RedLionLad Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 34 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Is it just me that still doubts that every one in that escort had their ticket scanned , at the rate they emerged in the Atyeo ? How many ‘turnstiles’ at Away end ? Those numbers are going to take a fair few mins to get through even with all ‘turnstiles’ open ...unless they were held in the concourse after going through the turnstiles.....although I very much doubt that was the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TETBURY MASSIVE Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 44 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Is it just me that still doubts that every one in that escort had their ticket scanned , at the rate they emerged in the Atyeo ? How many ‘turnstiles’ at Away end ? Those numbers are going to take a fair few mins to get through even with all ‘turnstiles’ open But...but...but.... @JulieH said they did.... so that must be true and you must be wrong.... It's not like she has been caught out before for not telling the truth.... it wouldn't happen again.... would it.... ?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevP Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said: But...but...but.... @JulieH said they did.... so that must be true and you must be wrong.... It's not like she has been caught out before for not telling the truth.... it wouldn't happen again.... would it.... ?!? @JulieH said they all had tickets and all went through the turnstiles. Is this in doubt then TM / BBSB ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCRED Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 It's just as well the Swansea idiots didn't have the bottle to go on to the pitch unlike our idiots who have previous form such as the last time we played the Gas. Then we would have had serious disorder and likely some form of sanction Seemed to be a total lack of stewarding and police both in front of the Atyeo and Dolman. If there was a game where all the cards stacked up that there was a likelihood of trouble it was this game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 22 minutes ago, KevP said: @JulieH said they all had tickets and all went through the turnstiles. Is this in doubt then TM / BBSB ???? I can Only speak personally but the rate they emerged in the Atyeo and the numbers involved...... I find ........ ‘surprising ‘ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevP Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 15 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: I can Only speak personally but the rate they emerged in the Atyeo and the numbers involved...... I find ........ ‘surprising ‘ I tend to agree.......hopefully @JulieH can put TMs inquisitive mind at rest.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosey Boy Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 There's NO way that all those who entered the ground at 3.20pm would have gone through the turnstiles as normal! Police would have simply wanted them all in the ground...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 41 minutes ago, INCRED said: It's just as well the Swansea idiots didn't have the bottle to go on to the pitch unlike our idiots who have previous form such as the last time we played the Gas. Then we would have had serious disorder and likely some form of sanction Seemed to be a total lack of stewarding and police both in front of the Atyeo and Dolman. If there was a game where all the cards stacked up that there was a likelihood of trouble it was this game Tbh stewards on the ground from the Dolman if you watch the footage- very quick off the mark. The 3 minute video showed them holding fort for 2 mins before police showed up. However questions can be asked of the police for sure and perhaps Security top brass at the club. Why a lack of police and senior, experienced stewards at the Dolman/Atyeo corner from the get go? Usually you have both- saw some of match footage and there were 2 what seemed to be youngish stewards and no police in that corner until obviously things went wrong...what was that planning all about?? Putting aside this specific issue, quite a few questions for police and club to answer IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Hello Dave said: We were walking down from the Golden Guinea to the Orchard and saw them. There were 2 mobs, one from Temple meads and one at Lloyds. They joined up and marched them down by Spike Island. We were waiting outside the Orchard for a taxi and they were trying to break out the escort to have a pop. There was only 6 of us. This was about 2.50, so there was no way they were ever gonna make kick off. It was a fair old mob, I estimated 700/800 at the time. You got a taxi from The Orchard ? It ain’t far to The Gate from there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freezer Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: You got a taxi from The Orchard ? It ain’t far to The Gate from there... It isn't that far, but if you've been on the glider, getting from The Orchard to The Gate is like climbing the south face of the Eiger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 7 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Tbh stewards on the ground from the Dolman if you watch the footage- very quick off the mark. The 3 minute video showed them holding fort for 2 mins before police showed up. However questions can be asked of the police for sure and perhaps Security top brass at the club. Why a lack of police and senior, experienced stewards at the Dolman/Atyeo corner from the get go? Usually you have both- saw some of match footage and there were 2 what seemed to be youngish stewards and no police in that corner until obviously things went wrong...what was that planning all about?? Putting aside this specific issue, quite a few questions for police and club to answer IMO. Completely agree with this. Its as if the club dont have anyone who is responsible for thinking about how to handle problems should they arise. With the completion of the ground redevelopment the segregation of home and away fans, with away fans in a stand alone area, must be amongst the easiest to control in the entire football league, yet we are unable to do so. There are only two possible flash points, at either corner of the Atyeo, both areas can easily be made secure with a minimum amount of effort on the clubs part, they simply don’t appear to have the right people in place to make those decisions. Barriers / stewards / Police in place PRIOR to fans coming into the stadium = fewer if any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello Dave Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 8 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: You got a taxi from The Orchard ? It ain’t far to The Gate from there... It was 10 to 3! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 8 hours ago, freezer said: It isn't that far, but if you've been on the glider, getting from The Orchard to The Gate is like climbing the south face of the Eiger. Wait till you try the north face! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieH Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 10 hours ago, KevP said: @JulieH said they all had tickets and all went through the turnstiles. Is this in doubt then TM / BBSB ???? I saw them going though the turnstiles on cctv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieH Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 13 hours ago, BigAlToby&Liam said: So would I. But I don’t think it would make me want to fight with anyone though..... These are the questions I’ve asked of @JulieH and are the ones I’m waiting for an answer. I’m guessing I’m on ignore Who agreed to allow Swansea an almost 50% more tickets and why? Why were those fans who enjoyed an escort so late? Why - after trouble during the game - were both sets of fans allowed to leave at the same time? I’d really like to know the answers to these questions. Ultimate responsibility for the behaviour on Saturday rests with those who were behind it. That however shouldn’t be used as an excuse for failure of decisions or planning on behalf of others - be that BCFC, the stewards or the police. I will try and answer but some have already been answered 1) as previously stated before the game bcfc allocate away tickets 2) this is now subject to an investigation however as prev stated the escort left in plenty of time , there were incidents in route which are subject to further investigation and I am not able to comment any further I am afraid. 3) again already answered this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, JulieH said: I saw them going though the turnstiles on cctv Thank you. That clears that up. Can I ask if they were all searched please? As I home fan I have to open my jacket, have bag searches and I’ve seen fans be patted down although this has never happened to me at a home match. Away is very different, nearly always have a full pat down as well as bag and pocket searches. Did each and every Swansea fan have a through search, even the ones arriving late? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieH Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 19 hours ago, BigAlToby&Liam said: Simples. To prevent the enevitable fighting in Greville Smythe afterwards. **** me it wasn’t rocket science. And just think. If they’d done that the ******* dog would’ve been ok . Odd though that @JulieH is happy to come on here and put one side of the story but when there’s a **** up or two you hear absolutely nothing. I’m interested to see whether lessons have been learned from Saturday’s debacle when the mighty Leeds are in town.... Reckon they’ll arrive late? Or be allowed so many tickets? Or stand in the sterile areas? Or whether BCFC supporters will be allowed to swarm into that corner of the Dolman? I have had 1 day off and now back at work albeit in court all morning for another football case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BessexRED Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 13 hours ago, harrys said: Where had they been to be coming that way ? V shed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BessexRED Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, JulieH said: I have had 1 day off and now back at work albeit in court all morning for another football case. Probably for another case that could’ve been prevented had you done your due diligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieH Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, RedM said: Thank you. That clears that up. Can I ask if they were all searched please? As I home fan I have to open my jacket, have bag searches and I’ve seen fans be patted down although this has never happened to me at a home match. Away is very different, nearly always have a full pat down as well as bag and pocket searches. Did each and every Swansea fan have a through search, even the ones arriving late? There is an investigation ongoing into that and other issues as you would expect so until that has been completed I am not able to comment unfortunately. I will update when I can but there is cctv to trawl through to ascertain facts which when able can then be reported. I appreciate there are so many questions but when something like this happens it is important to get facts from cctv/ stewards and police to try and find out what happened on the day. the cctv I saw live only covered the turnstile area at the time , but everything was covered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieH Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, BessexRED said: Probably for another case that could’ve been prevented had you done your due diligence. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 15 minutes ago, BessexRED said: Probably for another case that could’ve been prevented had you done your due diligence. Yeah, cos everything police related that goes wrong at AG is Julies fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TETBURY MASSIVE Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 28 minutes ago, JulieH said: I saw them going though the turnstiles on cctv That doesn't prove that they all had tickets.......! 2 minutes ago, Dollymarie said: Yeah, cos everything police related that goes wrong at AG is Julies fault No surprise you are sticking up for your bestie....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmissionImpossible Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said: That doesn't prove that they all had tickets.......! No surprise you are sticking up for your bestie....... How did they get through the turnstiles if they didn’t have tickets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TETBURY MASSIVE Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, EmissionImpossible said: How did they get through the turnstiles if they didn’t have tickets? Really.... Turnstiles can be overridden..... people can push through them...... just because our resident police person said it defiantly happened doesn't mean its the truth! Could she honestly stand in court and swear under oath that every single Swansea fan that entered the ground on Saturday had a ticket?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 22 minutes ago, JulieH said: There is an investigation ongoing into that and other issues as you would expect so until that has been completed I am not able to comment unfortunately. I will update when I can but there is cctv to trawl through to ascertain facts which when able can then be reported. I appreciate there are so many questions but when something like this happens it is important to get facts from cctv/ stewards and police to try and find out what happened on the day. the cctv I saw live only covered the turnstile area at the time , but everything was covered Thank you for your answer, totally understand why it cannot be answered until the full facts are known but I expect you can appreciate why I would be concerned and I hope you pass this on to others in the meeting. I would hope that fans who turn up an hour before KO to their own home match aren’t subjected to all manner of searches etc when late arriving ‘high spirited’ away fans aren’t as it might upset them further. Obviously im not ‘having a go’ at @JulieHpersonally about the policing at the match, but as she is the liaison on here I would like my concerns taken to those that make these decisions, and in due course the answers please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbo Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 16 minutes ago, Dollymarie said: Yeah, cos everything police related that goes wrong at AG is Julies fault Not just at AG by the sounds of some of the posters in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 13 minutes ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said: That doesn't prove that they all had tickets.......! No surprise you are sticking up for your bestie....... No surprise you are taking any chance to have a pop at either her or me. (And she’s not my bestie thanks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmissionImpossible Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said: Really.... Turnstiles can be overridden..... people can push through them...... just because our resident police person said it defiantly happened doesn't mean its the truth! Could she honestly stand in court and swear under oath that every single Swansea fan that entered the ground on Saturday had a ticket?? You don’t like the police do you..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 Maybe the police should have done what WMP do to our fans in Birmingham? Put the drink filled group in the coaches or trains that brought them here and send them back home. An invasion of civil liberties? Maybe but would it not be warranted? And thus, BCFC do not get the blame for an incident that could and should have been avoided. Avon & Somerset plod do the crazy thing. Take them to the stadium and expect peace and quiet for the rest of their time in Bristol. Perhaps our Club is also partly to blame by not carefully vetting the purchase of tickets in A block Dolman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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