fatman Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 After the Swansea match which took us back to the 80s has safe standing been set back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicseason Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, fatman said: After the Swansea match which took us back to the 80s has safe standing been set back. Plus the Millwall trouble. More like the 70's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 Not necessarily. But it will not be for anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 They can sit comfortably on their pampers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 4, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 15 minutes ago, fatman said: After the Swansea match which took us back to the 80s has safe standing been set back. Not at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfctim Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 The proposed section would be at the opposite end of the ground from the away fans so I don't see why this would affect the thinking - if everything it would take those types of fan away from where they might cause trouble. Though admittedly the people that would be making the ultimate decision don't tend to follow that kind of logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Cat Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 43 minutes ago, fatman said: After the Swansea match which took us back to the 80s has safe standing been set back. No... it's probably "safer" scrapping on terracing rather than stumbling over and getting wedged in seats at the same time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNasty Filth Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 Nah, don't think so. Doesn't matter wether you are standing or sitting, trouble will find trouble regardless. Make sure security is properly implemented and everything will be fine. Cant wait for standing to come back personally. The amount of fans you see standing in the prem over the last couple of years has really surprised me! Much more than in the championship, which is ironic as many seem to maintain we have the more passionate vociferours fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 34 minutes ago, bcfctim said: The proposed section would be at the opposite end of the ground from the away fans so I don't see why this would affect the thinking - if everything it would take those types of fan away from where they might cause trouble. Though admittedly the people that would be making the ultimate decision don't tend to follow that kind of logic Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Magicseason said: Plus the Millwall trouble. More like the 70's Or the Mem Stad - more like the 70s. The 1870s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 3 hours ago, fatman said: After the Swansea match which took us back to the 80s has safe standing been set back. No. I don’t see any relation whatsoever between the incidents on Saturday and allowing people to safely stand in areas where they already stand. I saw a couple of these posts on Saturday and thought what a lazy conclusion to jump to. Ridiculous comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 I'd like to say no... However, I think how the authorities rightly or wrongly may see it is basically: "Standing makes trouble more likely." Plus "Easier to control when seated". It certainly won't sink the Safe standing idea however it could add a bit of a frustrating waiting time, could stall it a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland_exile Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 4 hours ago, fatman said: After the Swansea match which took us back to the 80s has safe standing been set back. You realize AG is all seater? Maybe we should ban all-seaters after Sat? Maybe we should just make stadiums out of bouncy castles or something??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland_exile Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 4 hours ago, fatman said: After the Swansea match which took us back to the 80s has safe standing been set back. and how on earth did it take us back to the 80s!?! There was pushing and shoving, some wild swings thrown, loads of people bouncing about and... erm... people running around shouting! Maybe some more swings and more running about outside... Granted, I wasn't there on Sat, but I'm willing to bet anything I will ever own that it didn't amount to even 1% of, for instance, Charlton or Pompey or Cardiff or Gas, etc in the 90s, let alone the away battles at Plymouth and Millwall and so forth. Mountains and molehills!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 S2 8 minutes ago, poland_exile said: You realize AG is all seater? Maybe we should ban all-seaters after Sat? Spot on. I didn't see how being seated stopped anyone intent of causing trouble from doing so on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, poland_exile said: and how on earth did it take us back to the 80s!?! There was pushing and shoving, some wild swings thrown, loads of people bouncing about and... erm... people running around shouting! Maybe some more swings and more running about outside... Granted, I wasn't there on Sat, but I'm willing to bet anything I will ever own that it didn't amount to even 1% of, for instance, Charlton or Pompey or Cardiff or Gas, etc in the 90s, let alone the away battles at Plymouth and Millwall and so forth. Mountains and molehills!!!! Well you seem to be revelling in the disturbances, both of the past and the present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 37 minutes ago, poland_exile said: and how on earth did it take us back to the 80s!?! There was pushing and shoving, some wild swings thrown, loads of people bouncing about and... erm... people running around shouting! Maybe some more swings and more running about outside... Granted, I wasn't there on Sat, but I'm willing to bet anything I will ever own that it didn't amount to even 1% of, for instance, Charlton or Pompey or Cardiff or Gas, etc in the 90s, let alone the away battles at Plymouth and Millwall and so forth. Mountains and molehills!!!! In fairness, it was reminiscent of the Charlton FA cup game. The trouble inside the ground was the most prolonged and serious (as in not just handbags from behind a fence, but actual effort to get to each other) that there has been for a long time. Nothing like the Pompey 3-3 game, granted, but far more than you ever usually see in this day and age. Plus it went on and on, for what seemed like most of the match..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 What a strange post. Police and stewards mess up by letting in loads of drunk Swansea fans in fifteen minutes late so creating an aggressive atmosphere and then compound that problem by not holding Swansea back after the game to prevent further clashes. Therefore safe standing is to blame. Why not blame climate change or Brexit while you're at it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlesh*t Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 11 hours ago, bcfctim said: The proposed section would be at the opposite end of the ground from the away fans so I don't see why this would affect the thinking - if everything it would take those types of fan away from where they might cause trouble. Though admittedly the people that would be making the ultimate decision don't tend to follow that kind of logic Those types of fans? I would much rather stand at a game of football but that doesn't make me someone who is there for trouble. I also bet some of those fans who did cause trouble don't always stand at football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 2 incidents of trouble. 1 inside the ground and 1 in the park outside. Involving around 5% if not less of the attendance. The reaction to it all is worse than the ‘trouble’ in my opinion. I don’t condone it, the people involved are mindless idiots fighting over a football match but the reaction is getting out of control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland_exile Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 7 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: In fairness, it was reminiscent of the Charlton FA cup game. The trouble inside the ground was the most prolonged and serious (as in not just handbags from behind a fence, but actual effort to get to each other) that there has been for a long time. Nothing like the Pompey 3-3 game, granted, but far more than you ever usually see in this day and age. Plus it went on and on, for what seemed like most of the match..! fair enough! (lesson: don't comment on things you didn't see! argh!) 8 hours ago, RumRed said: Well you seem to be revelling in the disturbances, both of the past and the present. hmm, was on quite a high horse for some reason or other last night, an evening down the pub was involved! But no, not revelling, just incredulous that what looked like handbags was being compared to some of the wild rioting we've seen at the gate. (turns out, mind, that I was wrong!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmissionImpossible Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 How can safe standing be to blame when everyone was in an all seater stand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 12 hours ago, fatman said: After the Swansea match which took us back to the 80s has safe standing been set back. Based on what? Btw - nothing on the OS stating that. More wild speculation............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 hour ago, You Do The Dziekanowski said: 2 incidents of trouble. 1 inside the ground and 1 in the park outside. Involving around 5% if not less of the attendance. The reaction to it all is worse than the ‘trouble’ in my opinion. I don’t condone it, the people involved are mindless idiots fighting over a football match but the reaction is getting out of control I don’t think the reaction is ‘getting out of control’, would you agree that the problem inside the ground went on for some considerable time? It could and should have been nipped in the bud with the correct action. Outside the ground I witnessed trouble that I had not seen for many years, and yes I am an old fart who has attended games for many, many years. I want to attend matches with my young family members safe in the knowledge that they can enjoy themselves without having to be in the middle of a pitched battle, and if you were in or near the park as we were that was exactly what it was. I actually think an over reaction would be a good thing, perhaps then the club and police might sit up and take notice. I hope that the four young ones Whose tickets I pay for will take my place when I die, perhaps I should think about turning them off football for their own safety, What do you think? Please don’t trot out the ‘yobs only fight amongst themselves’ line, because I know different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said: What a strange post. Police and stewards mess up by letting in loads of drunk Swansea fans in fifteen minutes late so creating an aggressive atmosphere and then compound that problem by not holding Swansea back after the game to prevent further clashes. Therefore safe standing is to blame. Why not blame climate change or Brexit while you're at it? Are they allowed to hold back away fans now? Read varied things online, think advance notice has to be given at a minimum requirement. Some sources also a court case even got it overturned on civil liberties grounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Based on what? Btw - nothing on the OS stating that. More wild speculation............... It was a question to stimulate discussion. This is a forum. A discussion forum. You see the link, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 9 hours ago, poland_exile said: You realize AG is all seater? Maybe we should ban all-seaters after Sat? Maybe we should just make stadiums out of bouncy castles or something??? That's not a bad idea. It would certainly improve the next home game with Preston when we are losing again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 Problem is though it's a tenuous link, it's one that authorities would draw. In order to get things like safe standing introduced and hopefully in time, alcohol in view of the pitch brought back then fans in the ground need to be good as gold basically and be seen to be good as gold too. Not saying don't be noisy, banter with away fans but scenes like Saturday, people spilling onto the pitch would put doubt and justify further consultation by the authorities in their eyes. The park stuff is a bit of a red herring in this sense. They're looking for excuses to fudge it for a bit longer IMO, fans shouldn't give them one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 24 minutes ago, elhombrecito said: It was a question to stimulate discussion. This is a forum. A discussion forum. You see the link, right? There are sensible discussion and there are unfortunately ridiculous discussions and this thread is the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfctim Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Littlesh*t said: Those types of fans? I would much rather stand at a game of football but that doesn't make me someone who is there for trouble. I also bet some of those fans who did cause trouble don't always stand at football. That's not what I meant. Course not all those who like standing are looking for trouble, but of those who might possibly be looking for trouble probably more than not would be interested in standing, and therefore would end up away from where they would find it. So not only would safe standing not be the cause of this or make it worse, indirectly it would help make it better. As well as improve the atmosphere and everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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