bcfcredandwhite Posted January 26, 2019 Report Share Posted January 26, 2019 Watching the FA cup clash between Millwall and Everton this evening, when Tosun came on for Everton, the commentator said he cost £28m. I’m not challenging his respective worth - footballers command crazy money these days - and God knows what his wages are, but Everton are 11th in the Premiership (18 places higher than ourselves) never looking like winning anything any time soon - and have been, well, bang-average since Moyes left - and yet pay more than £25m for a player. If we get to the promised land, is that what we will need to spend in order to secure mid-table mediocrity, or are Everton simply wasting their money and paying over the odds? .......bearing in mind that Diedhiou is our record signing at £5m.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCRED Posted January 26, 2019 Report Share Posted January 26, 2019 I think there is an expectation now that clubs must pay stupid fees and wages for players who are bang average especially in the Premier league. The TV deals and billions create the inflated market and we have the current status quo. We would need to spend but only in key areas such as quality up front to create and score the limited chances you get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 26, 2019 Report Share Posted January 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said: Watching the FA cup clash between Millwall and Everton this evening, when Tosun came on for Everton, the commentator said he cost £28m. I’m not challenging his respective worth - footballers command crazy money these days - and God knows what his wages are, but Everton are 11th in the Premiership (18 places higher than ourselves) never looking like winning anything any time soon - and have been, well, bang-average since Moyes left - and yet pay more than £25m for a player. If we get to the promised land, is that what we will need to spend in order to secure mid-table mediocrity, or are Everton simply wasting their money and paying over the odds? .......bearing in mind that Diedhiou is our record signing at £5m.......... Probably yes in answer to both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 26, 2019 Report Share Posted January 26, 2019 West Ham are about to pay 45 million for Maxi Gomez from Celta Vigo and allow him to spend the rest of the season with CV. Its absolutely crazy. The Neymar transfer plus the Prem TV deal has changed everything. Players that were worth 10 million just a few years ago are now worth 50 odd million and it just isn't sustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted January 26, 2019 Report Share Posted January 26, 2019 Not even close to what they paid for Sigurdsson or Richarlison. I was nervous when we signed Diedhiou for over 5 million, and it’s not even my money..simply can’t imagine us spending anything like 28 million for a few years yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpexile Posted January 26, 2019 Report Share Posted January 26, 2019 Have to agree with the previous posts, insane money being paid for average players. For a team newly promoted to the EPL I guess the bonus money received would more than compensate but its certainly not possible to maintain. It makes you wonder where how game is going to end up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fpcity Posted January 26, 2019 Report Share Posted January 26, 2019 And he isn't that good either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampy Posted January 26, 2019 Report Share Posted January 26, 2019 It only survives if you spend stupid money watching football live and on TV .... £30 plus at Ashton Gate .... mad! I pay £4 for my fortnightly fix at Woodmarsh including a programme ... and it's a 10 minute drive and free parking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 8 hours ago, Up The City! said: West Ham are about to pay 45 million for Maxi Gomez from Celta Vigo and allow him to spend the rest of the season with CV. Its absolutely crazy. The Neymar transfer plus the Prem TV deal has changed everything. Players that were worth 10 million just a few years ago are now worth 50 odd million and it just isn't sustainable. It looks very much like the reluctance of candidates (who have been TV executives) to take Scudamore's job is because they think the money from TV rights cannot keep increasing. Scudamore got out at the right time and whoever replaces him is going to look like a failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted January 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 9 hours ago, Tiree said: Could make one think good runs in the Championship and the odd cup run (Lj seems to find both easy) is our optimal position for owner, Coach and fans alike? My thoughts exactly. Unfortunately, barring a Leicester-size miracle or a never-before seen injection of cash, lower-end Premiership (fighting relegation every season) or high-end Championship (where we are now) is probably our place in the pecking order - and we haven’t even achieved the former yet!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 13 hours ago, bcfcredandwhite said: Watching the FA cup clash between Millwall and Everton this evening, when Tosun came on for Everton, the commentator said he cost £28m. I’m not challenging his respective worth - footballers command crazy money these days - and God knows what his wages are, but Everton are 11th in the Premiership (18 places higher than ourselves) never looking like winning anything any time soon - and have been, well, bang-average since Moyes left - and yet pay more than £25m for a player. If we get to the promised land, is that what we will need to spend in order to secure mid-table mediocrity, or are Everton simply wasting their money and paying over the odds? .......bearing in mind that Diedhiou is our record signing at £5m.......... I think it was @Mr Popodopolous that posted a graph showing the profitability of PL teams - despite their spending it’s difficult not to make a profit in that league - IF we get there I wouldn’t worry too much about the costs of the signing of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 26 minutes ago, ScottishRed said: I think it was @Mr Popodopolous that posted a graph showing the profitability of PL teams - despite their spending it’s difficult not to make a profit in that league - IF we get there I wouldn’t worry too much about the costs of the signing of players. True, but if the costs keep escalating and the growth in TV money stalls, as seems likely, things could go into reverse. I'm sure Scudamore got out because he knew he couldn't keep delivering increased income to keep feeding the monster. You have to ask why nobody seems to want his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allwaysred Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 12 hours ago, swampy said: It only survives if you spend stupid money watching football live and on TV .... £30 plus at Ashton Gate .... mad! I pay £4 for my fortnightly fix at Woodmarsh including a programme ... and it's a 10 minute drive and free parking. You must be GAS..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 4 hours ago, chinapig said: True, but if the costs keep escalating and the growth in TV money stalls, as seems likely, things could go into reverse. I'm sure Scudamore got out because he knew he couldn't keep delivering increased income to keep feeding the monster. You have to ask why nobody seems to want his job. I think the next big revenue source for top flight football is going to be from Apple, Amazon etc - world wide reach and also watch on demand the ‘exciting bits’ in addition to watching the whole game. Heard an interesting interview with an Apple Exec on this last year on R5L. I can’t see the gravy train stopping anytime soon although it will probably have different ‘drivers’ than it does currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 Locally watching my nearest team, Worthing FC, in the 7th tier reminds one of how much we have lost in the game because of big money and big egos. Frankly comparing the last City home game I saw, Millwall, and what I see at Worthing, the five division gap isn't as obvious as it should be - plus I can sit where I like, the opposing fans mix without trouble, and for £1.50 I can get an excellent cup of coffee, whilst others I sit with can drink their beer in the stand as though they are watching rugby at Ashton Gate. Oh, and of course, the PA is far better, not to mention the manager's comments on video post match (he is ex Brighton player forced to retire early through injury - Hinshelwood, and no relation of our Wally of the same name as far as I know) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 24 minutes ago, ScottishRed said: I think the next big revenue source for top flight football is going to be from Apple, Amazon etc - world wide reach and also watch on demand the ‘exciting bits’ in addition to watching the whole game. Heard an interesting interview with an Apple Exec on this last year on R5L. I can’t see the gravy train stopping anytime soon although it will probably have different ‘drivers’ than it does currently. Deloitttes were less bullish about future prospects: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jan/24/real-madrid-barcelona-overtake-manchester-united-football-top-earners-deloitte-money-league "However, with the Premier League’s tender for the next cycle of domestic rights from 2019-20 complete and sale of overseas rights nearing conclusion, it is clear that Premier League clubs will be unable to rely on explosive growth in broadcast distributions as a source of future growth, as has been the case in recent years." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 3 hours ago, ScottishRed said: I think the next big revenue source for top flight football is going to be from Apple, Amazon etc - world wide reach and also watch on demand the ‘exciting bits’ in addition to watching the whole game. Heard an interesting interview with an Apple Exec on this last year on R5L. I can’t see the gravy train stopping anytime soon although it will probably have different ‘drivers’ than it does currently. Coincidentally the latest on the effort to replace Scudamore is here: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jan/27/premier-league-draws-up-new-list-of-potential-ceos-after-knockbacks The following stands out: "Following the Scudamore era of huge increases in the value of TV rights every three years, there will be a difficult path to navigate as the economics of football rights change in the digital age. Last year, Sky paid £3.57bn to retain the lion’s share of the rights for Premier League matches from 2019-22, a 14% discount per game on its current deal. The Premier League’s attempts to draw deep-pocketed Silicon Valley firms into bidding, to continue to drive rights inflation in the face of a dearth of new competition from traditional TV broadcasters, has not been considered overly successful." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Ivorguy said: (he is ex Brighton player forced to retire early through injury - Hinshelwood, and no relation of our Wally of the same name as far as I know) Wally is his grandfather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, Dynamite Red said: Wally is his grandfather. Thanks for that information. Next time I go I will speak to him. He sits in the stand near me taking notes every first half just checked, his other grandson manages Selsey, and his 65 year old son manages Lewes Wally passed away, aged 89, last November. Fond memories of him out on the wing at Ashton Gate. RIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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