Super Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 Interesting this from Ryan Mason. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47232257 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 "If you have got a seven- or eight-year-old heading a solid ball, and his brain and his bone in his skull isn't fully developed, then that could potentially be doing damage," Mason told BBC London. The Professional Footballers' Association (PFA) has previously called for restrictions for youngsters to be introduced in the UK until the long-term health risks of heading are better understood There are already limitations and restrictions placed on kids football. At the early ages kids play with a retreat line which discourages aerial play and a size three ball. Seven and eight year olds frequently play with a size two football. Post ten its size four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 Will be an imaginary football before long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderMB Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 The Alan Shearer CTE documentary was pretty eye-opening, especially the follow-up statistics - essentially, if you played football as a kid and you used to head the ball all the time, there's a chance it's given you some form of brain damage. With all that being said, I would rather the FA invest more money into research over blanket bans, because even if you stop youth clubs from heading the ball, you'll never stop kids doing it in the playgrounds at school (if they even play football any more at lunchtime?) or heading the ball in the park with their mates. If their Premier League heroes are going to bang headers in, they'll do it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 Never did i no arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 I can of agree with him to be honest, your body is still developing so restricting it makes sense under the age of 13, that said balls are also getting lighter then 10 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 30 minutes ago, EnderMB said: The Alan Shearer CTE documentary was pretty eye-opening, especially the follow-up statistics - essentially, if you played football as a kid and you used to head the ball all the time, there's a chance it's given you some form of brain damage. With all that being said, I would rather the FA invest more money into research over blanket bans, because even if you stop youth clubs from heading the ball, you'll never stop kids doing it in the playgrounds at school (if they even play football any more at lunchtime?) or heading the ball in the park with their mates. If their Premier League heroes are going to bang headers in, they'll do it too. I watched the Alan Shearer video and it also failed to point out what the FA have in place.. The FA have already take steps to increase safety. The implementation of smaller sized balls along with helping to increase skill increases safety - The smaller size ball (3&4) x knee position reduces injury, increase the size of ball for early ages to size 5 x knee positions injury increases. Kids in U7, U8, U9 play with size three balls which are far lighter than size fives, u10's U11's, U12's its size four etc. Kids at these ages head the ball very little both due to the limitations/restrictions placed on the game and physical literacy of children. Down the park its a different matter. Nike and Adidas sell those flashy balls in size five to anybody along with the flimsy flashy boots that also increase injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 Wants a sponge ball. Try that in the rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 14, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 Are football's not much lighter nowadays than they used to be? There aren't hundreds of people going around with problems nowadays from heading a ball, just seems yet another modern day over reaction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 46 minutes ago, EnderMB said: The Alan Shearer CTE documentary was pretty eye-opening, especially the follow-up statistics - essentially, if you played football as a kid and you used to head the ball all the time, there's a chance it's given you some form of brain damage. With all that being said, I would rather the FA invest more money into research over blanket bans, because even if you stop youth clubs from heading the ball, you'll never stop kids doing it in the playgrounds at school (if they even play football any more at lunchtime?) or heading the ball in the park with their mates. If their Premier League heroes are going to bang headers in, they'll do it too. I think the research is the key thing here. It has been pointed out there are things already in place. If there is an evidence base they are effective then fair enough. If not, more needs to be done. On an unrelated note, I wonder if an unintended side effect of a ban would be an improvement in the technical quality of players. A lot has changed since I was a kid so don’t know how it is now but I always felt youth football favoured the kids who grew the fastest and who could literally play above everyone else. And those players were less likely to develop their skills because they were already better than their peers. This could help us produce more skilful players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 I suggest wearing full faced crash helmets ⛑ ....that’d be interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 54 minutes ago, Rossi the Robin said: Will be an imaginary football before long Too dangerous, will never happen. Bless the little poppets . When I think back to our 30 something a side matches down Lulsgate Bottom there was no faking and no quarter given . You had Leeds, Liverpool, Gerry Gow as your role models . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderMB Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, phantom said: Are football's not much lighter nowadays than they used to be? There aren't hundreds of people going around with problems nowadays from heading a ball, just seems yet another modern day over reaction I think the key point from the Alan Shearer doc was that he played with the lighter ball, and still had issues when tested. A lot of it is down to what you consider to be "problems". From the NFL cases, it was discovered that many retired footballers weren't suffering the extreme side-effects of CTE, but had an increased chance of dementia, were more prone to aggressive outbursts as they grew older, and had trouble sleeping. The first point is the big one, but I think that as research improves we're started to see how the latter points are a result of mild brain damage instead of just "getting older". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Slippin cider said: I suggest wearing full faced crash helmets ⛑ ....that’d be interesting... What you do in the comfort of your own bedroom concerns no one on OTIB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 The good old 99p floater ball is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, wood_red said: The good old 99p floater ball is required. Would that be the kind that when kicked goes for about a mile if there’s a brisk westerly blowing? ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 25 minutes ago, phantom said: Are football's not much lighter nowadays than they used to be? There aren't hundreds of people going around with problems nowadays from heading a ball, just seems yet another modern day over reaction No and yes. Balls used in kids football are because they use different size balls. Adults no … Peoples perception is they are but useless fact for the day … They do not retain water like old footballs so can't get heavier, but curl and swing more due reduction in panelling which affects aerodynamic stability. Size five is the same weight as it has been more or less for years and years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsince1994 Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Rossi the Robin said: Will be an imaginary football before long I once broke somebodies thumb playing balloon football. Imaginary football would be even worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 14, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, EnderMB said: I think the key point from the Alan Shearer doc was that he played with the lighter ball, and still had issues when tested. But surely there are hundreds of thousands of people that have played football, yet there are not that many walking around with head/ brain problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: I think the research is the key thing here. It has been pointed out there are things already in place. If there is an evidence base they are effective then fair enough. If not, more needs to be done. On an unrelated note, I wonder if an unintended side effect of a ban would be an improvement in the technical quality of players. A lot has changed since I was a kid so don’t know how it is now but I always felt youth football favoured the kids who grew the fastest and who could literally play above everyone else. And those players were less likely to develop their skills because they were already better than their peers. This could help us produce more skilful players. And the reduction insize of ball, pitch size, retreat lines, emphasis on small sided games till U13, foundation level coaching philosophy is aiming to do this … A very long way to go but that has changed, it is a massive change, off at tangents things like relative age effect / birth bias is being recognised and understood by coaches and clubs more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 Below head height football. Certainly will improve their passing at a young age . If it saves one young child then it’s worth it . Times change more research more information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 40 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Below head height football. Certainly will improve their passing at a young age . If it saves one young child then it’s worth it . Times change more research more information At U7 - U10's kids are playing mini football. The pitches are so small, the ball size reduced coupled with physical limitation it is below head football by its nature. Matches are thirty to forty minutes long. Kids head the ball rarely, some not all, seriously some kids never head the ball at those ages season long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 My son is 8 and has been playing football for a club for 18 months. Probably played 45 x 1.5 hours of football. Half 5/6 a side matches and and half training sessions. Probably seen him head the ball 10-15 times, so it is very rare. I will be more worried when he is a bit older and is expected to head the ball from a long goalkeepers kick. That can’t be good for the brain for an adult let alone a teenager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, phantom said: But surely there are hundreds of thousands of people that have played football, yet there are not that many walking around with head/ brain problems? What are you struggling o understand about this. Alan Shearer, whilst not openly showing any signs of brain injury, had tests done on his documentary that showed considerable damage, that is likely to change his behaviour sometime in the future. The NFL have recently started extensive research, and it’s not looking positive. A very small percentage of brain injury can be diagnosed, and an undeveloped skull leaves the brain open to all types of impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Slippin cider said: Would that be the kind that when kicked goes for about a mile if there’s a brisk westerly blowing? ... They were great, any wind and you wouldn't be able to head it because when you jump it was in a different place!! When they lost a bit of air they were a bit more "true". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathandao Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 I don't quite understand this. Ryan Mason got his injury going up for a header, and being headed instead of the ball. Nothing to do with the ball. Having grown up playing with the size 3 & 4 balls, they were very light and did more damage when they were a bit flat and wet. Kids aren't going to be jumping a meter in the air and going head to head with Adebayo Akinfenwa, so why change it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderMB Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 hours ago, phantom said: But surely there are hundreds of thousands of people that have played football, yet there are not that many walking around with head/ brain problems? It's more about increased risk, and our ability to now detect and predict that increased risk. It doesn't mean that they'll get brain issues in the short-term, or maybe even the long-term. It indicates that there is an increased risk in things like dementia, mood swings, and other symptoms of brain injury. It doesn't guarantee them, though, in the same way that a smoker might never get cancer, while a 20 year old vegan from the countryside who has never drunk/smoked could get lung cancer. What has been discovered is that the risk found from repeated heading of the ball is significantly higher than assumed, to the point where kids don't even need to have been career footballers to have significantly increased the risk of demantia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 47 minutes ago, Nathandao said: I don't quite understand this. Ryan Mason got his injury going up for a header, and being headed instead of the ball. Nothing to do with the ball. Having grown up playing with the size 3 & 4 balls, they were very light and did more damage when they were a bit flat and wet. Kids aren't going to be jumping a meter in the air and going head to head with Adebayo Akinfenwa, so why change it? Details above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, JasonM88 said: What are you struggling o understand about this. Alan Shearer, whilst not openly showing any signs of brain injury, had tests done on his documentary that showed considerable damage, that is likely to change his behaviour sometime in the future. The NFL have recently started extensive research, and it’s not looking positive. A very small percentage of brain injury can be diagnosed, and an undeveloped skull leaves the brain open to all types of impact. That is a bit rude to the poster. What was identified was temporary chemical difference pre and post heading a football. Alan Shearer's test showed no cumulative results showing any damage. After an MRI scan the specialists could see no difference between Alan Shearers brain and somebody who had not played football. At present it is inconclusive if rates in football players with dementia are related at all to heading a football, or concussive injuries, these are differing things. Players in the NFL suffer frequent concussions - Its an uneven parallel. The FA and junior clubs do have concussion guidelines to be followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS2 Red Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 3 hours ago, phantom said: But surely there are hundreds of thousands of people that have played football, yet there are not that many walking around with head/ brain problems? Have you seen the state of people in this country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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