MC RISK77 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Wow no messing around from the efl very heavy fine for a storm in a teacup imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 No points deduction though. That's the only thing that really impacts on bigger clubs who see no issue with trampling over their rivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted February 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said: No points deduction though. That's the only thing that really impacts on bigger clubs who see no issue with trampling over their rivals. Did they really trample all over their rivals though...anyone from the public could have watched that training session Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 SL certainly felt so from his comments. A £200k fine says the EFL consider that what they did was wrong. So if they want to make it clear that it isn't acceptable then they should do something that really discourages others from doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Could be good valve for Leeds if it helped getting a point or 2 extra, could make all the difference in a tight league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelksRed Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 200k.......What a punishment (not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, sh1t_ref_again said: Could be good valve for Leeds if it helped getting a point or 2 extra, could make all the difference in a tight league Agreed. Monetary penalties are a nonsense at this level. Punishments should be by way of points deductions or transfer embargo’s. Otherwise there’s no real deterrent. Not that I think Leeds deserve either, in this instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Still don’t get what they did wrong. Can anyone point me to the rule they broke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47285098 Serves them right................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 35 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said: No points deduction though. That's the only thing that really impacts on bigger clubs who see no issue with trampling over their rivals. If points had been deducted, Leeds would have spent £200k on a legal team who'd have successfully appealed the EFL's punishment. Remember Spurs getting a 24 point deduction? Alan Sugar took the League to court and had 12 points restored. he appealed again and got the other 12 back. Punishments tend to be in reverse severity to a team's position. In the sixties P'boro' had financial irregularities and were told, regardless of their final position, they would be relegated to the fourth division at the season's end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globe Trotter Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Not much of a punishment is it, I wouldn’t get out of bed for £200k! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Shocking!!!!! £200k fine for what? No rules broke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 37 minutes ago, MelksRed said: 200k.......What a punishment (not) One hell of a punishment when they have done nothing wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyed Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Well it will be more clear in the future as there is a new rule around it: "In addition, Leeds United has agreed to support a new EFL Regulation that make it clear that Clubs will be expressly prohibited from viewing opposition training in the 72 hours immediately prior to a fixture, unless invited to do so." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 So for all those who said SL should wind his neck in- it appears that the EFL agreed 100%. Steve Lansdown: not really embarassing after all- just a top English owner making sense in a football world that doesn't . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: So for all those who said SL should wind his neck in- it appears that the EFL agreed 100%. Steve Lansdown: not really embarassing after all- just a top English owner making sense in a football world that doesn't . Where’s the rule, still can’t find it? edit: Just checked and there wasn’t one, I’d be pretty pissed off if I were Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 I’m inclined to agree with the couple of posters above who think this is harsh. No rules were broken, so, to be given a relatively hefty fine (compared to the paltry ones given out for things such as ‘failing to control players’ etc) seems wrong. What Leeds did is definitely not ‘in the spirit of the game’ but they haven’t broken any rules. Not sure why the EFL buckled under pressure.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I’m inclined to agree with the couple of posters above who think this is harsh. No rules were broken, so, to be given a relatively hefty fine (compared to the paltry ones given out for things such as ‘failing to control players’ etc) seems wrong. What Leeds did is definitely not ‘in the spirit of the game’ but they haven’t broken any rules. Not sure why the EFL buckled under pressure.... Wonder if SL would be so happy to apply retrospective taxation to Guernsey? All perfectly legal but is it ‘in the spirit of the game’ as it were? Stones and glass houses spring to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I’m inclined to agree with the couple of posters above who think this is harsh. No rules were broken, so, to be given a relatively hefty fine (compared to the paltry ones given out for things such as ‘failing to control players’ etc) seems wrong. What Leeds did is definitely not ‘in the spirit of the game’ but they haven’t broken any rules. Not sure why the EFL buckled under pressure.... That’s probably the rule they broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: That’s probably the rule they broke. As does every team in every match nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, RumRed said: Where’s the rule, still can’t find it? edit: Just checked and there wasn’t one, I’d be pretty pissed off if I were Leeds. So why not phone the club up and ask to watch the training session, instead of hiding in bushes in a behind closed doors session? Some things you just don't do...unwritten laws etc. Same as spitting on an opponent in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, spudski said: So why not phone the club up and ask to watch the training session, instead of hiding in bushes in a behind closed doors session? Some things you just don't do...unwritten laws etc. Same as spitting on an opponent in my book. It’s wrong I agree but spitting is an offence, what Leeds did is not. Punishment through retrospective rule changes is a bad precedent imo. Use it as an example to change the rules in future. Should anyone who smoked in a pub prior to the ban be fined for their previous offences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, RumRed said: It’s wrong I agree but spitting is an offence, what Leeds did is not. You know what I mean...hiding in bushes...think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 22 minutes ago, RumRed said: Where’s the rule, still can’t find it? edit: Just checked and there wasn’t one, I’d be pretty pissed off if I were Leeds. Just because there isn't a rule/law doesn't make something right. I'm no lawyer, but I think I'm right in saying that in the legal system there is law and equity. My understanding is that equity is where a law doesn't exist but where something is not right or fair. This seems such a situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, spudski said: You know what I mean...hiding in bushes...think about it. Sorry edited my post as you responded, I don’t see how hiding in a bush is a thing, maybe I would like to be judged on my actions under the law when said actions occurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, RumRed said: 2 minutes ago, RumRed said: Sorry edited my post as you responded, I don’t see how hiding in a bush is a thing, maybe I would like to be judged on my actions under the law when said actions occurred. A bit like sitting in a tree watching your fit neighbour stripping off...no law against it, but you just don't do it... Some things you just don't do in life, regardless of laws It's morals. Can imagine your response about 'laws' when fit neighbours husband lumps you one. Now do you get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, downendcity said: Just because there isn't a rule/law doesn't make something right. I'm no lawyer, but I think I'm right in saying that in the legal system there is law and equity. My understanding is that equity is where a law doesn't exist but where something is not right or fair. This seems such a situation. I don't think many are saying what they done is "right". But I bet the 200k fine was already agreed by Leeds and the EFL so they wouldn't appeal before the story being released. If the fine was millions or points deducted Leeds would take them to court and imo would win the case in no time at all, due to the simple fact they haven't broken a single rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, spudski said: A bit like sitting in a tree watching your fit neighbour stripping off...no law against it, but you just don't do it... Some things you just don't do in life, regardless of laws It's morals. Can imagine your response about 'laws' when fit neighbours husband lumps you one. Now do you get it? I do but I was responding specifically to @Marina's Rolls Royce complaining SL shouldn’t have to wind his neck in. The hypocrisy of ‘playing fair!’ is laughable. BTW there is a law not to spy on your neighbour’s wife whilst sat in a tree, there isn't about watching a football training session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, spudski said: A bit like sitting in a tree watching your fit neighbour stripping off...no law against it, but you just don't do it... Some things you just don't do in life, regardless of laws It's morals. Can imagine your response about 'laws' when fit neighbours husband lumps you one. Now do you get it? So if there is no law then you wouldn't get fined for it then? That's my point, they have made it up as they go along due some uproar from the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 25 minutes ago, Davefevs said: That’s probably the rule they broke. ‘Doing something that isn’t in the spirit of the game’ - is that a genuine rule?! How can that be applied? And if it is, it would apply to a zillion other ‘non offences’ - eg players skipping yards down the touchline every single time they take a throw-in - there would be fines for every club, every week.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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