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10 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

I saw on IG he could leave on a free at the end of the season. Is this true ? Hadn’t heard that before TBH

No, he's another year left. If he goes we get a fee.

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I think he will sign a new contract with a clause inserted that he can sign for Prem club if we don’t get promoted and they meet the clubs valuation

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I suspect his agent will tell him to hold off signing until he knows whether we will be promoted or not.

He could ask for a lot more money if we do and if we miss out he can see what sort of genuine interest there is from other clubs, either way COD holds the the cards.

I would like the great ‘ human being ‘ to stay and progress with us but he is not irreplaceable.

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2 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

I suspect his agent will tell him to hold off signing until he knows whether we will be promoted or not.

He could ask for a lot more money if we do and if we miss out he can see what sort of genuine interest there is from other clubs, either way COD holds the the cards.

I would like the great ‘ human being ‘ to stay and progress with us but he is not irreplaceable.

To be fair he could get all of that put within the clauses of a new deal with us. With the further advantage that both the player & agent would get two signing on fees if he then moved on after signing with us - ala Flint.

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Personally, think everyone should enjoy watching Callum for the next few months. Come summer I believe he will be gone for a fee in the 5m range(last year of deal if we get more great!). 

Also, while a big loss, I’d be excited to see more of Eliasson and Adelakun. If Callum is sold, there would be no panic to replace him. We have options so whatever fee we receive would almost be pure profit towards FFP. May mean we can hold off selling another during the summer. 

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15 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Personally, think everyone should enjoy watching Callum for the next few months. Come summer I believe he will be gone for a fee in the 5m range(last year of deal if we get more great!). 

Also, while a big loss, I’d be excited to see more of Eliasson and Adelakun. If Callum is sold, there would be no panic to replace him. We have options so whatever fee we receive would almost be pure profit towards FFP. May mean we can hold off selling another during the summer. 

I struggle to see how we will get £5m for him when his contract is up next summer. He hasn’t exactly been brilliant this season. 

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32 minutes ago, RedDave said:

I struggle to see how we will get £5m for him when his contract is up next summer. He hasn’t exactly been brilliant this season. 

I think you may be in the minority RedDave - COD has been exceptional and his run of starts and strong performances is not coincidental to our very successful same run of games. Funny how we see things differently. 

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46 minutes ago, RedDave said:

I struggle to see how we will get £5m for him when his contract is up next summer. He hasn’t exactly been brilliant this season. 

Have to weigh it up.

Much less than 5m would it be better to keep him for the extra year while trying to convince him to stay while reaping the benefits on the pitch? 

I agree he hasn’t been as brilliant as some are saying but he is finally producing a bit more consistently. 3 goals and 5 assists in the league as a 23 year old is not bad for a wide player.

Compare him to Daniel James at Swansea. He has 2 goals and 4 assists in 5 less appearances. James is 2 years younger but at their ages I don’t think it affects fee too much. James being touted for 8 figures(11m in January was the rumour). So why shouldn’t we expect half that for Callum? 

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26 minutes ago, Kevin Brady said:

I think you may be in the minority RedDave - COD has been exceptional and his run of starts and strong performances is not coincidental to our very successful same run of games. Funny how we see things differently. 

Over the whole season he has been exceptional?  Disagree.  Think he has been exceptional in patches on our excellent run of results.  I don't think he has turned in the performances of a roughly £8-9m player which he would need to be for us to get £5m for him this summer.  

Has he grabbed many games by the scruff of the neck and won it for us?  Not many.  I loved COD more than most as I know he is young but, for me, he has a fair bit to go to be the prices we are talking here.  Still too inconsistent.  

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12 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Have to weigh it up.

Much less than 5m would it be better to keep him for the extra year while trying to convince him to stay while reaping the benefits on the pitch? 

I agree he hasn’t been as brilliant as some are saying but he is finally producing a bit more consistently. 3 goals and 5 assists in the league as a 23 year old is not bad for a wide player.

Compare him to Daniel James at Swansea. He has 2 goals and 4 assists in 5 less appearances. James is 2 years younger but at their ages I don’t think it affects fee too much. James being touted for 8 figures(11m in January was the rumour). So why shouldn’t we expect half that for Callum? 

James didn't go for £11m though.  Maybe Leeds didn't want to pay that much for him.

Not seen enough of James to give an opinion on him to be honest.  I think if we were to get £5m for him then it would be because a few teams wanted COD and the price got driven up.  I cannot see a lot of teams falling over themselves for him.  I cannot see how scouts are going to be watching him over a few games and calling their manager and saying you HAVE to sign this guy.

We will see I guess.  I've been wrong before...once I think!

Hopefully this doesn't read that I don't rate COD.  Would love nothing more for him to sign a new deal and watch his further progression. 

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43 minutes ago, RedDave said:

James didn't go for £11m though.  Maybe Leeds didn't want to pay that much for him.

Not seen enough of James to give an opinion on him to be honest.  I think if we were to get £5m for him then it would be because a few teams wanted COD and the price got driven up.  I cannot see a lot of teams falling over themselves for him.  I cannot see how scouts are going to be watching him over a few games and calling their manager and saying you HAVE to sign this guy.

We will see I guess.  I've been wrong before...once I think!

Hopefully this doesn't read that I don't rate COD.  Would love nothing more for him to sign a new deal and watch his further progression. 

Apparently the fee with Leeds was agreed but Swansea plaued up last min with James in Leeds ready to sign! Though that fee has not come out I do not think. 

My only point is that there is a market to look at when it comes to valuing COD. Champ starters in their early 20s don’t go for 2-3m much anymore. We see all our players and form opinions on how good they are but from the outside looking in I imagine COD is held in very high regard in England with his performances as  of late and his reputation with Ireland. 

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10 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Apparently the fee with Leeds was agreed but Swansea plaued up last min with James in Leeds ready to sign! Though that fee has not come out I do not think. 

My only point is that there is a market to look at when it comes to valuing COD. Champ starters in their early 20s don’t go for 2-3m much anymore. We see all our players and form opinions on how good they are but from the outside looking in I imagine COD is held in very high regard in England with his performances as  of late and his reputation with Ireland

Indeed, he got praise on Sunday from national outlets and that will be noticed.

James was an interesting one...his move collapsed partly as well along with Fer, possible Potter would have walked had they both left. The way the fee was structured also proved a sticking point- think Leeds were paying £1.5m now and £10m in the summer or that was their proposal anyway.

As for O'Dowda- £5m seems fairly likely/realistic IMO with the caveat being that last year of deal always knocks a bit off.

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8 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Apparently the fee with Leeds was agreed but Swansea plaued up last min with James in Leeds ready to sign! Though that fee has not come out I do not think. 

My only point is that there is a market to look at when it comes to valuing COD. Champ starters in their early 20s don’t go for 2-3m much anymore. We see all our players and form opinions on how good they are but from the outside looking in I imagine COD is held in very high regard in England with his performances as  of late and his reputation with Ireland. 

Completely agree the market has changed.  Just don't think, even with that in mind, that COD is worth £8/9/10m.  

I think we sometimes get blinkered as to the ability of our players.  I could show you games where he has been 'on it' this season but I could show as many games where he is nigh on anonymous.  

Actually think he has shown more promise centrally but rarely gets a chance to play there. 

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1 hour ago, RedDave said:

Over the whole season he has been exceptional?  Disagree.  Think he has been exceptional in patches on our excellent run of results.  I don't think he has turned in the performances of a roughly £8-9m player which he would need to be for us to get £5m for him this summer.  

Has he grabbed many games by the scruff of the neck and won it for us?  Not many.  I loved COD more than most as I know he is young but, for me, he has a fair bit to go to be the prices we are talking here.  Still too inconsistent.  

You saved me a lot of typing RD. 

That scruff of the neck comment is bang on imho. 

Top players are the difference...the ones that do something to raise an average team performance. For me COD flits in and out too much. 

Dont get me wrong, he has played well in this good run, and showed (greater) potential than his good run prior to injury last season. He is starting to add more end product, but still got plenty of room to improve. 

@Kevin Brady out of interest are you friendly with COD or just a huge fan?  Is Brady an Irish connection with him? I’ve noticed you singing his praises a lot?

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1 hour ago, Kevin Brady said:

I think you may be in the minority RedDave - COD has been exceptional and his run of starts and strong performances is not coincidental to our very successful same run of games. Funny how we see things differently. 

Disagree hes average for me i personally dont get the hype , if he goes wouldnt lose any sleep of it .

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3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

You saved me a lot of typing RD. 

That scruff of the neck comment is bang on imho. 

Top players are the difference...the ones that do something to raise an average team performance. For me COD flits in and out too much. 

Dont get me wrong, he has played well in this good run, and showed (greater) potential than his good run prior to injury last season. He is starting to add more end product, but still got plenty of room to improve. 

@Kevin Brady out of interest are you friendly with COD or just a huge fan?  Is Brady an Irish connection with him? I’ve noticed you singing his praises a lot?

Huge Irish fan living here, also a massive COD fan.  I also wish Josh Brownhill was Irish!

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4 minutes ago, Kevin Brady said:

Huge Irish fan living here, also a massive COD fan.  I also wish Josh Brownhill was Irish!

He’s as Irish as Tony Cascarino!!!

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6 minutes ago, RedDave said:

Completely agree the market has changed.  Just don't think, even with that in mind, that COD is worth £8/9/10m.  

I think we sometimes get blinkered as to the ability of our players.  I could show you games where he has been 'on it' this season but I could show as many games where he is nigh on anonymous.  

Actually think he has shown more promise centrally but rarely gets a chance to play there. 

I don’t think COD is worth that either! I said 5m! 

I think I am usually quite fair on what our players values might be. I don’t base my predictions on how I feel about a player but more on what similar player are going for in similar positions at similar ages. Other aspects too like contract length or being an international player.

COD has most things on his side like age, international rep, and now producing some end product(8 combines goal and assists is over 20% of our total in the league I think). One thing going against his fee, a big one, is contract length. Think this maybe knocks off a couple mil during the summer. If he had 3 years left I do think we’d be asking 7-8m for him and rightly so. As it is he has a year left and for me that means he will be in that 5m range. We will see though. I am no expert but do pay a lot of attention on transfers across Europe

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1 hour ago, Kevin Brady said:

I think you may be in the minority RedDave - COD has been exceptional and his run of starts and strong performances is not coincidental to our very successful same run of games. Funny how we see things differently. 

No he hasn’t been exceptional at all. The occasional game when he impresses but way short of exceptional

I see him as a useful but unspectacular player.

I think you’re the one in the minority.

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4 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

I don’t think COD is worth that either! I said 5m! 

I think I am usually quite fair on what our players values might be. I don’t base my predictions on how I feel about a player but more on what similar player are going for in similar positions at similar ages. Other aspects too like contract length or being an international player.

COD has most things on his side like age, international rep, and now producing some end product(8 combines goal and assists is over 20% of our total in the league I think). One thing going against his fee, a big one, is contract length. Think this maybe knocks off a couple mil during the summer. If he had 3 years left I do think we’d be asking 7-8m for him and rightly so. As it is he has a year left and for me that means he will be in that 5m range. We will see though. I am no expert but do pay a lot of attention on transfers across Europe

That was a follow on to my previous point.  If he is worth £5m with one year left on contract then he must be worth a lot more if he had a longer contract.

Problem is we all see COD a lot more than we see other players.  Is James much better than COD for example?  No idea.  A lot of fans see a player once or twice and form an opinion.  If you watched COD against Villa (i.e. one game) you would think he was worth nowhere near these numbers. 

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7 minutes ago, Robbored said:

No he hasn’t been exceptional at all. The occasional game when he impresses but way short of exceptional

I see him as a useful but unspectacular player.

I think you’re the one in the minority.

Agree with this.  Kalas, Webster and Brownhill have been exceptional.

Maenpaa, Fielding, DaSilva have been very good.

I would put O'Dowda in the next list after these 6, along with the likes of Diedhiou, Pack, Weimann. 

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2 minutes ago, RedDave said:

That was a follow on to my previous point.  If he is worth £5m with one year left on contract then he must be worth a lot more if he had a longer contract.

Problem is we all see COD a lot more than we see other players.  Is James much better than COD for example?  No idea.  A lot of fans see a player once or twice and form an opinion.  If you watched COD against Villa (i.e. one game) you would think he was worth nowhere near these numbers. 

I guess what I am trying to say is his value id different to what we see. It doesn’t matter of he was awful against a few teams or spectacular against others. The things driving his value are 90% what we can all see.

Many good performances for Ireland. Lots of high praise from his managers. A good work ethic. Producing goals and assists for a good rate for a wide player. Decent set piece taker. A regular for a top 6 side in the championship. Still young and room to grow. 

Feel these things drive his value up moreso than he blows hot and cold. Of course when scouts get to the meat of it they will give their opinions but from a BCFC view of it the former will be a huge driving factor into any fee. 

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11 minutes ago, MichaelRobartes said:

Would be true if Tony had an Irish Granny.

Still can’t believe nobody actually checked!!!  How many caps did he get?

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Hopefully he's just a bit more of a slow burner in terms of season on season development. He's got all the tools he needs to succeed and is probably one of LJ's "good students" but i'd like to see more 7 and 8 performances on a weekly basis than 6s.

If he went this summer for a few mil and a sell on %, i don't think it would be a huge loss right now but there is certainly more untapped potential.

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3 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

I guess what I am trying to say is his value id different to what we see. It doesn’t matter of he was awful against a few teams or spectacular against others. The things driving his value are 90% what we can all see.

Many good performances for Ireland. Lots of high praise from his managers. A good work ethic. Producing goals and assists for a good rate for a wide player. Decent set piece taker. A regular for a top 6 side in the championship. Still young and room to grow. 

Feel these things drive his value up moreso than he blows hot and cold. Of course when scouts get to the meat of it they will give their opinions but from a BCFC view of it the former will be a huge driving factor into any fee. 

Re bold. It does matter, because he will have been scouted several times by prospective suitors and they will note if he’s inconsistent.  Perceived ceiling value will be driven down. 

As they say, never buy a player just because he plays well against you. 

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I believe many managers would love to have COD. He's a fantastic team player, very versatile and works his socks off. And very dangerous in a counter attacking side. I guess it depends who are interested. Wouldn't surprise me if a lower prem club were to be interested and put in a big offer. I'd be surprised if we only got 5 for him.

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6 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Re bold. It does matter, because he will have been scouted several times by prospective suitors and they will note if he’s inconsistent.  Perceived ceiling value will be driven down. 

As they say, never buy a player just because he plays well against you. 

I’d argue that most players in the championship are inconsistent. That is why they are not premier league players as that is where the real gulf in class lies with consistency. Every player a scout sees 10 times will have a few bad a few good  mixed in.

Think scouts will see what he can bring when he is at his best. Why? Because COD is a worker so even when his final ball isn’t going you are not down to 10 men as with other attacking players. COD isn’t as hot and cold as some make out. He rarely has 4-5/10 in a match. Not my favourite player but you can see why LJ and Martin O’Neil rave about him. 

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15 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

I believe many managers would love to have COD. He's a fantastic team player, very versatile and works his socks off. And very dangerous in a counter attacking side. I guess it depends who are interested. Wouldn't surprise me if a lower prem club were to be interested and put in a big offer. I'd be surprised if we only got 5 for him.

Agree with this. Callum is arguably one of the hardest working players (pipped by Brownhill IMO). He frustrates me at times but his defensive attributes are immense. I have no doubt he will go in the summer for in the region of 8-10 million

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42 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Still can’t believe nobody actually checked!!!  How many caps did he get?

But he didn't know himself did he? I am sure in his book it wasn't until his career had finished that he found out that his biological mother was adopted so he wasn't related by blood at all..

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2 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

But he didn't know himself did he? I am sure in his book it wasn't until his career had finished that he found out that his biological father wasn't who he had been told it was all his life.

Didn’t know that. Assumed he’d blagged it!!

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Didn’t know that. Assumed he’d blagged it!!

Actually Dave, have corrected that but the premise is still the same. I think personally that the true story means he was eligible for Ireland, just because his mum was adopted, doesn't mean she wasn't subject to the Irish rules.

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

You saved me a lot of typing RD. 

That scruff of the neck comment is bang on imho. 

Top players are the difference...the ones that do something to raise an average team performance. For me COD flits in and out too much. 

Dont get me wrong, he has played well in this good run, and showed (greater) potential than his good run prior to injury last season. He is starting to add more end product, but still got plenty of room to improve. 

@Kevin Brady out of interest are you friendly with COD or just a huge fan?  Is Brady an Irish connection with him? I’ve noticed you singing his praises a lot?

At last Fevs admits COD adds value !!

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7 minutes ago, Shuffle said:

At last Fevs admits COD adds value !!

He's never liked him. Look at his previous posts. Wondered whether O'Dowda was seeing his missus?

Anyhow, as for value, it matters not what any of us think as to his value. When it comes to it, the market will dictate - end of

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1 hour ago, BessexRED said:

Why, what's he said?

Ran an article yesterday saying it’s unlikely to be resolved until the summer, and may be prem bound. I noticed he ran a little negative story re Johnson a few weeks ago around the Semenyo recall, I wonder if the club are hanging him out a bit, of COD has signed a new contract maybe they have misled him a bit

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2 hours ago, RedDave said:

Over the whole season he has been exceptional?  Disagree.  Think he has been exceptional in patches on our excellent run of results.  I don't think he has turned in the performances of a roughly £8-9m player which he would need to be for us to get £5m for him this summer.  

Has he grabbed many games by the scruff of the neck and won it for us?  Not many.  I loved COD more than most as I know he is young but, for me, he has a fair bit to go to be the prices we are talking here.  Still too inconsistent.  

Agree wholeheartedly with this. I would put several players well above COD in terms of their performances this season. If what COD has given us is ‘exceptional’ then we have low sights. 

I think he’s got bags of potential and can be exceptional on his day, but has a long way to go in terms of consistently delivering what he’s capable of. 

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49 minutes ago, Jack Bailey said:

Agree with this. Callum is arguably one of the hardest working players (pipped by Brownhill IMO). He frustrates me at times but his defensive attributes are immense. I have no doubt he will go in the summer for in the region of 8-10 million

£8-10m with one year left means you think he is worth £15-16m with a 3 year contract I assume. Must do. 

Disagree with that. COD worth £3-4m now and £7.5m ish  the day he signs a new deal here. 

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What separates COD from the opposition for me is, he is hard working, he can be wasteful but never hides and even up to the last kick you know he is capable of a great strike, his defensive work is almost exemplary and he is brave and is subject to some really heavy/meaty challenges but still gets up and gets on with it.

That is very unusual for a winger and makes him a valuable asset IMHO.

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54 minutes ago, Shuffle said:

At last Fevs admits COD adds value !!

 

44 minutes ago, Jack Bailey said:

He's never liked him. Look at his previous posts. Wondered whether O'Dowda was seeing his missus?

Anyhow, as for value, it matters not what any of us think as to his value. When it comes to it, the market will dictate - end of

I just don’t think he’s as brilliant as some of you think he is.  I tend to be more grey in my evaluations than black and white extremes.

You only have to look at this forum to see the flip-flop nature of some posters.  Pato has gone from lazy, bottling scapegoat to grafting midfielder overnight just because Palmer didn’t have a great game on Sunday.

Callum has played better of late, but I still think he plays witn him head down too much and / or tries to do too much at 100mph, hence why he sometimes runs into trouble or doesn’t pick the right pass.  I’ve never doubted he has ability, but he still has more to do for me.  Away from home his running with the ball (because he has a bit more space) is a real advantage.

Like most of our players we are seeing lots of good things, partly because the whole team is playing well.

When results aren’t going for us and the team aren’t playing as well I hope it is Callum driving us on and being the catalyst.  I’ve not seen enough of that previously.

How influential was Callum in the first half v Wolves when we weren’t playing as well as a team versus the second half when we dominated?  Ask yourself that.

And....My my wife has moved onto Kasey Palmer - that’s why I’m now a COD fan-boy! 😁

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48 minutes ago, ciderwithtommy said:

Ran an article yesterday saying it’s unlikely to be resolved until the summer, and may be prem bound. I noticed he ran a little negative story re Johnson a few weeks ago around the Semenyo recall, I wonder if the club are hanging him out a bit, of COD has signed a new contract maybe they have misled him a bit

Prem bound? O'Dowda? I really can't see PL clubs being interested in him, he's been decent lately but he's flattered to deceive for us in the most part. I've always said that he has a lot of potential and needs some good coaching to work on his end product, it may just be a case of us not ever seeing the best of him here a bit like Bolasie but I would be very surprised if a PL club were to take a punt on him. Can think of several other wingers in this division I'd be looking at as a lower end PL club than O'Dowda... Wilson (loan), Phillips, Bowen, Watkins, Benhrama.... 

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27 minutes ago, BessexRED said:

Prem bound? O'Dowda? I really can't see PL clubs being interested in him, he's been decent lately but he's flattered to deceive for us in the most part. I've always said that he has a lot of potential and needs some good coaching to work on his end product, it may just be a case of us not ever seeing the best of him here a bit like Bolasie but I would be very surprised if a PL club were to take a punt on him. Can think of several other wingers in this division I'd be looking at as a lower end PL club than O'Dowda... Wilson (loan), Phillips, Bowen, Watkins, Benhrama.... 

Hard working and athletic. I think quite a few sides would be interested him from a prem standpoint. I don’t think he’d be the top target for any of them but teams like Burnely, Brighton and Southampton I think would have Callum on their radar. Don’t have to look further than James McClean to see what athelticism and hard work can get you. 

Even the ones you listed are more wide forwards than grafting wing players. I do rate everyone you said but Callum brings totally different attributes to the table than most of those. He would also be cheaper than some of those like Watkins, Wilson and Bowen. 

I am not rose tinted when it comes to Callum because I haven’t really rated him throughout his time here. That said, he has numerous unteachable qualities that I think make him a prem target like his work rate, athleticism and size. His end product improved as well. I truly believe, despite how people view him, when he leaves city it will be for a bigger club. When I say bigger I mean a lower prem club or recently relegated prem club. My opinion anyway and like I said I haven’t been his biggest fan

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