Jump to content

Welcome to One Team in Bristol - Bristol City Forums

Welcome to One Team in Bristol - Bristol City Forums, like most online communities you must register to view or post in our community, but don't worry this is a simple free process that requires minimal information for you to signup. Be a part of One Team in Bristol - Bristol City Forums by signing in or creating an account.

  • Start new topics and reply to others
  • Full access to all forums (not all viewable as guest)
  • Subscribe to topics and forums to get email updates
  • Get your own profile page and make new friends
  • Send personal messages to other members.
  • Support OTIB with a premium membership

Davefevs

Ref League Table - Sponsored by Gallup

Recommended Posts

Moving up off the bottom is Gavin Ward, replacing him in bottom spot is Geoff Eltringham.

He wasn’t responsible for us losing tonight, but his decision making was awful....he got 60-70% wrong!

A clear lack of understanding the rules / laws.  Linesman on Lansdown side was shite too.

Its a bit sad the 5th best league in the world has such poor officials.

  • Like 5

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Moving up off the bottom is Gavin Ward, replacing him in bottom spot is Geoff Eltringham.

He wasn’t responsible for us losing tonight, but his decision making was awful....he got 60-70% wrong!

A clear lack of understanding the rules / laws.  Linesman on Lansdown side was shite too.

Its a bit sad the 5th best league in the world has such poor officials.

  • Like 7
  • Thanks 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So was the cock on the other side. No where near the goal line when Adams smashed it against the bar.

The 3 of them were inept.

So much so that me and the boy’s minds are made up.......

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said:

Always intrigued me, that saying. So assuming our Prem is one,  which of Spain, Germany, Italy, France's top division is the Championship better than? 

French probably.

 

Bigger disparity in quality between its top and bottom sides than any of the others IMO.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said:

Always intrigued me, that saying. So assuming our Prem is one,  which of Spain, Germany, Italy, France's top division is the Championship better than? 

None imo. Championship can sit in a proud sixth. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said:

Always intrigued me, that saying. So assuming our Prem is one,  which of Spain, Germany, Italy, France's top division is the Championship better than? 

6th best then 😁

1 minute ago, BCFCGav said:

None imo. Championship can sit in a proud sixth. 

Beat me to it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Moving up off the bottom is Gavin Ward, replacing him in bottom spot is Geoff Eltringham.

He wasn’t responsible for us losing tonight, but his decision making was awful....he got 60-70% wrong!

A clear lack of understanding the rules / laws.  Linesman on Lansdown side was shite too.

Its a bit sad the 5th best league in the world has such poor officials.

 

They are full time officials as well, they really should be fitter and up with play as well as a little more street smart - how is it Rugby refs with so many more rules, and things to look for seem to be so much better.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Shit ref tonight, how the hell do they get these jobs? He looked like a bald David Brent and was about as competent in his job. 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Fiale said:

 

They are full time officials as well, they really should be fitter and up with play as well as a little more street smart - how is it Rugby refs with so many more rules, and things to look for seem to be so much better.

They can be fat as a hat for all I care, they get so many decisions wrong.  We as a team are a sucker for allowing a ref like that get to us.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
21 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Linesman on Lansdown side was shite too

 

17 minutes ago, BigAlToby&Liam said:

So was the cock on the other side. No where near the goal line when Adams smashed it against the bar.

To be honest Big Al etc,  he shouldn't have been.....as he was on the other end as it were

 

Edited by StGeorge

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So which of you gents is going to do a referee course and work your way up to become a championship referee to show them hows its done.

over a season things work themselves out, some go for you and some dont.

we have players making mistakes, and questionable signings and selections, thats what we can control.

  • Aubergine 1
  • Unicorn 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, simon uk said:

over a season things work themselves out, some go for you and some dont.

They do indeed, but wouldn't life be boring if we just accepted everything as such. Over seasons things work themselves out, over decades, over centurys, millenia?

 

Our time is coming for sure 😀😀😀

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Was just so annoying the difference between the decisions we got and they did. They were allowed to grapple, push and pull our players with no consequence, we try to give some back and he gives fouls and yellow cards straight away. Think it was Harlee Dean who was allowed to just plough into the back of Diedhiou without giving away a foul in the first half. The 'foul' for the free kick for their second was pretty pathetic too.

  • Like 6
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 minutes ago, simon uk said:

So which of you gents is going to do a referee course and work your way up to become a championship referee to show them hows its done.

over a season things work themselves out, some go for you and some dont.

we have players making mistakes, and questionable signings and selections, thats what we can control.

That’s not the point though is it.  They are professionals doing an I adequate job.

If I could run to the fitness levels of GW or GE, and been in the same positions as them, I would’ve got more right decisions than both them.  They base decisions on what they think will happen, not what actually happens....because they don’t “get the game’.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Disappointed not to hear more grief from the crowd to be honest. He got a bit of shit from us (you don’t know what you’re doing) but I thought he at least deserved a good few renditions of “ You’re not fit to referee” “ whose the (chap of questionable parentage) in the black” etc. 

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
44 minutes ago, Fiale said:

 

They are full time officials as well, they really should be fitter and up with play as well as a little more street smart - how is it Rugby refs with so many more rules, and things to look for seem to be so much better.

You are joking about rugby refs. Shockingly inconsistent. That is except for Wayne Barnes who is consistently shocking.

Referee tonight was appalling. Is it now within the laws of football for forwards to jump and bump defenders every time there is a header to be made. The forwards don't aim to win the header, just to get it misdirected to the other team.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It’s the little things that get me; insisting upon DaSilva taking a throw in from two yards back yet allowing Birmingham to steal 5+ yards at so many others. I hate inconsistency in referees. 

  • Like 9

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Moving up off the bottom is Gavin Ward, replacing him in bottom spot is Geoff Eltringham.

He wasn’t responsible for us losing tonight, but his decision making was awful....he got 60-70% wrong!

A clear lack of understanding the rules / laws.  Linesman on Lansdown side was shite too.

Its a bit sad the 5th best league in the world has such poor officials.

The ref was awful, Dave. It’s hard to remember a worse performance in recent memory. Then Keith Stroud came to mind. He is surely nailed to the bottom of any list of referees?

Anyway, thanks for making me think of him. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
34 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

It’s the little things that get me; insisting upon DaSilva taking a throw in from two yards back yet allowing Birmingham to steal 5+ yards at so many others. I hate inconsistency in referees. 

Noticed how many times they were supposed to have a throw right in the corner and took it nearer the edge of the box

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ref was useless and Fam got pushed over twice in the box second half but it's hard to agree that the ref was really at fault - we simply didn't compete, offered no midfield, couldn't put a foot on the ball and control it until Paterson came on, even Pack didn't really start passing until Webster pushed up into midfield and created space. Sorry to say but our inability to put a foot on the ball and do anything had nothing to do with the referee.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, hodge said:

Was just so annoying the difference between the decisions we got and they did. They were allowed to grapple, push and pull our players with no consequence, we try to give some back and he gives fouls and yellow cards straight away. Think it was Harlee Dean who was allowed to just plough into the back of Diedhiou without giving away a foul in the first half. The 'foul' for the free kick for their second was pretty pathetic too.

I agree. At least he was consistent, giving every 50/50 decision in their favour and anytime they went to ground the FK was instantly theirs. The number of stop starts didn’t let the game flow and credit to Brom they did a number on us but when you got to play the Ref aswell it ruins football.

I can take losing, but losing fairly, and last night it was so unbalenced largely down to inept officials it wasn’t just.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The free kick they ultimately scored their winning goal from, whilst absolutely a free kick in isolation, wasn't when compared to what he had spent the whole match letting their CBs do to Fam or their front two do to our CBs.

So many times we would go for a header and they would just jump at our man without even having eyes on the ball & every time Fam jumped for something he got two hands in his back. We weren't good enough but we weren't allowed to be in my opinion.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, simon uk said:

So which of you gents is going to do a referee course and work your way up to become a championship referee to show them hows its done.

over a season things work themselves out, some go for you and some dont.

we have players making mistakes, and questionable signings and selections, thats what we can control.

I did. Many years ago at the Charlton Arms at the top of Lodge Causeway.

Ok so didn’t get to the dizzy heights of that **** last night but I got to the Pyramid. 

Thing is that’s not the point. You don’t need to “be one of them” to realise they’re inept.

I do agree with you though. Worry about what we can control - Marlon was to blame for the first one - the **** in black had nothing to do with it.....

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, hodge said:

Noticed how many times they were supposed to have a throw right in the corner and took it nearer the edge of the box

On one occasion in the second half, their #3 Pedersen, who had wasted so much time throughout and been allowed to get away with it, took a throw in which had been conceded five or so yards into their half of the field. He took it from a couple of yards inside our half, directing it to Adams (who was excellent throughout) who turned with the ball, beat his man and fired in a snapshot which so nearly resulted in a third goal for Birmingham. Had Pedersen been forced to take the throw from the correct position, that chance would never have occurred. Refs failing to enforce the rules can change games. Last night the ref was incompetent on so many levels.

God, I've slept on it and I'm still annoyed!

He wasn't to blame for the result. He did compound a bad night though!

Edited by Rudolf Hucker
  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, hodge said:

Was just so annoying the difference between the decisions we got and they did. They were allowed to grapple, push and pull our players with no consequence, we try to give some back and he gives fouls and yellow cards straight away. Think it was Harlee Dean who was allowed to just plough into the back of Diedhiou without giving away a foul in the first half. The 'foul' for the free kick for their second was pretty pathetic too.

A similar team to Preston in that respect who managed to cajole the referee into giving them soft free kicks. The same referee as last night. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Agree with all these comments, we didn’t play well enough but the ref really did make it difficult for us. He was so frustrating any little nudge from us resulting in a Brum free kick, any time they did the same to us we’d get nothing. I noticed him pulling us up on throw in positions but not them too.

I was also annoyed by the amount of apathy shown by the crowd, we should’ve all been really getting on his case but it was such a small percentage. We seen against QPR that if the whole crowd gets on the refs case it can really make a difference and could win us a few extra points a season, everyone seemed to be moaning amongst themselves about him but not letting him know how bad he was. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

He wasn't to blame for our lethargy, poor touch, wrong decisions etc. But if he'd given a pen every time Fammy was held around the middle in the box we'd have had another couple of goals. And LJ clearly felt they blocked Pisano' run for their second goal; I wasn't watching that one, but it was certainly a common feature of their game that to deliberately block players from making runs, and the ref let it go every time. One of the worst was early on when the ball Fammy and their defender were both on the half way line, ball goes over them both, their player clearly intent on simply stopping Fammy from turning and running for the ball, and the ref somehow saw backing in. Hopeless. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, Olé said:

Ref was useless and Fam got pushed over twice in the box second half but it's hard to agree that the ref was really at fault - we simply didn't compete, offered no midfield, couldn't put a foot on the ball and control it until Paterson came on, even Pack didn't really start passing until Webster pushed up into midfield and created space. Sorry to say but our inability to put a foot on the ball and do anything had nothing to do with the referee.

Agree with this,, and let’s remember that it was only in the qpr game that we got a penalty in the last minute which left qpr and mclaren who is normally fairly easy going, going absolutely bananas, and that decision certainly wasnt clear cut!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
21 minutes ago, bobbyhutchscurlymullet said:

A similar team to Preston in that respect who managed to cajole the referee into giving them soft free kicks. The same referee as last night. 

Was indeed. And a very similar game, least all our players stayed on the pitch last night though. At least we haven’t got him on Saturday and Cunningham who caused Flint’s to be sent off has moved on too. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
25 minutes ago, simon uk said:

Agree with this,, and let’s remember that it was only in the qpr game that we got a penalty in the last minute which left qpr and mclaren who is normally fairly easy going, going absolutely bananas, and that decision certainly wasnt clear cut!

Yes the same game a perfectly good goal was disallowed

Could not see anything for the free kicks he gave them at the end we were putting pressure and had corners, We were not at our best last night, but the ref was Birmingham's man of the match

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Ohbasso said:

I was also annoyed by the amount of apathy shown by the crowd, we should’ve all been really getting on his case but it was such a small percentage

Not specifically about a reaction to the ref, but I also thought the crowd in all respects was flatter than ever, when we probably needed them most.

I'm well used to my end of the Dolman finding it hard to get going now S82 are at the other end, but even by recent standards it was painfully quiet.

Perhaps poetic justice after marvelling at how silent Norwich fans were on Saturday, but we really didn't sound like we wanted it enough last night.

I know the argument is does team give the crowd a spark or vice versa, but this was a big game and we were neither intimidating or vocal about it. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 hours ago, Olé said:

Ref was useless and Fam got pushed over twice in the box second half but it's hard to agree that the ref was really at fault - we simply didn't compete, offered no midfield, couldn't put a foot on the ball and control it until Paterson came on, even Pack didn't really start passing until Webster pushed up into midfield and created space. Sorry to say but our inability to put a foot on the ball and do anything had nothing to do with the referee.

I love the time when the ball came to Fam on the halfway line. He and the defender were tussling for the ball when the guy - it might've been Morrison - pushed Fam to the ground.

Now either that might've been a fair challenge or it was a foul, but the one thing it wasn't was what the ref gave: a foul BY Fammy.  :facepalm:

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I thought he actually tried to let the game flow and gave the benefit of the doubt to the players and let lots of things go for both sides. I thought his handling of the  Diedhou Dean situation was excellent as that definitely had the potential to boil over. Matty Taylor should have definitely got a yellow for a late studs up challenge and he let it go. 

 Some supporters need to get realistic It can't be easy to control a game like last nights as both teams were committed to win. I would take last nights Ref over Gavin Ward, Keith Stroud and James Linington every day of the week

 

Edited by Barry Sheene
  • Hmmm 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 minutes ago, Barry Sheene said:

I thought he actually tried to let the game flow and gave the benefit of the doubt to the players and let lots of things go for both sides. I thought his handling of the  Diedhou Dean situation was excellent as that definitely had the potential to boil over. Matty Taylor should have definitely got a yellow for a late studs up challenge and he let it go. 

 Some supporters need to get realistic It can't be easy to control a game like last nights as both teams were committed to win. I would take last nights Ref over Gavin Ward, Keith Stroud and James Linington every day of the week

 

Really? Their CB's were allowed to do whatever they wanted to Fam, yet when he tried giving some back the ref always gave a foul

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, hodge said:

Really? Their CB's were allowed to do whatever they wanted to Fam, yet when he tried giving some back the ref always gave a foul

Correct. And whenever lucas jut (not gonna even bother trying to spell it) just ran into our defenders with no intention of playing the ball, that was obviously a fair way of challenging. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, hodge said:

Really? Their CB's were allowed to do whatever they wanted to Fam, yet when he tried giving some back the ref always gave a foul

Not what i seen i thought they both stood their ground and the previous between them made it quite volatile. However in most matches i watch the Ref always seems to favour the defender over the striker so i take that point you have made.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Olé said:

Not specifically about a reaction to the ref, but I also thought the crowd in all respects was flatter than ever, when we probably needed them most.

I'm well used to my end of the Dolman finding it hard to get going now S82 are at the other end, but even by recent standards it was painfully quiet.

Perhaps poetic justice after marvelling at how silent Norwich fans were on Saturday, but we really didn't sound like we wanted it enough last night.

I know the argument is does team give the crowd a spark or vice versa, but this was a big game and we were neither intimidating or vocal about it. 

Understand different strokes for different folks and all that, but whenever I tried to get behind the team vocally or even scream at the ref for his inability, I got the filthiest looks from the guy in front of me. Couldn't be arsed after that. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
41 minutes ago, Barry Sheene said:

I would take last nights Ref over Gavin Ward, Keith Stroud and James Linington every day of the week

I thought he was the worst ref i've seen in a very long time, and the game could have got out of control very easily. He was appalling.

At one point, Kalas very nearly had his shirt pulled off over his head by their defender, ref totally ignored it, right on the edge of their box.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

I thought he was the worst ref i've seen in a very long time, and the game could have got out of control very easily. He was appalling.

At one point, Kalas very nearly had his shirt pulled off over his head by their defender, ref totally ignored it, right on the edge of their box.

I agree, worst ref I’ve seen for a long time , just horrendous! 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
40 minutes ago, Barry Sheene said:

I thought he actually tried to let the game flow and gave the benefit of the doubt to the players and let lots of things go for both sides. I thought his handling of the  Diedhou Dean situation was excellent as that definitely had the potential to boil over. Matty Taylor should have definitely got a yellow for a late studs up challenge and he let it go. 

 Some supporters need to get realistic It can't be easy to control a game like last nights as both teams were committed to win. I would take last nights Ref over Gavin Ward, Keith Stroud and James Linington every day of the week

 

Hmmm. Would I rather my hand was savaged by a Rottweiler, ground in a mincer or thrust into a waste disposal?

You and I (and a lot of other posters, it would seem) have widely differing opinions regarding last night's referee. Let the game flow? I can recall, in the second half, Birmingham picking up the ball from an abortive City set-piece and about to break in numbers when the ref called them back for a foul he'd awarded them on the edge of their area; when in the last 20 minutes, Pack was ankle-tapped from behind (again) but the ball broke to Brownhill who was about to run forward to start an attack with Birmingham players out of position, but the ref called City back to award us the foul; on neither occasion did a booking ensue so there was no reason for the flow of the game to be interrupted.

I'm afraid that when a £100m prize is beckoning, I want and expect officials of a far higher and consistent standard than I witnessed last night. I reiterate the point I made in an earlier post, the ref wasn't to blame for City losing - I want and have come to expect their performance to be of a higher standard too - but the ref added to the misery for the home fans last night with a thoroughly abject performance - in my opinion.

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There was one decision in the first half that completely baffled me when Diedhiou has turned to chase a call and Dean, who wasn’t even looking at the ball, has grabbed him and stopped him moving... When he blew his whistle I thought we had finally been given something only for it to go the other way!? Completely inexplainable decision, the ref then had a word with Dean and spent the next 30 seconds following Fammy about to talk to him...

Thought the free kick for the second goal was soft given some of the decisions that weren’t given but don’t think the ref was at fault for the result, he just didn’t help the game!

As a side note I think it highlights how naive we are, don’t think it’s coincidence Birmingham won a lot of decisions and we didn’t!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I was trying to work out if the ref was a Birmingham or Derby fan, the number of times he was in the way of a pass, I was waiting for an accidental diving header in to the top corner of our net from him

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, Barry Sheene said:

I thought he actually tried to let the game flow and gave the benefit of the doubt to the players and let lots of things go for both sides. I thought his handling of the  Diedhou Dean situation was excellent as that definitely had the potential to boil over. Matty Taylor should have definitely got a yellow for a late studs up challenge and he let it go. 

 Some supporters need to get realistic It can't be easy to control a game like last nights as both teams were committed to win. I would take last nights Ref over Gavin Ward, Keith Stroud and James Linington every day of the week

 

It’s nothing to do with controlling a game, it is all about just plain making bad decisions, and what appears to be clear bias in those decisions, i.e. a disproportionate number of bad decision for one team and not the other.

It shows a clear lack of understanding what a foul is and what isn’t.  You really have to question how the likes of Ward, Linnington and Eltringham have made it up the refereeing ladder.  I have seen Stroud ref us well once (v Leeds) and in non-City games on tv, so he isn’t in the same inept grouping for me....he suffers from Napoleon Complex....and that doesn’t endear him to people.

Of course it’s not an easy game to ref because of the speed.

If you take Baker’s hong-kong-phooey v QPR you could forgive any ref not making the right decision (I think he did personally) because it was at full speed and split second contact.  I saw lots of simple mistakes last night.

It doesn’t excuse our performance, but it doesn’t excuse what is quite shockingly poor officiating either.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The problem is there's not enough refs in the country. I'm quite confident that the group that referee the championship are not as good as those who ref the PL, and better than those who ref in L1.

If we want better refs, we need more of them from top to bottom. The lack of refs mean that the wrong ones get promoted through the ranks far too quickly.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...