maxjak Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 West Ham equalised against Fulham this evening with a blatant handball goal, with No VAR the goal stood.........should Hernandez receive any retrospecttive punishmentt for unsporting behavior or is it just the way it goes? If VAR was present the goal would have been scrubbed, and Hernandez booked for deliberate handball.............what's the opinion? I doubt anyone will agree with me, but i believe Hernandez should get a 3 game ban for cheating.....but thats just me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, maxjak said: West Ham equalised against Fulham this evening with a blatant handball goal, with No VAR the goal stood.........should Hernandez receive any retrospecttive punishmentt for unsporting behavior or is it just the way it goes? If VAR was present the goal would have been scrubbed, and Hernandez booked for deliberate handball.............what's the opinion? I doubt anyone will agree with me, but i believe Hernandez should get a 3 game ban for cheating.....but thats just me It was an instinctive hand ball rather than deliberate imo. He didn't really celebrate and rightly so. I suppose he could have owned up to it, but he would have got pelters from his manager. I'm not sure that he'll get retrospective punishment but if Fulham lose he should do in all fairness. Mason is a shite ref but from his position I don't think he could have denied the goal and there probably wouldn't have been any grounds to go to VAR other than protests from Fulham and there weren't too many at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kit Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 I think he tried to head it, but missed rather than deliberately handballing it. His hand was just up there. I think it would be extremely harsh to punish him, he just got lucky rather than deliberately cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 Where was VAR when needed? That handball goal was a good example of why it should be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Robbored said: Where was VAR when needed? That handball goal was a good example of why it should be used. As I understand it, it is only used if the Ref is unsure of a decision ? Mason wouldn't have been unsure of that decision and the Fulham players didn't kick up a fuss... Or can the VAR officials intervene ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 15 minutes ago, Robbored said: Where was VAR when needed? That handball goal was a good example of why it should be used. Why? Not been used for over a century why change the rules now? My only grumble is if VAR has to be used it’s consistent. Personally I hate it and hope it ***** off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, bcfc01 said: As I understand it, it is only used if the Ref is unsure of a decision ? Mason wouldn't have been unsure of that decision and the Fulham players didn't kick up a fuss... Or can the VAR officials intervene ? No, it checks ALL goals, pens and possible red cards, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, RumRed said: Why? not been used for over a century why change the rules now? My only grumble is if VAR has to be used it’s consistent. Personally I hate it and hope it ***** off. The goal was handball - blatantly. The ref didn’t see it because of the angle of his vision. Any Fulham supporter will be quite rightly feel cheated and that’s a horrible feeling for any fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 Where did Fulham get that keeper ? Dreadful. Couple that with the centre backs and I can see why they are deep in the do-do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Robbored said: The goal was handball - blatantly. The ref didn’t see it because of the angle of his vision. Any Fulham supporter will be quite rightly feel cheated and that’s a horrible feeling for any fan. Not sure in this case it is cheating. Choochy face is trying to head it, but his hand happened to get in the way. Still waiting for any player to come clean, go to the ref and say heeey, this shouldn't stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 For all the money Fulham spent why on earth didn’t they buy Kalas!? Much better than what they have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 Not seen it, but my opinion is VAR should be at every game or none at all. At certain FA cup games someone gets sent off due to VAR and gets banned, yet if the game had no VAR he has no ban, and the rest of the fixtures have no VAR. The whole game is a complete farce at the moment, either VAR is used for an "obvious or deliberate" foul or not. All this slow motioning a handball in the box is pathetic, no common sense is being used at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Robbored said: The goal was handball - blatantly. The ref didn’t see it because of the angle of his vision. Any Fulham supporter will be quite rightly feel cheated and that’s a horrible feeling for any fan. That’s bloody football and has been for over god knows how many years,take the rough with the smooth and you move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 9 hours ago, wood_red said: Not seen it, but my opinion is VAR should be at every game or none at all. At certain FA cup games someone gets sent off due to VAR and gets banned, yet if the game had no VAR he has no ban, and the rest of the fixtures have no VAR. The whole game is a complete farce at the moment, either VAR is used for an "obvious or deliberate" foul or not. All this slow motioning a handball in the box is pathetic, no common sense is being used at all. Well based on the video evidence, VAR would have given us a penalty against Wolves on Sunday for Doherrty's handball, which was blatant but missed by Martin Atkinson (who is a darned sight better than Lee Mason). I agree that the frustration is the inconsistency of it being used in some matches but not all, and from what can later be seen by everyone on TV highlights is that it would have given a goal, penalty or red card, so potentially changing the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 9 hours ago, wood_red said: Not seen it, but my opinion is VAR should be at every game or none at all. Quite. I’m not in favour of it as it goes but you can’t just pick and choose matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 All part of the game, warts and all. No one is going to own up to the ref. Those who feel Fulham were cheated cast your mind back to a certain play off game involving Palace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 The standard of referreeing is getting worse. A worse decision was in the cardiff game when Murphy was taken out inside the box one of the most blatant pens i have seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 51 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said: All part of the game, warts and all. No one is going to own up to the ref. Those who feel Fulham were cheated cast your mind back to a certain play off game involving Palace. The "non goal" one was a league match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 11 hours ago, RumRed said: Why? Not been used for over a century why change the rules now? My only grumble is if VAR has to be used it’s consistent. Personally I hate it and hope it ***** off. Not sure 'it's always been like this' is a valid grounds for not making positive change. I have loads of issues with VAR in its current guise but I don't think it should be dismissed on the grounds of 'we've always got stuff wrong' ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 10 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said: That’s bloody football and has been for over god knows how many years,take the rough with the smooth and you move on Back in the 70s and 80s that was the case, as, by and large, there was relatively little diving and simulation, there was a good degree of respect for referees and decisions were accepted and after match punditry was much less "invasive". Since the advent of the premier league that has all changed. Diving, simulation and general skullduggery by players is an everyday part of every game, and because of the pace of the modern game, it makes the referees job much more difficult than it was 20/30 years ago. Secondly, television coverage has changed, almost beyond recognition. They can now replay an incident from multiple angles and in super slo mo, giving the pundits a massive advantage over the poor ref, who has a split second, in real time and at full speed, to make his judgement. In many games, there seems to be more time spent reviewing "controversial" incidents than the game itself. Thirdly, there is so much money involved that a refereeing" mistake" can have big consequences for clubs, so that much more is made of any mistakes that are identified. During the last 30 years players' and managers' attitude towards match officials has changed so there is much less respect for them and their decisions - whether because of the money and pressure in the game or because more mistakes are identified I don't know. Because of all these factors, I think VAR will have to happen and if players and manager ( and fans) don't like it, the the only alternative would be to cut out diving, simulation ie. tryingto con the referee, show more respect to referees and accept their decisions without a posse of players trying to force him to change the decision. As the governing bodies have consistently shown they are unwilling to tackle the latter , then VAR seems the only way forward. By the way, I can't stand VAR and it seems as unreliable as not having it, as evidenced by the Chelsea Man U cup game this week. Replays showed Luiz having a chunk ripped out of his shirt by s defender holding him in the penalty area at an attacking corner - a clear penalty. The commentator said that it would be reviewed by VAR ad wondered what they would make of it, but they made absolutely nothing of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Somerset Red Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 11 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said: That’s bloody football and has been for over god knows how many years,take the rough with the smooth and you move on Exactly. Why people want a perfect game is beyond me. I love the controversy of it, it swings in roundabouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwicolin Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 12 hours ago, Robbored said: Where was VAR when needed? That handball goal was a good example of why it should be used. I don't think VAR was there , as it will be next season that it is used. I may be wrong!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 19 minutes ago, downendcity said: Back in the 70s and 80s that was the case, as, by and large, there was relatively little diving and simulation, there was a good degree of respect for referees and decisions were accepted and after match punditry was much less "invasive". Since the advent of the premier league that has all changed. Diving, simulation and general skullduggery by players is an everyday part of every game, and because of the pace of the modern game, it makes the referees job much more difficult than it was 20/30 years ago. Secondly, television coverage has changed, almost beyond recognition. They can now replay an incident from multiple angles and in super slo mo, giving the pundits a massive advantage over the poor ref, who has a split second, in real time and at full speed, to make his judgement. In many games, there seems to be more time spent reviewing "controversial" incidents than the game itself. Thirdly, there is so much money involved that a refereeing" mistake" can have big consequences for clubs, so that much more is made of any mistakes that are identified. During the last 30 years players' and managers' attitude towards match officials has changed so there is much less respect for them and their decisions - whether because of the money and pressure in the game or because more mistakes are identified I don't know. Because of all these factors, I think VAR will have to happen and if players and manager ( and fans) don't like it, the the only alternative would be to cut out diving, simulation ie. tryingto con the referee, show more respect to referees and accept their decisions without a posse of players trying to force him to change the decision. As the governing bodies have consistently shown they are unwilling to tackle the latter , then VAR seems the only way forward. By the way, I can't stand VAR and it seems as unreliable as not having it, as evidenced by the Chelsea Man U cup game this week. Replays showed Luiz having a chunk ripped out of his shirt by s defender holding him in the penalty area at an attacking corner - a clear penalty. The commentator said that it would be reviewed by VAR ad wondered what they would make of it, but they made absolutely nothing of it! Excellent well made points Downend. One added comment - for those of a certain age many of us will remember the likes of Francis Lee and Rodney Marsh who were infamous for winning ‘dodgy’ penalties......These days they’d be called divers.......It’s always been a factor in the game but these days it’s become more prevalent due to the massive increase in live TV games and (dare I say it) the huge influx of foreign players many of who in their home countries see conning the referee as a perfectly acceptable part of the game and when they get lambasted over here for doing it they soon stop doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 52 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Not sure 'it's always been like this' is a valid grounds for not making positive change. I have loads of issues with VAR in its current guise but I don't think it should be dismissed on the grounds of 'we've always got stuff wrong' ! Goal line technology I approve of as the ball is over the line or it’s not. VAR is just passing the interpretation of an event to someone else. It’s the interpretation that’s still under scrutiny at the end of the match. Don’t like it myself but each to their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, cidered abroad said: The "non goal" one was a league match. So it was, thanks. I'm definitely losing the plot, age takes its toll! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 VAR is a joke. Not consistent and going to wreck a lot of the emotion of celebrating a goal. They should leave it at goal line technology which works well and never had any controversy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W2P Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 I know I'm in the minority here but Football Focus showed a replay angle with the camera to Hernandez's left, and it's far from clear to me that the ball either touches his arm or changes angle after coming off his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortia Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 And now Burnley take the lead against Spurs from a corner that (I’m fairly sure) was meant to be a goal kick. In my opinion, too much is at stake in football to have shite decisions like that altering games unfairly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Alex_BCFC said: VAR is a joke. Not consistent and going to wreck a lot of the emotion of celebrating a goal. They should leave it at goal line technology which works well and never had any controversy. Agree. Far more better things to work on like time wasting, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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