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9 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Where did you hear that Semenyo was recalled for the first team?   

There was wild speculation on here that that was the reason but I don’t recall seeing anything official via an interview or in the media.

So why else would he have been recalled? He was getting regular games and positive reviews in league 2. Cant see any reason in bringing him back if it isn't to be involved in the first team.

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8 minutes ago, KentRed said:

So why else would he have been recalled? He was getting regular games and positive reviews in league 2. Cant see any reason in bringing him back if it isn't to be involved in the first team.

This was pretty much what the wild speculation was about.... but as I said, nothing official from the club.

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4 hours ago, Robbored said:

Of course there are analysts, scouts  and recruitment specialists at City, every Championship club has them and are all fishing from the same pond. Fact is that many of them have better bait than we do.

I posted awhile back that LJ is doing a tremendous  job and all with one hand tied behind his back because of the sustainability strategy from SL and that factor almost certainly played a significant part in why City didn’t sign a striker in January - assuming there were some available. 

So , you read my post and then take absolutely no notice of what I write , a reply that adds absolutely nothing to the debate . 

 

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3 hours ago, Davefevs said:

1st bold - we will indeed have a list, but they gave to be available and willing to come here all at a justifiable fee and wage, plus all the other bits and bobs too.

2nd bold - we could indeed, but by the same token, you’ve got to have clubs after them and willing to pay their fees and wages too...and the player has got to want to go too.  Most of our players who’d command a fee and would free up wages are getting gametime, or are / were injured, so I’m not sure who we could’ve lost.

If we don’t go up, I do agree that LJ needs to go with a trimmer squad (for next season), to accommodate a couple of “better” players to lift the levels.

If we don’t pay the going rate then we’ll never have the quality to go forward. 

If we had targeted a ‘ Championship ‘ experienced striker that LJ spoke about it shouldn’t then have come as a surprise that these guys want top bucks for their talent.

We could have sold one or two players without changing too much , don’t tell me that even our squad players couldn’t have been moved on if we wanted them to . 

We get our youngsters out on loan , why couldn’t we have moved on others ?

There was a rumour that Sunderland wanted Taylor for example.

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6 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

So , you read my post and then take absolutely no notice of what I write , a reply that adds absolutely nothing to the debate . 

 

I took plenty of notice Major and got impression that you were pointing that finger of failure at the club for not bringing in a striker during the notoriously difficult winter window. Sentences that include  “shopping elsewhere”...

I took the time to explain why no striker was brought in.

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1 hour ago, KentRed said:

So why else would he have been recalled? He was getting regular games and positive reviews in league 2. Cant see any reason in bringing him back if it isn't to be involved in the first team.

Have to agree pointless bringing him back.

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2 minutes ago, Super said:

Have to agree pointless bringing him back.

None of us know the actual reason for Semenyo getting recalled so all we can do speculate as to why.

The obvious reason was to add options up top but so far he’s made one bench appearance. 

Maybe he’s going out on loan again but to a higher league?   :dunno:

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4 minutes ago, Super said:

Have to agree pointless bringing him back.

 

4 minutes ago, Super said:

Have to agree pointless bringing him back.

Didn't LJ say they needed him to work on physical fitness for this level and that was one of the reasons of bringing him back.  Wasn't it also said that to be around the squad would help him improve fitness and skill levels.

Personally, I am far more concerned by the older and not loaned out Eisa

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3 minutes ago, Robbored said:

None of us know the actual reason for Semenyo getting recalled so all we can do speculate as to why.

The obvious reason was to add options up top but so far he’s made one bench appearance. 

Maybe he’s going out on loan again but to a higher league?   :dunno:

He can`t now the window`s closed.

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7 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

 

Didn't LJ say they needed him to work on physical fitness for this level and that was one of the reasons of bringing him back.  Wasn't it also said that to be around the squad would help him improve fitness and skill levels.

Personally, I am far more concerned by the older and not loaned out Eisa

That is an odd one for sure. I can only imagine we were set to loan him out (Lincoln was one rumour I heard) but ended up keeping him as cover for the injury Taylor had together with the fact we were unable to sign another striker for whatever reason.

It may be both these lads will have an important part to play before the season is out, we`ll have to wait and see I guess.

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10 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

If we don’t pay the going rate then we’ll never have the quality to go forward. 

I don’t disagree, but I think we may have to unearth that player rather than buy ready made, that is the reality for me.

If we had targeted a ‘ Championship ‘ experienced striker that LJ spoke about it shouldn’t then have come as a surprise that these guys want top bucks for their talent.

We could have sold one or two players without changing too much , don’t tell me that even our squad players couldn’t have been moved on if we wanted them to . 

But for what price?  If we are trying to move on, we aren’t likely to get full value. It’s a bit catch 22.

We get our youngsters out on loan , why couldn’t we have moved on others ?

There was a rumour that Sunderland wanted Taylor for example.

Maybe?  Although he was out injured, so I do think this was a 2 n 2 situation, Sunderland losing Maja, papers / internet looking at a Champ striker who could be tempted.

Who else do you think we could’ve moved on that would’ve generated a portion of what was needed to pay (allegedly) £3.5m to LOAN Assombolonga?

Baker and Taylor are the only two in my mind.  You wonder whether Baker’s future is dependent on Kalas’s future.

 

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11 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

 

Thanks for your reply ;

Sometimes you just have to pay the going rate for what you need . You can’t always rely on having exactly what you are looking for ready to step up from the academy.

Moving on fringe players is more about freeing up wages than bringing in a fee . Perhaps we could have sacrificed one of our first teamers ? 

 

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11 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

Thanks for your reply ;

Sometimes you just have to pay the going rate for what you need . You can’t always rely on having exactly what you are looking for ready to step up from the academy.

Moving on fringe players is more about freeing up wages than bringing in a fee . Perhaps we could have sacrificed one of our first teamers ? 

 

No needs for thanks....😁

As I said don’t disagree, I would rather we have a trimmer squad, maybe Baker alone would free up best part of £20k pw, and somewhere between £1.0-2.5m defending on his keen we were to move him on.

Whatever his name is at Soton...Ralf The Hoff, wants 18 senior squad members and the rest u23s.  Those u23s need to be ready to step-up though...and he might find the brutality of the Prem and fixtures means he might want to revise that 18 to 20/21.

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49 minutes ago, Robbored said:

None of us know the actual reason for Semenyo getting recalled so all we can do speculate as to why.

The obvious reason was to add options up top but so far he’s made one bench appearance. 

Maybe he’s going out on loan again but to a higher league?   :dunno:

He cant go out until next season. For me at that age they need game time which he was getting at Newport.

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The time to have signed a new striker was before the end of the August window. The club knew Djuric was leaving, but didn't recruit an adequate replacement for this level.

As long as Fammy stays fit we should still have enough to grind out the results to secure a play-off berth.

Mind you, yesterday's shortcomings owed as much to poor defending, especially from our full-backs. That needs addressing before Tuesday. 

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39 minutes ago, Curr Avon said:

The time to have signed a new striker was before the end of the August window. The club knew Djuric was leaving, but didn't recruit an adequate replacement for this level.

As long as Fammy stays fit we should still have enough to grind out the results to secure a play-off berth.

Mind you, yesterday's shortcomings owed as much to poor defending, especially from our full-backs. That needs addressing before Tuesday. 

The idea was that Weimann was going to come in and get 10/15 goals to aid the projected 20 scored by Diedhiou and in fairness he started out well . 

The club couldn’t have known that for all his efforts he was going to suffer a goal drought .

Equally , I’m convinced that for all SL’s big talk of improving on last season he didn’t really believe that we’d trouble the top six this season and we are ahead of schedule and ahead of the business plan .

The club couldn’t have known in August what the situation in January would be however they have known for some weeks that a tilt at the top six was very much on and decided not to take the risk .

 

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7 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

The idea was that Weimann was going to come in and get 10/15 goals to aid the projected 20 scored by Diedhiou and in fairness he started out well . 

The club couldn’t have known that for all his efforts he was going to suffer a goal drought .

Equally , I’m convinced that for all SL’s big talk of improving on last season he didn’t really believe that we’d trouble the top six this season and we are ahead of schedule and ahead of the business plan .

The club couldn’t have known in August what the situation in January would be however they have known for some weeks that a tilt at the top six was very much on and decided not to take the risk .

 

Fair points Major, but Weimann doesn't possess the physical strength to be compared a like for like with Diedhiou, or Djuric. 

Weimann is at best a number 10, who is currently favoured in right midfield by Johnson.

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I guess overall we are light of goals all over the pitch, not just strikers.  The pic below doesn’t include Pato or COD’s goals yesterday.

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Three goal from our full-backs....Pisano two, plus Kelly v West Brom, although Hunt 4 assists.  

Only one goal from our centre-backs....Webster v Rotherham, Dasilva one assist.  I don’t think anyone was expecting 6-7 like Flint (19 league goals in 3 seasons - 8 was his best), but I think the return is disappointing.

Our strikers have 18 between them, which is probably not quite good enough.  If they were sat there with 2 more each, Fam 11, Weimann 8, Taylor 5, it would look at lot better.  We don’t get many pens which can typically boost a striker’s return.

It is what it is though.  Would take a 1-0 v Brum on Tuesday from an og from Harlee Dean.

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45 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

 

Equally , I’m convinced that for all SL’s big talk of improving on last season he didn’t really believe that we’d trouble the top six this season and we are ahead of schedule and ahead of the business plan .

 

 

I nearly added a similar thought to the first post, what I can’t decide is where are we at in the business plan and when it says we should be genuine promotion contenders, hopefully automatic.  Also, if the academy and the wheeling and dealing in bargain basement (for top level championship) players doesn’t unearth the additions we need to get to that position, will the purse strings be loosened at some point, although to do so, I assume we’ll need a genuine injection of money that falls within the financial rules.

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5 hours ago, Redsi2 said:

We were told the lad coming back from Newport  was for the first team. That would have kept to the plan of promoting youth. I would be happy if we need a goal to chuck him on but he not even making the bench. Why didn't we leave him to develop at Newport. He must be disgruntled. 

I couldn't give a toss if he is disgruntled or not.

He's been brought back to assimilate into the way the team plays - not the way Newport play in the bottom division.

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On 23/02/2019 at 21:22, Maesknoll Red said:

I’ll start off by readily admitting I don’t see as many games as I used to, so my perception may well be different than someone who has seen all, or at least most of the games.

Earlier in the season, we looked disjointed, some of the performances could have been by 11 blokes plucked from 11 different clubs and no time to gel or learn each other’s play and with no management/coaching input.

The performances have turned round, the run since November has been a credit to the Manager, coaches and players, that said, every game I have seen, we seem to have a a team that is missing a touch of quality, initiative and guile in the final third.  Maybe that’s even a bit harsh, the final ball and the finishing not being of consistent quality might be more accurate.

20 goal a season strikers are undoubtedly expensive and in demand, but I feel that with a genuine goal scorer and a back up who played off them (maybe an existing player could do just that) we’d be looking a lot more comfortable and confident.

Even when you win games week on week, it does no harm to look with a critical eye at how that was achieved and on the back of today’s game I wonder what others thoughts are on what would change us from a decent, likely playoff contending team, to one pushing for autos?

A striker who scores goals and changes games.

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On 23/02/2019 at 21:53, Bobby Bollax said:

We’ve had 20 goal  goalscorers before. Kodjia, Tammy, Bobby and still didn’t get promoted.  This team scores goals from all parts. This is our best defence for as long as I can remember. 

And all the clubs above us have more than 1 quality striker who scores goals we have none.

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18 hours ago, Robbored said:

It wasn’t as if LJ and MA didn’t look to sign a decent striker in the winter window. They did but there were non available at the right price as January is never the best time to sign any player because the asking price is always higher.

Add to that the strategy that LJ is adhering to.....City don’t pay top Championship wages which is another stumbling block.

 

And that's where you have it.

The 'money being asked was too rich for our pocket...and as we know if we're ever to get promoted sustainability is the name of our game..

The other way to look is that another great opportunity is about to go to the wall as our awesome c/half pairing,the backbone of our form will be 50% lighter come may 5th...'so,back to the drawing board we shall have to go...

Chicken? Egg? Hamstrung?

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3 hours ago, Robert the bruce said:

And that's where you have it.

The 'money being asked was too rich for our pocket...and as we know if we're ever to get promoted sustainability is the name of our game..

The other way to look is that another great opportunity is about to go to the wall as our awesome c/half pairing,the backbone of our form will be 50% lighter come may 5th...'so,back to the drawing board we shall have to go...

 Chicken? Egg? Hamstrung?

Define sustainability- we the typical Championship clubs can lose £13m per season x 3, rolling 3 year period- that's £39m losses. Plus FFP deductions and allowances.

Sustainability and trying to play at the top end of this division is in general terms a misnomer.

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12 hours ago, bcfc01 said:

I couldn't give a toss if he is disgruntled or not.

He's been brought back to assimilate into the way the team plays - not the way Newport play in the bottom division.

Semenyo was brought back to the squad for no other reason than to keep the wolves from the door. Bids come in during January and the Club is in a very weak position to decline those offers if the lad is playing at Newport. There was no way that he was going to get thrown into the match day 18. Whether you give a toss or not, the reality is that this very talented baller has now been prevented from playing week in and week out. You can bet he would much rather be playing competitive football than to 'assimilate into the way the team (City) plays' - by the way, what on earth do you mean by that?

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On 23/02/2019 at 22:27, Redsi2 said:

Not getting a top striker in the January transfer window will cost us again in my opinion. Not saying any were available but that top striker could make the difference. We rely on too many goals from midfield. 

Annoying that Hogan was available. Honestly I think there was not much we could do in the situation. We have a good team other than that. Fammy isn't bad and I actually think hes a really good team player but we need to strengthen if/when we get prem football. Someone like Tammy or Domonic Calvert Lewin 

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