Lorenzos Only Goal Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 13 hours ago, ziderheadarmy said: @Clarky89 The biggest hooligan element in this country isn’t Millwall or Leeds or whoever it’s the British Police Force who are sadly untouchable. I’ve seen numerous thugs in uniform over the years. I’m sure deep down @JulieH has similar thoughts at times but can’t openly admit that. Out of interest Julie have you ever heard of a officer being disciplined for such behaviour? I had an Officer from Avon and Somerset internally disciplined in 2005 when it should have been an assault charge, it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevP Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 18 minutes ago, Loon plage said: Not rocket science Mr P. As a reminder ..... Loon Plage January 24th This match will attract lots of visiting piss/cokeheads some of whom fancy a scrap, others who won't look for one but will be happy to protect themselves by whatever means are available if they blunder into the wrong pub and some of that will occur during match time. Julie and her mates won't have a clue what is happening as usual. The scene is set for potentially a lot of public disorder and the club has played a major role in this. Forget the bollocks about creating a great atmosphere in the ground, and consider the risk of encouraging people very loosely connected with the away team to visit the nearest English club where they have been spanked in the relatively recent past. This is not a normal fixture in terms of who is attracted to make the trip and if nothing happens in the BS3 postcode, then something happening in the city centre will be equally football related.. Doesn't bother me, but if it happens forget all the "knuckle dragger" comments and consider how easily it could have been averted or at least limited. Julie H response .. January 24th Thank you for this. i am sure that the majority of fans from both Swansea and Bristol city are looking forward to a great game, in a stadium full of noise and atmosphere. this game has no restrictions and rightly so, we as a police service both here and in South Wales have listened to the majority of fans and agreed that the game in Swansea and here should be without restriction. We work closely with fans representatives from the bcfc supporters trust to ensure their views are sought when policing any game , I don’t see how having no restrictions encourages people to visit and cause disorder, it merely allows genuine fans to enjoy the game. The view of the policing operation on the day is always to allow the 99% of fans to enjoy the game/ day and the 1% that are there for other reasons will be dealt with in a positive manner where when charged and convicted banning orders will be applied for at court. Disorder is easily averted by the minority by not seeking it in the first place Absolute belter. What are this weeks lottery numbers please Loon ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 Watched the longer footage on Bristol Post site- previously seen the shorter version but the longer now. Took police a good 22 seconds at least to get on the scene from the outset. Others may already have seen it but anyway. Well that's odd- there was a 1 minute 26 seconds version at least on there but it seems to have reverted back. https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-city-investigating-violence-during-2503117 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Watched the longer footage on Bristol Post site- previously seen the shorter version but the longer now. Took police a good 22 seconds at least to get on the scene from the outset. Others may already have seen it but anyway. https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ban-all-violence-flares-swansea-2501453 If you see the video I posted by a Jack , from the Away end of the whole incident , the red alarm bells were ringing a long time before that Mr P The build up in tension and posturing went on for some time before the scuffles We were seconds away from more on the pitch , fighting and the game stoppped or abandoned I’d suggest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Millwall fans have been bleating to Talksport about highlighting the trouble at the Gate Hugh Whitevand co giving us a kicking SL has said life bans will follow Hugh Whitevand co ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 45 minutes ago, KevP said: Absolute belter. What are this weeks lottery numbers please Loon ?? 9 15 24 25 33 49 but thats just between me and you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 15 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: If you see the video I posted by a Jack , from the Away end of the whole incident , the red alarm bells were ringing a long time before that Mr P The build up in tension and posturing went on for some time before the scuffles We were seconds away from more on the pitch , fighting and the game stoppped or abandoned I’d suggest You think it was that serious Bob? From (admittedly not the best view) the top of A Block I assumed a lot of posturing, gesturing and the odd fan getting through the line- bad of course and not to be condoned, but not catastrophic. You think it could have escalated into something as serious as stoppage/abandoment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Toffee dog said: You maybe referring to a Plymouth game on Boxing Day in the late 80s or 90s, there was trouble at that game. The turnstiles leading up was quite steep if my memory services me correct, the OB were battering City fans at the back of the crowd who were waiting to be let out, this resulted in the crowd moving down the steps/slopes to avoid this. Remember one old guy falling over & being picked up by city fans & being carried over heads to the where it was safer. My take on the day of all this was that the gates were kicked in due to the unsafe ness of the situation, if the gates hadn’t of come down in my opinion at the time people could of been hurt. Would the gates have remained intact if police hadn’t been Whacking City fans who knows? Do remember the walk/run back to the car had its moments, my dad was not best pleased he only drove us there because it was Christmas! Wasn’t the kick off delayed for that game, as the Plymouth special train was late? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: You think it was that serious Bob? From (admittedly not the best view) the top of A Block I assumed a lot of posturing, gesturing and the odd fan getting through the line- bad of course and not to be condoned, but not catastrophic. You think it could have escalated into something as serious as stoppage/abandoment? I do Mr P Im out of touch with some of the young ones but i it appears to me that there are a young group where substances probably help to escalate the situation , at all clubs , not just ours Once fans start to enter the pitch and trade blows it’s going to escalate quickly We will never know thankfully but one or two would have started to do likewise and I think the top would have been off the bottle There was a fair number of Jacks who were clearly keen , and City at AG are never going to be found wanting (Have you seen the full video Mr P ? simmering build up and the top had just started to pop when the Police Officers arrived - have a look see what you think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Loon plage said: 9 15 24 25 33 49 but thats just between me and you. Sorry to be a pain, can I have the bonus ball please, just as a contingency! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: I do Mr P Im out of touch with some of the young ones but i it appears to me that there are a young group where substances probably help to escalate the situation , at all clubs , not just ours Once fans start to enter the pitch and trade blows it’s going to escalate quickly We will never know thankfully but one or two would have started to do likewise and I think the top would have been off the bottle There was a fair number of Jacks who were clearly keen , and City at AG are never going to be found wanting (Have you seen the full video Mr P ? simmering build up and the top had just started to pop when the Police Officers arrived - have a look see what you think) Worrying stuff that Bob- maybe they will need to restrict away capacity to 10% again as per the original plan for this season anyway. Yeah, once the top is off, very hard to put back on again in that situation. Have you a link to the video Bob? The longest I've seen so far is about 1 min 26 secs on the Bristol Post site. An article suggested golf balls and coins were thrown doesn't say which side but the inference is it was from ours- could well have trouble ahead. Quote Swansea fans have made a number of complaints that a police escort caused them to miss the start of the match. Around 800 fans got to the stadium 20 minutes late and say they were hit by coins and golf balls in the ground. Putting aside the 2nd bit of the second line, which is of course unacceptable, the first bit of that second line is the 800 who arrived 20 mins in. Wonder if they were risk supporters. Either way, can't think it helped matters the 20 minute delay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 4 hours ago, Dollymarie said: BedMo, geddit right! Ah that’s Eee, I knew it was something bloody daft and didn’t use my precious brain cells remembering it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Worrying stuff that Bob- maybe they will need to restrict away capacity to 10% again as per the original plan for this season anyway. Yeah, once the top is off, very hard to put back on again in that situation. Have you a link to the video Bob? The longest I've seen so far is about 1 min 26 secs on the Bristol Post site. An article suggested golf balls and coins were thrown doesn't say which side but the inference is it was from ours- could well have trouble ahead. Putting aside the 2nd bit of the second line, which is of course unacceptable, the first bit of that second line is the 800 who arrived 20 mins in. Wonder if they were risk supporters. Either way, can't think it helped matters the 20 minute delay. This one mate The groups have come down the seating and already gathered and are aggressively posturing before even this video starts yet it’s still a while before it pops On 03/02/2019 at 12:24, BobBobSuperBob said: Well , here we go......... Heres the whole build up and what went on....... Quite a funny video in some parts....Id seen comments about the guy running on the pitch for the disallowed goal but missed it at the time ......**** me he ran half the length of the pitch . Fair play.........only to look a plonk Looks like Swansea fans were the aggravators to me ,with City upping the level and the taffs intent on trying to cause problems all through game Although they seemed to go quiet at 2-0 down for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City exile 79 Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Toffee dog said: You maybe referring to a Plymouth game on Boxing Day in the late 80s or 90s, there was trouble at that game. The turnstiles leading up was quite steep if my memory services me correct, the OB were battering City fans at the back of the crowd who were waiting to be let out, this resulted in the crowd moving down the steps/slopes to avoid this. Remember one old guy falling over & being picked up by city fans & being carried over heads to the where it was safer. My take on the day of all this was that the gates were kicked in due to the unsafe ness of the situation, if the gates hadn’t of come down in my opinion at the time people could of been hurt. Would the gates have remained intact if police hadn’t been Whacking City fans who knows? Do remember the walk/run back to the car had its moments, my dad was not best pleased he only drove us there because it was Christmas! I was there with my brother. Policing wasn’t good.Watched a dog handler copper chasing some city fans in the car park and tripping over a tow bar and the dog dragging him down the rd. We gave 3 city fans a lift after their minibus driver had been arrested for drunk and disorderly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 12 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: This one mate The groups have come down the seating and already gathered and are aggressively posturing before even this video starts yet it’s still a while before it pops Thanks Bob- watched it now. In that context, yeah could have boiled over very badly. 2 minutes almost for the police to arrive on the scene?? Perhaps they should have been largely in that corner from the start, or at the first signs of lowish level aggro before it escalated to help deter- easy to say after the event on my part though I guess. Genuinely at the time wasn't all that aware of the seriousness- not least as I was still watching the game where possible with only half an eye on the trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: This one mate The groups have come down the seating and already gathered and are aggressively posturing before even this video starts yet it’s still a while before it pops Swansea fans didn’t seem that keen to me, typical Welsh, all mouth, where’s our Swansea fan who spent the whole of January on this forum ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Thanks Bob- watched it now. In that context, yeah could have boiled over very badly. 2 minutes almost for the police to arrive on the scene?? Perhaps they should have been largely in that corner from the start, or at the first signs of lowish level aggro before it escalated to help deter- easy to say after the event on my part though I guess. Genuinely at the time wasn't all that aware of the seriousness- not least as I was still watching the game where possible with only half an eye on the trouble. Stewards showed some real b***s and did a top job tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Stewards showed some real b***s and did a top job tbf They certainly did, way and beyond their duty as far as i’m concerned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 I'm still confused what actually started the trouble off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 26 minutes ago, Super said: I'm still confused what actually started the trouble off? A lack of intelligence and/or self control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 I thought it was great to have a bit of atmosphere in the ground again - well done S82. Took me back to the 80s actually! Love it when AG is rockin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BessexRED Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 39 minutes ago, Super said: I'm still confused what actually started the trouble off? A total lack of competence from Avon and Somerset police force by antagonizing their fans by cocking up the escort. They were understandably wound up by it and then once they came in the sections they were going to stand in were netted off, a few gave it large down the front and it escalated from there. If (we're in the same league) & this is a bubble match next season I and many others will be very pissed off @JulieH, the majority of it was completely preventable if the preparations and handling of fans would've been done more sensibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTBLUE Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 52 minutes ago, harrys said: Swansea fans didn’t seem that keen to me, typical Welsh, all mouth, where’s our Swansea fan who spent the whole of January on this forum ? In bed with jaw ache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo1111 Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, BessexRED said: A total lack of competence from Avon and Somerset police force by antagonizing their fans by cocking up the escort. They were understandably wound up by it and then once they came in the sections they were going to stand in were netted off, a few gave it large down the front and it escalated from there. If (we're in the same league) & this is a bubble match next season I and many others will be very pissed off @JulieH, the majority of it was completely preventable if the preparations and handling of fans would've been done more sensibly. How the hell can it be anything other than a bubble for the next few years after that. the police and the clubs have a responsibility to the wider public for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Watched the longer footage on Bristol Post site- previously seen the shorter version but the longer now. Took police a good 22 seconds at least to get on the scene from the outset. Others may already have seen it but anyway. Well that's odd- there was a 1 minute 26 seconds version at least on there but it seems to have reverted back. https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-city-investigating-violence-during-2503117 What a sad bunch of neanderthals. On both sides. Should be a few people there looking at life time bans, especially the idiot in the grey jacket that ran on the pitch and attacked the Swansea fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Stewards showed some real b***s and did a top job tbf Was wondering why they got some criticism in the first place tbh- those on the ground, thought they handled it very well and couldn't have done any more. Hard to see from the top (plus of course I wasn't focusing much on it because there's a good game ongoing) but there's usually several police and 2-3 senior stewards in that Atyeo/Dolman corner. What I saw, watching as I have done the first 5 mins is 2 young looking stewards, no police and no senior stewards. Perhaps they couldn't spare them, but this is exactly the sort of game you need them in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 40 minutes ago, BessexRED said: A total lack of competence from Avon and Somerset police force by antagonizing their fans by cocking up the escort. They were understandably wound up by it and then once they came in the sections they were going to stand in were netted off, a few gave it large down the front and it escalated from there. If (we're in the same league) & this is a bubble match next season I and many others will be very pissed off @JulieH, the majority of it was completely preventable if the preparations and handling of fans would've been done more sensibly. So something very serious caused it then. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 4, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 54 minutes ago, milo1111 said: How the hell can it be anything other than a bubble for the next few years after that. the police and the clubs have a responsibility to the wider public for starters. I disagree, there was over 23,000 people in the ground and less than 1% caused a problem, no reason to change things in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BessexRED Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, phantom said: I disagree, there was over 23,000 people in the ground and less than 1% caused a problem, no reason to change things in the future This. Complete overreaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 22 minutes ago, BessexRED said: This. Complete overreaction. People get off on talking about it. Look at how many replies on this in comparison about the actual perfomance. Making it out to be absolute carnage. I garuntee the atmosphere wouldn't gave been half as good if it wasn't for the tension. The incident in the ground shouldn't have happened but let's not blow it out of complete proportion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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