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Never to the dark side

Swansea have sold their full allocation of 2,500 tickets

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shame tbh, think a good away following always adds to the atmosphere at AG and lifts the home supporters. Made my first trip to the gate this season on sat and bloody hell, could hear a pin drop for vast stretches of the match :( 

granted, that's been an ongoing issue for some time, but cutting away numbers is not the way to encourage a livelier atmosphere, and frankly, i don't care if the argument is that they gave us a small allocation themselves. Two wrongs don't make a right! 

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7 minutes ago, poland_exile said:

shame tbh, think a good away following always adds to the atmosphere at AG and lifts the home supporters. Made my first trip to the gate this season on sat and bloody hell, could hear a pin drop for vast stretches of the match :( 

granted, that's been an ongoing issue for some time, but cutting away numbers is not the way to encourage a livelier atmosphere, and frankly, i don't care if the argument is that they gave us a small allocation themselves. Two wrongs don't make a right! 

Exactly this. What are people scared of..?! 

Sell them as many as we can for the Atyeo stand and bring it on..! 

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11 minutes ago, poland_exile said:

shame tbh, think a good away following always adds to the atmosphere at AG and lifts the home supporters. Made my first trip to the gate this season on sat and bloody hell, could hear a pin drop for vast stretches of the match :( 

granted, that's been an ongoing issue for some time, but cutting away numbers is not the way to encourage a livelier atmosphere, and frankly, i don't care if the argument is that they gave us a small allocation themselves. Two wrongs don't make a right! 

Agree fully. However the new rule appears to be around 10% of allocation/2,500 or in that general ballpark and tbh it is a sign of the times as it is more prevalent in the modern game now.

Flipside is that if their fans are in the upper part of the Atyeo or the bulk of it, they're further away from the pitch and less influence. However taking club loyalty out of it, big away followings good for the game IMO.

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Big away following is good for the away side. All stood, all singing. Stand up in the home sections you will be told to sit down.

Also bigger away following = bigger police presence in the ground and the general vicinity and I believe the club pays for that.

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1 hour ago, Never to the dark side said:

Don't think they will be getting any more,

we were allocated just under 2,000 and we won

Can't say for sure whether there will be any one called "Andy" or "Adam" 'mongst that 2500, Neville, but I can assure you, mate, there'll be plenty of "Jacks."

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23 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

Big away following is good for the away side. All stood, all singing. Stand up in the home sections you will be told to sit down.

Also bigger away following = bigger police presence in the ground and the general vicinity and I believe the club pays for that.

Been part of a few decent away followings, including Millwall back in April last year and much to my surprise, quite a few around me were sat. Was quite annoying as me and mates were quite inclined to stand and when you stand at football game like that you're more likely to sing- fairly high up in the block too so that surprised me.

Ironically, I remember Palace away about 8 years ago though a relatively small away following in Jan 2011- Holmesdale End or whatever they call themselves- Fanatics I think- were stood but Palace stewards made us away fans sit. Never seen that anywhere else!

In general, it helps if an area where persistent standing is tolerated- think the singing section at AG- is right near the away fans. Atmosphere, back and forth helps spread then. Away fans allowed to stand in the main due to way its evolved over the years, getting them to sit won't be likely and unlikely to help safety. Then we had East End reopened with allowances for standing pre redevelopment and if it could be possible, though you want a singing/persistently standing area behind the goal, lower Dolman maybe- right in line with away fans there and putting more vocal away fans there could enhance things.

@Super Reckon the club see it as easier to control, especially if fans are in the upper half or the upper half and a little bit of the lower, easier to prevent pitch invaders etc.

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57 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Exactly this. What are people scared of..?! 

Sell them as many as we can for the Atyeo stand and bring it on..! 

For some reason we prefer to see empty seats.

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1 hour ago, BlueDredd said:

I hope there’s ample parking at Ashton Gate to accommodate a thousand two berth caravan’s.

You would know

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4 hours ago, Loon plage said:

Big away following is good for the away side. All stood, all singing. Stand up in the home sections you will be told to sit down.

Also bigger away following = bigger police presence in the ground and the general vicinity and I believe the club pays for that.

Yes more revenue often means higher cost of doing business. 2500 will make a cracking atmosphere. Another big game SL is loving it!

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16 minutes ago, harrys said:

Easily their nearest game of the season, will be a nice day out for them

but hopefully not too "nice" for them

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Reading the usual drivel on the Swansea forum about 100's getting tickets for the home ends or travelling without tickets.

Good luck with that taking into account the clubs ticketing process and the "warm" welcome given to like-minded Leeds fans

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10 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

Reading the usual drivel on the Swansea forum about 100's getting tickets for the home ends or travelling without tickets.

Good luck with that taking into account the clubs ticketing process and the "warm" welcome given to like-minded Leeds fans

Isn't it.

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14 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

Reading the usual drivel on the Swansea forum about 100's getting tickets for the home ends or travelling without tickets.

Good luck with that taking into account the clubs ticketing process and the "warm" welcome given to like-minded Leeds fans

A few probably could get in fairly unnoticed if they keep a low profile but overall yeah we've heard it all before.

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30 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

Reading the usual drivel on the Swansea forum about 100's getting tickets for the home ends or travelling without tickets.

Good luck with that taking into account the clubs ticketing process and the "warm" welcome given to like-minded Leeds fans

Villa & Brum also came out with that nonsense 

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9 minutes ago, harrys said:

Villa & Brum also came out with that nonsense 

Know 2 Villa fans who subsequently told me they were in Lansdown in September so there will have been some dotted around the place. Low profile though!

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27 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Hi Swansea fans reading here having been linked to the thread 👋

Big numbers of fans in home ends? Well we have a pretty good system so I can't see it myself.

Was it two seasons ago where Newcastle, Villa and Brum fans got escorted out of hospitality between South stand and Lansdown. I genuinely feared for them after the amount of people running down steps to get to them. Saw bottles and all sorts chucked at them.

So Swansea fans if you do go in home ends don't cheer ffs !😂

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Swansea game gonna be a proper atmosphere at AG.

Big away followings make it a proper day out at AG. I like seeing the ground close to full but we need to get behind the lads more. COYRs.

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11 hours ago, CodeRed said:

They are well supported away....   ...any opportunity to leave South Wales is gratefully taken even if it's only for a few hours!

Especially now there’s no bridge tolls....

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3 hours ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

Was it two seasons ago where Newcastle, Villa and Brum fans got escorted out of hospitality between South stand and Lansdown. I genuinely feared for them after the amount of people running down steps to get to them. Saw bottles and all sorts chucked at them.

So Swansea fans if you do go in home ends don't cheer ffs !😂

Bottles? Really? I didn’t see that, but not sure how many people take a bottle into the stadium these days....

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1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Bottles? Really? I didn’t see that, but not sure how many people take a bottle into the stadium these days....

Exactly what we were saying around us. Also some of the projectiles were hitting more city fans than them.

Come to think of it a poster on here apologised for his behaviour on one of the occasions 

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5 hours ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

Was it two seasons ago where Newcastle, Villa and Brum fans got escorted out of hospitality between South stand and Lansdown. I genuinely feared for them after the amount of people running down steps to get to them. Saw bottles and all sorts chucked at them.

So Swansea fans if you do go in home ends don't cheer ffs !😂

How does this hospitality thing work then? Away fans in home areas for hospitality fairly de rigueur these days isn't it- but yes it was 2 seasons ago, definitely.

Dunno where else you would put them really. Guess no colours or signs of being away fans, certainly in view of home fans, part of the quid pro quo? Dunno though, never done hospitality or similar.

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Think it was after consultation because of the amount of Swansea fans planning to travel without a ticket, this way they're in one place 

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14 minutes ago, hodge said:

Think it was after consultation because of the amount of Swansea fans planning to travel without a ticket, this way they're in one place 

(I'm not directing this personally at you @hodge just asking generally)

How would they know how many people would travel to the game without a ticket?

Surely people wouldn't travel as it would be clear that their allocation was sold out - this is a regular thing for Swansea (selling out) seems an odd thing to do

Maybe @JulieH has had some conversations about it? Assuming it wasn't a club decision?

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I took a quick look at a Swansea forum and apparently similar happened at Reading away.

However, I'm sure @JulieH and @Matt Parsons BCFCSLO can offer some clarity on why the higher allocation. Unless it was purely because of travelling without ticket in large numbers posing a security risk. There was talk of Swansea fans buying in hospitality.

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3 minutes ago, phantom said:

 

Surely people wouldn't travel as it would be clear that their allocation was sold out - this is a regular thing for Swansea (selling out) seems an odd thing to do

 

Knuckle draggers keen for a dust up?

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2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I took a quick look at a Swansea forum and apparently similar happened at Reading away.

However, I'm sure @JulieH and @Matt Parsons BCFCSLO can offer some clarity on why the higher allocation. Unless it was purely because of travelling without ticket in large numbers posing a security risk. There was talk of Swansea fans buying in hospitality.

But where does it stop?

They could demand even more saying there is still the threat of these people travelling over?

Surely if there is a ceiling on the numbers allowed that is it. Not sure how it is treating supporters from other clubs that wouldn't be given any additional allocation

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2 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

Knuckle draggers keen for a dust up?

So rather than assuming these people didn't get tickets in the initial allocation, there is now the opportunity to buy a ticket to ensure they will be in Bristol now, whereas most likely if they hadn't had a ticket the same numbers would not have travelled

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1 minute ago, phantom said:

But where does it stop?

They could demand even more saying there is still the threat of these people travelling over?

Surely if there is a ceiling on the numbers allowed that is it. Not sure how it is treating supporters from other clubs that wouldn't be given any additional allocation

Didn't Villa get their allocation raised too from memory- this season I mean?

I agree with your post broadly though, equal treatment is necessary here and I think 3,300 or whatever it is will be the cap- mind you I wrongly assumed that we would stick to our own rules/allocation on this so...it may solve the risk of away fans in home ends or it could just encourage more to travel, hard to know how it pans out.

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11 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I took a quick look at a Swansea forum and apparently similar happened at Reading away.

However, I'm sure @JulieH and @Matt Parsons BCFCSLO can offer some clarity on why the higher allocation. Unless it was purely because of travelling without ticket in large numbers posing a security risk. There was talk of Swansea fans buying in hospitality.

The decision around Ticket allocations for away fans always resides with the home club and it is their decision . 

 

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2 minutes ago, JulieH said:

The decision around Ticket allocations for away fans always resides with the home club and it is their decision . 

 

Interesting that this decision was not based on safety issues then, more about £££ 

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So there won’t be any segregation from the pitch? Like there has been recently when other clubs have sold out.

Seems like everytime we play a welsh club, they always get the better treatment. Been Cardiff away in recent times has been nothing but hassle in regards to policing, tickets and KO times.

Edit: Wasn’t our game at Cardiff last season a midday kick off on a Sunday?

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8 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

So there won’t be any segregation from the pitch? Like there has been recently when other clubs have sold out.

Seems like everytime we play a welsh club, they always get the better treatment. Been Cardiff away in recent times has been nothing but hassle in regards to policing, tickets and KO times.

Edit: Wasn’t our game at Cardiff last season a midday kick off on a Sunday?

It was yes- however our game at Swansea away was a 3pm on a Saturday this season which was welcome.

Cardiff seem particularly problematic- they will have different Safety Advisory Groups. That said wasn't our allocation at Swansea about 2,000, possibly even a bit less?

Should have stuck to the 2,500 however I can see why they consider it a risk if lots of ticketless fans maybe travelling over, or have purchased/will purchase in home ends or hospitality.

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On 14/01/2019 at 11:00, Mr Popodopolous said:

Been part of a few decent away followings, including Millwall back in April last year and much to my surprise, quite a few around me were sat. Was quite annoying as me and mates were quite inclined to stand and when you stand at football game like that you're more likely to sing- fairly high up in the block too so that surprised me.

Ironically, I remember Palace away about 8 years ago though a relatively small away following in Jan 2011- Holmesdale End or whatever they call themselves- Fanatics I think- were stood but Palace stewards made us away fans sit. Never seen that anywhere else!

In general, it helps if an area where persistent standing is tolerated- think the singing section at AG- is right near the away fans. Atmosphere, back and forth helps spread then. Away fans allowed to stand in the main due to way its evolved over the years, getting them to sit won't be likely and unlikely to help safety. Then we had East End reopened with allowances for standing pre redevelopment and if it could be possible, though you want a singing/persistently standing area behind the goal, lower Dolman maybe- right in line with away fans there and putting more vocal away fans there could enhance things.

@Super Reckon the club see it as easier to control, especially if fans are in the upper half or the upper half and a little bit of the lower, easier to prevent pitch invaders etc.

I went to Wolves on Boxing Day a couple years ago and they were quite adament that everyone needed to be sat. Where I was most were sitting but can’t remember if the whole allocation was

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8 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

I went to Wolves on Boxing Day a couple years ago and they were quite adament that everyone needed to be sat. Where I was most were sitting but can’t remember if the whole allocation was

It's hard to enforce tbh if fans are minded to stand but I'm assuming there was a healthy away following.

Most clubs now have a pragmatic approach where they essentially let away fans stand and a proportion/area of the home fans. Just the way it has developed over the years- Wolves sound like they are not one of those clubs?

Actually enforcing it (or trying to), if the away fans are minded to stand enmasse- could actually cause more issues than it solves.

FSF Faircop has some good stuff on this- not so much the 2nd bit but away fans, standing, pragmatism etc.

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On 14/01/2019 at 17:47, Kodjias Wrist said:

Saw bottles and all sorts chucked at them.

I’d imagine the bottles might’ve smarted somewhat but chucking liquorice sweets is a new low.  

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48 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

It was yes- however our game at Swansea away was a 3pm on a Saturday this season which was welcome.

Cardiff seem particularly problematic- they will have different Safety Advisory Groups. That said wasn't our allocation at Swansea about 2,000, possibly even a bit less?

Should have stuck to the 2,500 however I can see why they consider it a risk if lots of ticketless fans maybe travelling over, or have purchased/will purchase in home ends or hospitality.

Very true, but funny how ticketing changes for some clubs and not others

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19 minutes ago, hodge said:

Hopefully some agreement that if we're in the same division next year we get a larger allocation 

It would probably be difficult as their stadium has a 21k capacity.

 

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