago, NickJ said: You have no way of knowing if it's objective. However... Judging by the one sided arguments in favour of LJ - eg "first win at Sunderland for 25 years" - when we've only payed at Sunderland 4 times in that period, I'd say it's anything but objective. Similarly "first win at QPR in 41 years" when we've only played at QPR 9 times in that period. Similarly "first win at Stoke in 24 years" when we've only played at Stoke 6 times in that period. The "first away win on New Years Day in 116 years" is a belter. Somebody has taken a lot of time to research these meaningless facts. In the article Gregor McGregor talks about many meaningless records such as this but fails to mention the record breaking losing streak, and has IMO by writing such a one sided article made himself look a bit of a crap journalist. Nevertheless I very much doubt that McGregor would have carried out this research, so this begs the question, who supplied it to him? I just tweeted a very similar reply to him....I get on well with Gregor (we DM a fair bit), but he hasn’t responded to that one!!! For me, the piece is a bit random....there would be much better subjects to write positively about LJ on than “breaking records”. I don’t think it’s objective imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I just tweeted a very similar reply to him....I get on well with Gregor (we DM a fair bit), but he hasn’t responded to that one!!! For me, the piece is a bit random....there would be much better subjects to write positively about LJ on than “breaking records”. I don’t think it’s objective imho. Not a general criticism of the guy - because it’s probably a tough job at the Post. But this one seems a bit thrown together and too selective in it’s telling of history. My guess is he genuinely had a conversation with someone who uses the data and LJ came up - but it was probably in the pub or something and so he’s fleshed out the details himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, Alessandro said: Not a general criticism of the guy - because it’s probably a tough job at the Post. But this one seems a bit thrown together and too selective in it’s telling of history. My guess is he genuinely had a conversation with someone who uses the data and LJ came up - but it was probably in the pub or something and so he’s fleshed out the details himself. Yeah, I think he’s doing a really good job at the Post. Had a shaky start, but he’s built a good, solid relationship with the club. He does like his stats, xG and all that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allwaysred Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 4 hours ago, bcfcredandwhite said: It seems to be someone’s opinion on how LJ is doing. The only interesting bit for me is that it’s someone not connected with the club. I think it’s pretty well known that LJ is held in pretty high regard outside our club. It’s only amongst our own fans that opinions are so divided. He had a few offers from premier league clubs in academy roles especially Arsenal I believe before he decided this was the correct decision. With what he's been given and had taken away the mans done a decent job and all being realistic with our wage structure is there anyone really better at this moment in time??? NOPE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 The “records” as evidence was a silly aside. The main point was that some respected figures - eg the Brighton owner - think LJ is doing well, based on a complicated algorithm. Unless that is a lie (which Cowshed has implied it could be;why?) then it is an interesting fact. We don’t need to see the algorithm to take interest in that. We don’t know the identities of the contacts, but reporters don’t need to name their sources. We either trust them to tell the truth as they see it or not. I see no reason why GMcG should make this stuff up. Yes it’s a puff piece, but the positive information is likely to be correct. How accurate the actual algorithm is, is another issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 14 hours ago, Robbored said: I really don’t know how to respond Cowshed........other than the words molehill and mountain............ Well you did not answer the points and used a emoji. You responded as predicted. You do the same virtually everytime. You repeat this theme everyday. According to posters you repeat this year upon year. That is a mountainous amount of posting out of a molehill. 14 hours ago, Robin1988 said: It's an opinion piece CS, not the latest Shakespeare sonnet. It was a response to Robboreds post and his points about facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 13 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said: Jesus - some serious over analysing going on here. The Bristol Post is the type of thing you read on the shitter. It was a lazy article but not worthy of such dissection. Typical post That was my thought exactly...:laugh: All a bit pedantic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 Too much politeness being displayed to Robboreds posts. Its not what he wants. He wants insults. Anger. He isn't getting it. He wants the climax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sixtyseconds said: Too much politeness being displayed to Robboreds posts. Its not what he wants. He wants insults. Anger. He isn't getting it. He wants the climax Bit harsh I feel- he seems to have improved his posting a bit this year/post Christmas. Less gratuitous GJ bashing a notable theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 Nah .. Same old same old. Use the top shelf. Mucky Pup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Bit harsh I feel- he seems to have improved his posting a bit this year/post Christmas. Less gratuitous GJ bashing a notable theme. New Year resolution....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 46 minutes ago, spudski said: That was my thought exactly...:laugh: All a bit pedantic. Absolutely and all down to Cowshed over complicating a simple LJ related article.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokes7 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 Saying Howe has little money to spend is this the same Howe that just spent 19m on a striker :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Absolutely and all down to Cowshed over complicating a simple LJ related article.... Each to their own I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 22 hours ago, Drew Peacock said: It has all been on OTIB and the BBC. OK, but I still find myself wondering, who, other than somebody who is very keen on Lee Johnson, would trawl through the history books to establish facts which prove nothing but nevertheless attempt to demonstrate what a wonderful job Lee Johnson is doing?! 21 hours ago, Robbored said: It has but NickJ must have missed it............... Correct. 15 hours ago, Davefevs said: I just tweeted a very similar reply to him....I get on well with Gregor (we DM a fair bit), but he hasn’t responded to that one!!! For me, the piece is a bit random....there would be much better subjects to write positively about LJ on than “breaking records”. I don’t think it’s objective imho. Yes, up till that I had thought he was quite a decent journalist but that piece makes him just look like Lee Johnson's spin doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, NickJ said: Yes, up till that I had thought he was quite a decent journalist but that piece makes him just look like Lee Johnson's spin doctor. Because you don’t agree with him? Try looking at it from Gregors pov - no local sports journalist would risk pissing off LJ by posting a negative article about City as Richard Latham did with Joe Jordan who then banned him from press conferences..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 17 minutes ago, NickJ said: OK, but I still find myself wondering, who, other than somebody who is very keen on Lee Johnson, would trawl through the history books to establish facts which prove nothing but nevertheless attempt to demonstrate what a wonderful job Lee Johnson is doing?! But it's not someone "trawling" through "the history books", is it? It's nothing more than a database search or a spreadsheet filter. Done in seconds, not some astounding research which exemplifies the best of human effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Lions Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 18 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said: Jesus - some serious over analysing going on here. The Bristol Post is the type of thing you read on the shitter. It was a lazy article but not worthy of such dissection. Typical post The opening poster thinks its gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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