Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Nibor said: That was hilarious. Well done Rashford. And well done Neymar too, all that karma from diving just rolled around with that abysmal pen decision. Neymar looked like a Michael Jackson tribute tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfctim Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Up The City! said: From next season, Another change to the laws of the game means that if the player's arms extend beyond a "natural silhouette", handball will be given, even if it is perceived as accidental. That sounds fair enough in the sense of making things more black and white, but I feel like awarding a penalty, an almost certain goal, for cases like tonight seems vastly disproportionate. A speculative shot not really threatening the goal, and I thought Ferdinand summed it up well when he said, when you're jumping like that, it would be unnatural for your arm to be in any other position. Completely unintentional. Just doesn't feel like a penalty is a fair reflection of the foul. Hilarious though, nonetheless. Love seeing PSG bottle it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 Forget the penalty, to go to PSG and come back from 2-0 down from the first leg at home and win 3-1 with a midfield trio of Fred, McTominay and Pereira is nothing short of sensational! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 25 minutes ago, Up The City! said: Where United went wrong after SAF left was they appointed people who didn't understand the club. Imo they should have stuck with Giggs. This. He purposely made himself bigger hence why it's a deliberate hand ball. He purposely jumped in the air to try and block the shot, the same as thousands of footballers do in every game every week. The fact he has arms, means his arms have to be somewhere!, this does not mean he is deliberately handling the ball. The fact that the shot was going about 10 yards over the bar makes it even more farcical, it opens up the scenario where the clever players will no doubt start aiming for detenders arms instead of the goal. Anyone who has played the game knows that tonight’s penalty was a complete farce, technology is killing the game I used to love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 We should probably get used to those being given as penalties, it'll be happening a lot more often in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: He purposely jumped in the air to try and block the shot, the same as thousands of footballers do in every game every week. The fact he has arms, means his arms have to be somewhere!, this does not mean he is deliberately handling the ball. The fact that the shot was going about 10 yards over the bar makes it even more farcical, it opens up the scenario where the clever players will no doubt start aiming for detenders arms instead of the goal. Anyone who has played the game knows that tonight’s penalty was a complete farce, technology is killing the game I used to love. shut up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 Rashford has taken two penalties in his senior career - one for England in the shootout at the World Cup, and that tonight. Not a bad record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 The problem with slowed down VAR is it doesn't allow for the speed of the ball. There is no way anyone could have moved their hand deliberately towards the ball with that shot - simply not enough time with speed and distance involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, Northern Red said: We should probably get used to those being given as penalties, it'll be happening a lot more often in future. Should have happened for us v Wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, eardun said: Should have happened for us v Wolves. It would if we'd had VAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: He purposely jumped in the air to try and block the shot, the same as thousands of footballers do in every game every week. The fact he has arms, means his arms have to be somewhere!, this does not mean he is deliberately handling the ball. The fact that the shot was going about 10 yards over the bar makes it even more farcical, it opens up the scenario where the clever players will no doubt start aiming for detenders arms instead of the goal. Anyone who has played the game knows that tonight’s penalty was a complete farce, technology is killing the game I used to love. Long jumpers and high jumpers use their arms to create balance as part of their jumping actions. Likewise football players arms have to be used to create balance and force - Its Newtons laws of motion. If arm movement is constrained less force is generated meaning players jumping capacity is severely limited. There is also a question here about other handballs where the player does not jump. Running technique requires the use of the arms not being constrained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said: The problem with slowed down VAR is it doesn't allow for the speed of the ball. There is no way anyone could have moved their hand deliberately towards the ball with that shot - simply not enough time with speed and distance involved. I don’t understand this argument. Of course he could move his hand that quickly. Reaction times for humans is tiny. Keepers move that quickly week in week out, having to move much bigger distances, over a shorter amount of time. Of course it’s possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, billywedlock said: For those that don't believe a manger can have impact.. Ole... probably the most impressive turnaround you can think of. Maybe it reflects player power, how they can turn it on and off, like they have done at Chelsea these last years. A sad reflection. OGS has got the job, football is results, and his results with the same material have been extraordinary . Whilst I agree on player power, he has earned the job. When you listen to his post-match tactical analysis and you can just tell this guy ‘gets it’. Whether he has surrounded himself with tacticians - which he didn’t have at Cardiff - or has learned, something has clicked and whatever it is it is working and working very well. I do not believe it comes down to players playing for him and not Jose. The latter I do, but when he comes out after and the players have executed exactly the tactics he describes instilling in them, it doesn’t suggest it’s all unilateral. Be honest, who at 80mins thought Man Utd wouldn’t get that decisive goal? I think we all could see it coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, 29AR said: Whilst I agree on player power, he has earned the job. When you listen to his post-match tactical analysis and you can just tell this guy ‘gets it’. Whether he has surrounded himself with tacticians - which he didn’t have at Cardiff - or has learned, something has clicked and whatever it is it is working and working very well. I do not believe it comes down to players playing for him and not Jose. The latter I do, but when he comes out after and the players have executed exactly the tactics he describes instilling in them, it doesn’t suggest it’s all unilateral. Be honest, who at 80mins thought Man Utd wouldn’t get that decisive goal? I think we all could see it coming. It’s Man Utd, was always going to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 19 minutes ago, JasonM88 said: I don’t understand this argument. Of course he could move his hand that quickly. Reaction times for humans is tiny. Keepers move that quickly week in week out, having to move much bigger distances, over a shorter amount of time. Of course it’s possible. No a player cannot move his arm that quickly when jumping because it will significantly affect how the player will jump. Reaction times are a complex topic. For a footballer reactions go beyond having supposedly quick reflexes. A Keeper develops cognitive ability via their specific training for their specific role creating motor programmes. Outfield players have differing abilities and reaction times to different to tasks because they do not practice shot stopping for weeks, months, decades ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, Cowshed said: No a player cannot move his arm that quickly when jumping because it will significantly affect how the player will jump. Reaction times are a complex topic. For a footballer reactions go beyond having supposedly quick reflexes. A Keeper develops cognitive ability via their specific training for their specific role creating motor programmes. Outfield players have differing abilities and reaction times to different to tasks because they do not practice shot stopping for weeks, months, decades ... The player turned 180 degrees in the time it took for the ball the reach him from when it left his boot. He could move his hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Lew-T said: Surprised by the reaction of the penalty decision on here and social media. Looked pretty clear to me. Turns his back on the ball and leaves his arm out. It's one of those, if it gets given against you you'd be fumming but if it's not given for you then you'd be fumming. The rules next season should help to make things much clearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 19 minutes ago, JasonM88 said: The player turned 180 degrees in the time it took for the ball the reach him from when it left his boot. He could move his hand. For it to be a penalty his arm has to move to the ball and be deliberate. He has turned his back. It is not arm to ball. That is not deliberate. He has been penalised for having arms. Arms that the ball struck, not the other way round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 hour ago, JasonM88 said: It’s Man Utd, was always going to happen A decade ago; sure, under Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho, don’t think so. And that’s the difference, Olé, for whatever reason, has brought the steel back in them where undoubtedly others failed. Yes Jose won honours, but - like them or loathe them - United used to be an edge of your seat watch under Ferguson and they’re becoming that again. People love to hate them, but I think that’s down to becoming too popular. The popularity came because they were never beaten until full time. A United, or any team like that, is good for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 All this talk about whether the player moved his hand deliberately is academic, because Neymar ( that bastion of fair play) says the ball hit the defender in the back. What's more, the PSG manager said it should not have been a penalty because the shot was going well over the bar, although what that has anything to do with a penalty decision anyone knows. Good thing those two aren't on a VAR review panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 7 hours ago, 29AR said: Whilst I agree on player power, he has earned the job. When you listen to his post-match tactical analysis and you can just tell this guy ‘gets it’. Whether he has surrounded himself with tacticians - which he didn’t have at Cardiff - or has learned, something has clicked and whatever it is it is working and working very well. I do not believe it comes down to players playing for him and not Jose. The latter I do, but when he comes out after and the players have executed exactly the tactics he describes instilling in them, it doesn’t suggest it’s all unilateral. Be honest, who at 80mins thought Man Utd wouldn’t get that decisive goal? I think we all could see it coming. I wouldn’t discount his decision to bring back Mike Phelan alongside him as a factor. They both understand the United way. I guess the real test will be when they lose 2-3 on the bounce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Somerset Red Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 9 hours ago, Maltshoveller said: If i was a Man Utd fan i would feel totally cheated Their fans turn up every week only for that bunch of W######s to down tools for 18 months Well maybe the manager was the problem? I mean when you have a guy coming out in press conferences and saying his players are not good enough and he should've been given more money to replace them then maybe you can understand why they downed tools? Mourinho maybe a great tactician but his man management is atrocious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 9 hours ago, Portland Bill said: If your going to give penalties for that, then we may as well all pack it in, defenders have arms, defenders need to jump, personally football with var has become an absolute joke. Might as well all play in straight jackets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 9 hours ago, Up The City! said: Where United went wrong after SAF left was they appointed people who didn't understand the club. Imo they should have stuck with Giggs. This. He purposely made himself bigger hence why it's a deliberate hand ball. You have to try and make yourself bigger though. As a defender your not going to make yourself smaller. With the softness that free kicks are given nowadays it makes defending a nightmare as it is. For me handball should always be intentional movement of the hand or arm at the ball. Ball being smashed at the arm shouldn't be classed as a handball. If that had happened outside the box there would have been no VAR and nothing would have been given also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trueredsupporter Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 9 hours ago, Rob k said: I thought it was a pen - jumped up and turned his back, arm was out so it was a pen Where in the rules does it say you cant do that???? 9 hours ago, Rob k said: Only he wasn’t looking in the wrong direction to begin with doesn't matter at that range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 It was harsh, but a pen, and well dispatched. A fantastic game, loved every second, what we do.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 VAR won't work if you get absolute idiots working it. That was a disgraceful decision the blokes not even looking at the ball and they class that as deliberate handball? Joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 9 hours ago, RedDave said: His arm was out. Penalty Funny how a lot of pundits and fans say no penalty and THREE out of three qualified referees say penalty. Pretty sure if all three say pen then it’s a pen Given the bunch of cheats they are/were, I don't trust the views of any present or (recent) past players. Their minds are a fog of conning the ref and bending the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 Jump. Turn. And still keep your arms by your side. I have tried this several times this morning on the drive way. Doesn't work.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: Given the bunch of cheats they are/were, I don't trust the views of any present or (recent) past players. Their minds are a fog of conning the ref and bending the rules. Have you never played football before then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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