McNasty Filth Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 Need to change the pen law for handball, especially with var coming in now. I'm sorry but if you don't allow a defender any natural movement at all, then something is very wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Taz said: Like them or not, that's one hell of a comeback, and one hell of a transformation since OGS was bought in. Jose was sucking the life out of that club, and they just became a boring team to watch, more so than LVG's side. One thing you could always say about Man Utd was that they were very rarely boring. Great penalty from Rashford, to keep that calm under that pressure, is something else. It was pretty much already decided anyway, but that result tonight has just confirmed that OGS will be there for a little while yet. He will be there as long as the player get their own way As soon as he upsets one or two the tools will be downed again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stortz Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 I absolutley hate the way VAR is being used in marginal decisions. Not only is it destroying the experience for fans in the stadium by providing no information about what's going on, but it's already entirely ignoring its remit for correcting 'clear and obvious' mistakes. Killing the passion in the ground for the TV audience imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, North London Red said: Kimpembe was looking the other way and there was probably less than a second between the shot being taken and the ball hitting his hand, so I honestly don’t see how that can be deemed as a deliberate handball (and the law is quite clear: it has to be deemed as deliberate in order for there to be an offence). Are 95% of handballs deliberate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 That wasn't deliberate handball. And the fact the ref had to spend about 2 minutes watching it suggests he wasn't sure and therefore he shouldn't have given it. But Rashford did brilliantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 Crass defending, turned his back on the ball, left his arm 'hanging' to make himself bigger. Ball struck arm and was diverted way off it's course (looked like it was going over the bar). Has to be a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 17 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: I second all of your post, especially the first sentence. For a club with so many injuries, that is a fantastic result for them. Got to give any team with a couple out injured etc a bit of belief and hope, it is possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dullmoan Tone Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 No idea why they never play Fred, thought he was outstanding - perhaps we can loan him next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 He’s looking straight at the ball and turns his back - tough shit, don’t be a pussy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC11 Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 Never a pen in a million years, arm wasn’t outstretched and was looking in totally the opposite direction, and to top it off the Ref gives it after reviewing VAR Overall though I thought Man Utd deserved to win as PSG were atrocious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC11 Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Crass defending, turned his back on the ball, left his arm 'hanging' to make himself bigger. Ball struck arm and was diverted way off it's course (looked like it was going over the bar). Has to be a penalty. So not deliberate then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North London Red Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Rob k said: Are 95% of handballs deliberate? It’s a fair question! And the answer is ‘probably not’. Far too many penalties are given for handball in my view. Intent can also be a very difficult thing to gauge, unless a defending outfield player clearly makes a save on the goal line - eg Suarez v Ghana in the 2010 World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, BCFC11 said: Never a pen in a million years, arm wasn’t outstretched and was looking in totally the opposite direction, and to top it off the Ref gives it after reviewing VAR Overall though I thought Man Utd deserved to win as PSG were atrocious. Only he wasn’t looking in the wrong direction to begin with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 Ref simply had to give it for the drama and the tv rights negotiation. He knew he wouldn’t be praised for not giving it yet excused for giving as UEFA execs would have seen Buffon the hero, or Man Utd through. ££££ Cynical hat on of course. For me, never in a million is that a pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfctim Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 26 minutes ago, jaydee=inspiration said: Need to change the pen law for handball, especially with var coming in now. I'm sorry but if you don't allow a defender any natural movement at all, then something is very wrong For me, if it hits your arm it should be a foul, regardless of intent - for clarity's sake. But.. it should only be a penalty if clearly deliberate or obviously prevents a goal. Otherwise - indirect free kick. In examples like tonight the punishment is totally disproportionate to the crime. How does the defender avoid that exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 29 minutes ago, Rob k said: I thought it was a pen - jumped up and turned his back, arm was out so it was a pen I agree it was a penalty. Just. Would i have given it in the 92nd minute of a televised Champions League match in front of the home crowd? No effing way! 2 minutes ago, bcfctim said: For me, if it hits your arm it should be a foul, regardless of intent - for clarity's sake. But.. it should only be a penalty if clearly deliberate or prevents a goal. Otherwise - indirect free kick. In examples like tonight the punishment is totally disproportionate to the crime It did prevent a goal didn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 14 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said: That wasn't deliberate handball. And the fact the ref had to spend about 2 minutes watching it suggests he wasn't sure and therefore he shouldn't have given it. But Rashford did brilliantly. Agree 100% The reason it took 2mins ? Ref had to wait to hear what Uefa wanted him to do!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfctim Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said: It did prevent a goal didn't it? Ball was going over anyway, it looked to me. But I'm talking Suarez at the World Cup like blatant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC11 Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Rob k said: Only he wasn’t looking in the wrong direction to begin with If your going to deliberately handle the ball I’m pretty sure you’d have to watch where the ball is going to make sure you do block it? FIFA say it has to be a deliberate handball for a penalty to be given, wasn’t deliberate from what I saw, and as for VAR that’s supposed to be for clear and obvious errors, so for the Ref to take as long as he did showed that it was clear and obvious at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 His arm was out. Penalty Funny how a lot of pundits and fans say no penalty and THREE out of three qualified referees say penalty. Pretty sure if all three say pen then it’s a pen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfctim Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, RedDave said: His arm was out. Penalty Funny how a lot of pundits and fans say no penalty and THREE out of three qualified referees say penalty. Pretty sure if all three say pen then it’s a pen If the law says that's a penalty then the law needs changing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 32 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said: I deliberately didn’t comment on anything other than the penalty taker, he had nothing to do with the decision, but still showed nerve well beyond his years. Taking it on, just what has OGS done to that team, a Manager with limited experience and a failed venture in the Prem, has completely turned the fortunes of Man U around. And that, after taking over a multi trophy winner, who failed miserably. No matter what your opinion of Man U, it’s an amazing story. Where United went wrong after SAF left was they appointed people who didn't understand the club. Imo they should have stuck with Giggs. 18 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Crass defending, turned his back on the ball, left his arm 'hanging' to make himself bigger. Ball struck arm and was diverted way off it's course (looked like it was going over the bar). Has to be a penalty. This. He purposely made himself bigger hence why it's a deliberate hand ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC11 Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said: The reason it took 2mins ? Ref had to wait to hear what Uefa wanted him to do!!!! You Sir are 100% spot on with that assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 23 minutes ago, Rob k said: He’s looking straight at the ball and turns his back - tough shit, don’t be a pussy! 5 minutes ago, bcfctim said: If the law says that's a penalty then the law needs changing From next season, Another change to the laws of the game means that if the player's arms extend beyond a "natural silhouette", handball will be given, even if it is perceived as accidental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, bcfctim said: If the law says that's a penalty then the law needs changing Maybe but it’s still a penalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, RedDave said: His arm was out. Penalty Funny how a lot of pundits and fans say no penalty and THREE out of three qualified referees say penalty. Pretty sure if all three say pen then it’s a pen Birds of a feather. Takes a lot of courage to call out a peer re that decision on that stage with the scrutiny that’s coming. A bit of sympathy for occasion I would suggest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 49 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said: No Mickey Mouse club with Money..... How does that make them different to other mega rich clubs?! Why ‘Mickey Mouse’?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 39 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said: I deliberately didn’t comment on anything other than the penalty taker, he had nothing to do with the decision, but still showed nerve well beyond his years. Taking it on, just what has OGS done to that team, a Manager with limited experience and a failed venture in the Prem, has completely turned the fortunes of Man U around. And that, after taking over a multi trophy winner, who failed miserably. No matter what your opinion of Man U, it’s an amazing story. Sorry, I just don’t get why people are surprised, they have spent an absolute fortune on top class players, they just didn’t want to play for the previous manager. Now that these players are “actually bothering to try”, the class that they always had is winning games. But let’s not kid ourselves that they are that special as a team, the Premier league has about 6 decent sides and 14 who just aim to stay up, Man Utd because of the money they spend will always be in the top 6..... when the players actually try! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 48 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: Or, the majority of the Premier league! Football at the top level is becoming farcical, tv deciding the outcome of matches, won’t be long before we all get to vote on handballs with our remote controls!!! You may be on to something there. It could all be decided by Putin's hackers in Moscow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 Surprised by the reaction of the penalty decision on here and social media. Looked pretty clear to me. Turns his back on the ball and leaves his arm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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