Guest Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 5 hours ago, JulieH said: I don’t know where this has come from, I leave myself logged in to this forum but I can assure you I don’t spend all my spare time browsing this forum. I will now log out and only log in during work hours as if this is the perception I am causing I can only apologise. i have a very long job description, of which a sentence is to assist in planning of matchday operations by providing current intelligence and information. I get this from engagement through this forum, monthly fan meetings and talking and listening to fans concerns around policing matches both home and away sometimes things don’t go as smoothly as they could, and therefore that is why we will fully debrief this over the next few weeks. I will be at the fans meeting on weds and am happy to take further observations there also . You can please some all of the time but all none of the time. You can see the reaction to @Red-Robbo‘s post, I suggest you carry on as you were, the majority seem to appreciate your input and your role which is LIASON; not frontline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, Big C said: Buts it’s false imprisonment. It used to annoy the hell out of me when it happened to us. Held behind when we had done nothing wrong in the cold and wet and usually after a defeat But yesterday is an example where both sets of fans had done lots wrong and were clearly going to do lots more wrong.... Should have been used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Don't be so naive Tone, you know very well innocents can get caught up in it, and it's for the police to minimise this possibilty imo., by taking simple and sensible precautions and decisions as outlined above. That 'idiot minority' you speak of is very likely to be increased through giving an extra allocation over and above the usual maximum, and thus the chances of disorder are similarly increased. As it turned out. Yesterday's events were all so predictable. in my football life both home and away no trouble if you don't look for it you don't find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 You always get the same people on here when things like this happen that blame everyone else apart from those that actually cause the trouble. Laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 39 minutes ago, Spoons said: Because the club have a duty of care to supporters to get out of the ground safely. This was made harder when you let out 800 plus yobs out with city fans also keen on a fight in the park. Completely avoidable. Of course it was avoidable but certainly not a decision where the club should be making that call, it was so obvious yesterday that their fans should of been held back for 10/15 minutes and that decision should of came from the police not some amateurs from within the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 34 minutes ago, Big C said: Buts it’s false imprisonment. It used to annoy the hell out of me when it happened to us. Held behind when we had done nothing wrong in the cold and wet and usually after a defeat 10 minutes of inconvenience is hardly going to kill you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, harrys said: Of course it was avoidable but certainly not a decision where the club should be making that call, it was so obvious yesterday that their fans should of been held back for 10/15 minutes and that decision should of came from the police not some amateurs from within the club Dave storr who is head of security and safety at Ashton gate has 30 years police experience and 13 years stadium management experience. This isn't an amateur in the club, this is a highly paid professional who made( or part off a decision making committee) a series of wrong decisions about yesterday's game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Don't be so naive Tone, you know very well innocents can get caught up in it, and it's for the police to minimise this possibilty imo., by taking simple and sensible precautions and decisions as outlined above. That 'idiot minority' you speak of is very likely to be increased through giving an extra allocation over and above the usual maximum, and thus the chances of disorder are similarly increased. As it turned out. Yesterday's events were all so predictable. I'm not being naive at all. I know well and truly that when idiots are hellbent on causing trouble they will do so no matter what. Keep them locked in for 30 mins or 1 hour and the trouble will erupt in the City centre instead of near the ground. The naive ones are those that blame the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Spoons said: Dave storr who is head of security and safety at Ashton gate has 30 years police experience and 13 years stadium management experience. This isn't an amateur in the club, this is a highly paid professional who made( or part off a decision making committee) a series of wrong decisions about yesterday's game. Julie H made the comment that it was the clubs decision to let their fans out so I assume Dave Storr as top man should bare the responsibility.......... amateur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, harrys said: Julie H made the comment that it was the clubs decision to let their fans out so I assume Dave Storr as top man should bare the responsibility.......... amateur Exactly. He stopped a display by section 82 last season because of a English flag . But thought it was a good idea to let fans out at the same time. Clueless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Exactly. He stopped a display by section 82 last season because of a English flag . But thought it was a good idea to let fans out at the same time. Clueless All the police and the clubs fault now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntstile Red Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 On 02/02/2019 at 20:02, MattWSM said: Surprised the group of Swansea fans got away with being in the Hen and Chicken after the game singing their songs. Last time I went in there was 1993. Obviously has mellowed since then. What time was that, MAttWSM? I was in there 5-540, very few City fans let alone any Swansea (saw two leaving mouthing off about not being served, but the barman had clocked they were welsh and they were being dicks and they were Welsh). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Huntstile Red said: What time was that, MAttWSM? I was in there 5-540, very few City fans let alone any Swansea (saw two leaving mouthing off about not being served, but the barman had clocked they were welsh and they were being dicks and they were Welsh). Nothing wrong with the welsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC1512 Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 Hey here’s a thought!! Bristol City v Swansea FA Cup semi final could be fun.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, Super said: All the police and the clubs fault now! It was high risk game . The club and the police made decisions. Not condoning the behaviour of idiots. But I feel wrong decisions were made . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 Given the amount of trouble our idiots caused at their place earlier this year I'd suggest The Police's ( including the FIU) planning left more than a touch to be desired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: Given the amount of trouble our idiots caused at their place earlier this year I'd suggest The Police's ( including the FIU) planning left more than a touch to be desired. err....what trouble was that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider Army Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 37 minutes ago, harrys said: Julie H made the comment that it was the clubs decision to let their fans out so I assume Dave Storr as top man should bare the responsibility.......... amateur And can this David storr answer a question to why the security netting had to be moved? Looking at the Atyeo there seemed a lot more aways fans than seats!! And can he also answer to why the PA system was none existant in the dolman? The overall health and safety was shocking yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, archie andrews said: err....what trouble was that? Take it you weren't there then as the sirens were difficult to miss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: Take it you weren't there then as the sirens were difficult to miss? I was there...….what trouble was there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Spoons said: But yesterday is an example where both sets of fans had done lots wrong and were clearly going to do lots more wrong.... Should have been used. Majority of both sets of fans were well behaved 1 hour ago, harrys said: 10 minutes of inconvenience is hardly going to kill you Only 10mins? People still hadn’t reached the concourses ten minutes after the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 hours ago, harrys said: Why should the club be concerned about when the away fans are let out? And surely the police should have the ultimate say-so in this Safety of their own supporters ? I agree the police should be in charge match day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 While there was perhaps a case for holding back, seem to remember there some sort of court case about it a while ago? The general issue I mean. The other aspect too is, @Up The City! mentioned a prior example of it...City fans charging the gates when held back somewhere- Plymouth was it? It can reduce some problems, while creating others maybe. Holding back doesn't seem to happen anymore, don't know if there is a legal reason, or if its just the way police football tactics have evolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 32 minutes ago, archie andrews said: I was there...….what trouble was there? We were hosted down there for the weekend and in addition to the 'he said she said' yobbishness down Wind St there were one or two organised events both before and after away from the station and stadium. You couldn't miss the vans heading off the Stone Island F'wits outside the stadium straight afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/holding-back-away-fans-could-13476300 Recent example of the pros and cons of holding back away fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: We were hosted down there for the weekend and in addition to the 'he said she said' yobbishness down Wind St there were one or two organised events both before and after away from the station and stadium. You couldn't miss the vans heading off the Stone Island F'wits outside the stadium straight afterwards. ill bet there wasn't one punch thrown all day.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, archie andrews said: ill bet there wasn't one punch thrown all day... If so, it'll be like yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 When was the last time we had serious trouble (like yesterday) in the ground before yesterday, anyone remember? In pretty difficult stances the Police do a decent job week in and week out at two clubs in Bristol, (apparently there is another one) however things got a bit out of hand in the stadium by current standards, (in the 70’s that wouldn’t hardly have registered as a punch up) Nevertheless some of the stuff I have read criticizing the Police and one or two directing over the top criticism at Julie H is simply not called for. Yesterday I was in the Heineken Lounge and could see right across the pitch. It seemed to me Swansea fans ran to the corner of The Dolman and a decent amount of supporters ran down from Block A mainly. It seemed there was no Police presence when it started kicking off and I have every sympathy for the stewards that were there in as much as why should they get a kicking in a hefty punch up, they are not Hells Angels at a Stones Concert they are young and middle aged fat blokes earning a quick 50 on a Saturday. The issue is this, inside the ground, the police are criticized for excessive presence or in this case criticized for no presence. However while we all like an atmosphere the fact that the convey was late added to the issues, despite the fact it seems the convey was late because there were supporters looking for trouble on the way. So moving 2000 supporters obviously needs to start earlier and a police presence needs to be already in the ground when the convoy arrives...and perhaps something more than a small wall separating the corners of the away section with home supporters Learn by your mistakes and move on would be my advice, as next season in The Premier League that will have the prepencity to happen every game as 2400 visitors will be common place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Planet Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Roger Red Hat said: Because its a proven tactic to avoid trouble, which, in yesterdays case, was nailed on. Are you the chap who actually wears a red hat to every game and sits in the Dolman ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Red Planet said: Are you the chap who actually wears a red hat to every game and sits in the Dolman ? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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