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Great result on Saturday 2nd Feb but marred by the mindless idiots, i hear that it was possibly caused that 800 swans fans got in late, what a coincidence that number 800 is the difference between the 10% ticket allocation Bristol City could have give Swansea and the 3500 tickets that they did, so who are the mindless idiots, are Bristol City going to offer to pay for the damage to the 2 pubs i doubt it, surely they would have spoken to the police about numbers before selling to the Swans or is it a case of Money and nothing else. 

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8 minutes ago, oldland3 said:

Great result on Saturday 2nd Feb but marred by the mindless idiots, i hear that it was possibly caused that 800 swans fans got in late, what a coincidence that number 800 is the difference between the 10% ticket allocation Bristol City could have give Swansea and the 3500 tickets that they did, so who are the mindless idiots, are Bristol City going to offer to pay for the damage to the 2 pubs i doubt it, surely they would have spoken to the police about numbers before selling to the Swans or is it a case of Money and nothing else. 

Perhaps the 800 purchased their tickets from the initial allocation? ?

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22 minutes ago, oldland3 said:

Great result on Saturday 2nd Feb but marred by the mindless idiots, i hear that it was possibly caused that 800 swans fans got in late, what a coincidence that number 800 is the difference between the 10% ticket allocation Bristol City could have give Swansea and the 3500 tickets that they did, so who are the mindless idiots, are Bristol City going to offer to pay for the damage to the 2 pubs i doubt it, surely they would have spoken to the police about numbers before selling to the Swans or is it a case of Money and nothing else. 

Was a police escort I think- surely a 'risk' group of fans however.

Police got those 800 Swansea fans in late. Would it have kicked off had they got in at 3pm or a bit before I wonder? 

Of course, with regards what happened postgame? Holding back Swansea fans may have been one solution but it's caused issues at other grounds- our fans charged gates at Plymouth when held back one year so I've read on here. Holding back fans can be like kettling but once they get out of that, who knows how their anger levels may have increased or cooled of- which could lead to more issues in the area? No easy answer. May have been better idea to hold them back in this instance though.

25 ejections from Swansea is it? Quite a big proportion, in modern times!

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11 minutes ago, oldland3 said:

I think Bc should close off a section of the Atyeo stand that is near the Dolman this may help and also Bc should only sell up to the max 10% to away fans, but i bet they will sell as many as possible for the Leeds game, when will they learn.

Why don't we just let the club and the police identify these idiots and make sure they never set foot in AG again. 

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4 minutes ago, harrys said:

It was an obvious tactic to by A&S to get the Swansea escort to the ground 20 minutes late thus avoiding the the hordes of City hoolies that we’re hanging around on Ashton Road

What two pubs were damaged?

That's a good point, but would they have been less belligerent had they got in at 3pm?

Or were they likely to have kicked off regardless.

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7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

That's a good point, but would they have been less belligerent had they got in at 3pm?

Or were they likely to have kicked off regardless.

Who knows, my guess is that they were always going to kick off anyway, after all it was their big day out

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4 minutes ago, harrys said:

Who knows, my guess is that they were always going to kick off anyway, after all it was their big day out

Hard to say isn't it. I can imagine the mood in that escort once it passed 3pm was very angry, volatile.

Missing kick off and nearly 20 mins on your big day out adds a risk of disorder, would surely ratchet up anger. Throw in that a decent number of them were surely 'risk' supporters and you have a problem. Maybe they would have been causing problems from entry regardless of time, we don't know.

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14 minutes ago, harrys said:

It was an obvious tactic to by A&S to get the Swansea escort to the ground 20 minutes late thus avoiding the the hordes of City hoolies that we’re hanging around on Ashton Road

What two pubs were damaged?

I’m sure I read somewhere it was BS3 and Rising Sun which, I believe, is one and the same!

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1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Hard to say isn't it. I can imagine the mood in that escort once it passed 3pm was very angry, volatile.

Guess so , god knows what route the OB took them that it should take them an hour and a half to get to AG, as I say, an obvious tactic

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42 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Was a police escort I think- surely a 'risk' group of fans however.

Police got those 800 Swansea fans in late. Would it have kicked off had they got in at 3pm or a bit before I wonder? 

Of course, with regards what happened postgame? Holding back Swansea fans may have been one solution but it's caused issues at other grounds- our fans charged gates at Plymouth when held back one year so I've read on here. Holding back fans can be like kettling but once they get out of that, who knows how their anger levels may have increased or cooled of- which could lead to more issues in the area? No easy answer. May have been better idea to hold them back in this instance though.

25 ejections from Swansea is it? Quite a big proportion, in modern times!

You maybe referring to a Plymouth game on Boxing Day in the late 80s or 90s, there was trouble at that game. The turnstiles leading up was quite steep if my memory services me correct, the OB were battering City fans at the back of the crowd who were waiting to be let out, this resulted in the crowd moving down the steps/slopes to avoid this. Remember one old guy falling over & being picked up by city fans & being carried over heads to the where it was safer.

My take on the day of all this was that the gates were kicked in  due to the unsafe ness of the situation, if the gates hadn’t of come down  in my opinion at the time people could of been hurt. 

Would the gates have remained intact if police hadn’t been Whacking City fans who knows? Do remember the walk/run back to the car had its moments, my dad was not best pleased he only drove us there because it was Christmas!

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4 minutes ago, Toffee dog said:

You maybe referring to a Plymouth game on Boxing Day in the late 80s or 90s, there was trouble at that game. The turnstiles leading up was quite steep if my memory services me correct, the OB were battering City fans at the back of the crowd who were waiting to be let out, this resulted in the crowd moving down the steps/slopes to avoid this. Remember one old guy falling over & being picked up by city fans & being carried over heads to the where it was safer.

My take on the day of all this was that the gates were kicked in  due to the unsafe ness of the situation, if the gates hadn’t of come down  in my opinion at the time people could of been hurt. 

Would the gates have remained intact if police hadn’t been Whacking City fans who knows? Do remember the walk/run back to the car had its moments, my dad was not best pleased he only drove us there because it was Christmas!

Before my time, but read about it on here.

Wasn't due to a hold-back then, but due to police tactics i.e. seemingly whacking fans for little reason?

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There was a fair bit of trouble to be fair but you don’t need a degree in human behaviour to know that if you are using violence on those at the back they will do one of two things fight or flight.

When they are being channeled into a narrow steep downward slope, the surge of the crowd will take you down the slope, if you lose your footing you could then be in danger.

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12 hours ago, ziderheadarmy said:

@Clarky89 The biggest hooligan element in this country isn’t Millwall or Leeds or whoever it’s the British Police Force who are sadly untouchable.

I’ve seen numerous thugs in uniform over the years.

Not just on football grounds/in uniform either. I got jumped by 4 undercover officers outside my work of all places a couple years ago in a case of mistaken identity. The whole story is an absolute shambles from start to finish - 9 or 10 cock ups in the space of 20 minutes.

According to them, none of the 6 or 7 cameras in the area were facing the incident. Luckily, I had contacts in the surrounding buildings and obtained two separate angles of the incident. 

Never had any run ins with them in the past. I couldn't have been more shocked when I saw first hand how such a giant balls up on their part was somehow justified despite compelling evidence suggesting otherwise. 

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1 hour ago, oldland3 said:

I think Bc should close off a section of the Atyeo stand that is near the Dolman this may help and also Bc should only sell up to the max 10% to away fans, but i bet they will sell as many as possible for the Leeds game, when will they learn.

how very kind of you to offer to make up for the lost revenue out of your own pocket. 

Or wait, you're expecting the rest of us to do that I guess? 

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1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Hard to say isn't it. I can imagine the mood in that escort once it passed 3pm was very angry, volatile.

Missing kick off and nearly 20 mins on your big day out adds a risk of disorder, would surely ratchet up anger. Throw in that a decent number of them were surely 'risk' supporters and you have a problem. Maybe they would have been causing problems from entry regardless of time, we don't know.

Not rocket science Mr P. As a reminder .....

Loon Plage January 24th

 

This match will attract lots of visiting piss/cokeheads some of whom fancy a scrap, others who won't look for one but will be happy to protect themselves by whatever means are available if they blunder into the wrong pub and some of that will occur during match time.

Julie and her mates won't have a clue what is happening as usual.

The scene is set for potentially a lot of public disorder and the club has played a major role in this.

Forget the bollocks about creating a great atmosphere in the ground, and consider the risk of encouraging people very loosely connected with the away team to visit the nearest English club where they have been spanked in the relatively recent past.

This is not a normal fixture in terms of who is attracted to make the trip and if nothing happens in the BS3 postcode, then something happening in the city centre will be equally football related..

Doesn't bother me, but if it happens forget all the "knuckle dragger" comments and consider how easily it could have been averted or at least limited.

Julie H response .. January 24th

Thank you for this.

i am sure that the majority of fans from both Swansea and Bristol city are looking forward to a great game, in a stadium full of noise and atmosphere.

this game has no restrictions and rightly so, we as a police service both here and in South Wales have listened to the majority of fans and agreed that the game in Swansea and here should be without restriction.

We work closely with fans representatives from the bcfc supporters trust to ensure their views are sought when policing any game , I don’t see how having no restrictions encourages people to visit and cause disorder, it merely allows genuine fans to enjoy the game. 

The view of the policing operation on the day is always to allow the 99% of fans to enjoy the game/ day and the 1% that are there for other reasons will be dealt with in a positive manner where when charged and convicted banning orders will be applied for at court. 

Disorder is easily averted by the minority by not seeking it in the first place 

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