Bcfccity Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 The amount of times I have heard this the end of last season and the last two weeks unreal!! do people actually think footballers would not want to play in the best league in the world? do people think the management would not want to manage at the highest standard in the world? do people actually think SL dosent want to see Bristol City in the premier league! why do people think we don’t want to go up because we could come straight back down?? Spend wisey and not an issue. why do people think SL is more interested in rugby??? He has spent a lot more money on bcfc. just so fed up with this comment every time we start to choke. It’s not a massive conspiracy just a simple case we are loosing now, nothing to do with the illuminati! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 This has always been said for the nearly 70 years I have followed City The reason is not far to seek. We have always, with very few exceptions, been happy as a club to be satisfied with just jogging along. That isn't to say the club haven't wanted more but that they are always ok with it as it is. We lack that belief and full on commitment other clubs have You could well say this is typical of Bristol as a whole. For all my 70 + years we have talked about a modern transport system but are now worse off than we were pre war when we had trams and a more comprehensive suburban railway system in addition to buses If you support City then you just have to accept that the killer instinct is almost always lacking. Players often refer to us as a nice club in a nice city. Don't think that is a view held by Leeds players for example. Leeds always look and sound like they mean business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: This has always been said for the nearly 70 years I have followed City The reason is not far to seek. We have always, with very few exceptions, been happy as a club to be satisfied with just jogging along. That isn't to say the club haven't wanted more but that they are always ok with it as it is. We lack that belief and full on commitment other clubs have You could well say this is typical of Bristol as a whole. For all my 70 + years we have talked about a modern transport system but are now worse off than we were pre war when we had trams and a more comprehensive suburban railway system in addition to buses If you support City then you just have to accept that the killer instinct is almost always lacking. Players often refer to us as a nice club in a nice city. Don't think that is a view held by Leeds players for example. Leeds always look and sound like they mean business I entirely agree with you about City - but surely there are few clubs 'nicer' than Southampton and Fulham, perennial Premier Leaguers...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 I think the question when levelled at players can be a difficult one, with certain players knowing if they assist the club to get promoted they are unlikely to be a part of the team playing in the premiership, so it's like the old analogy of Turkeys voting for Christmas!! This does not apply to the club or management, although as a fan and longtime season ticket holder I have mixed views about being promoted this year, if we went up I would want to be competitive and not just completing for the lowest ever points record, I think held by FLDC. Conversely the money you make from just getting promoted could help to sustain and raise the level of players higher if invested wisely and not doing a Fulham. It would also be great to see us at that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepers Ball Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Ivorguy said: This has always been said for the nearly 70 years I have followed City The reason is not far to seek. We have always, with very few exceptions, been happy as a club to be satisfied with just jogging along. That isn't to say the club haven't wanted more but that they are always ok with it as it is. We lack that belief and full on commitment other clubs have You could well say this is typical of Bristol as a whole. For all my 70 + years we have talked about a modern transport system but are now worse off than we were pre war when we had trams and a more comprehensive suburban railway system in addition to buses If you support City then you just have to accept that the killer instinct is almost always lacking. Players often refer to us as a nice club in a nice city. Don't think that is a view held by Leeds players for example. Leeds always look and sound like they mean business Its called Apathy and this City is full of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, AshtonGreat said: I entirely agree with you about City - but surely there are few clubs 'nicer' than Southampton and Fulham, perennial Premier Leaguers...? Plus Norwich, a regular 'yoyo' club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Bcfccity said: The amount of times I have heard this the end of last season and the last two weeks unreal!! do people actually think footballers would not want to play in the best league in the world? do people think the management would not want to manage at the highest standard in the world? do people actually think SL dosent want to see Bristol City in the premier league! why do people think we don’t want to go up because we could come straight back down?? Spend wisey and not an issue. why do people think SL is more interested in rugby??? He has spent a lot more money on bcfc. just so fed up with this comment every time we start to choke. It’s not a massive conspiracy just a simple case we are loosing now, nothing to do with the illuminati! And will continually be said unless lansdown fully commits to his so called dream,as you said the players will always try to get there but are they good enough,on today’s evidence the answer is staring you in the face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 It has been told by ex footballers that some of their teammates didn’t want to get promoted. They were under the belief they’ll just get ‘replaced’ by other players and then be sold off, thus needing to potentially relocate and settle their families elsewhere etc. I would be very surprised though if any City players have this mindset as it would be very possible our mainstays in the team would be given a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said: It has been told by ex footballers that some of their teammates didn’t want to get promoted. They were under the belief they’ll just get ‘replaced’ by other players and then be sold off, thus needing to potentially relocate and settle their families elsewhere etc. I would be very surprised though if any City players have this mindset as it would be very possible our mainstays in the team would be given a chance. Very few if any of our squad are Premiership standard. Having said that I don't believe any player doesn't want to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey54 Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Apathy?........meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, marmite said: Very few if any of our squad are Premiership standard. Having said that I don't believe any player doesn't want to win games. This cannot be determined as they’ve not had an opportunity to prove it. I do however believe we have a few capable of stepping it up. Bournemouth had many who largely played L1/L2 football. They proved their worth. Some still are several years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Zod Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 We obviously want promotion but I don’t think we want promotion as much as a lot of other clubs in the division. If we did then our transfer activity each time we get into a good position would be more determined. LJ said competition for Fam was his number one priority. We free up cash by selling Duric and have two windows to globally scout targets, talk to agents, sell the club and get someone in. Two windows and I’m supposed to believe no one fits the bill and the players are out of our price range. A club which truely wanted promotion would realise that perhaps we need to loosen the purse strings once in a while and pay the going rate for certain specialist positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT The Optimist Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, General Zod said: App club which truely wanted promotion would realise that perhaps we need to loosen the purse strings once in a while and pay the going rate for certain specialist positions. Sadly also FFP and while SL has his billions he will not and cannot just bung the club 100m and say do this or that, and end up blowing it and wasting it. Journey men again . They are right, need right players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Whole host of issues, affordability, ability to attract players, plus having sold 3 top players last summer, partly to balance books. We are on the right lines as a club, and with the squad we have, vastly over-performing. Two seasons of challenging for play offs is pretty good really, last year a cup run and lack of depth cost us, this year it may well be the congested April fixture list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityCiderEd Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 This squad would be dismantled if we happened to go up.Okay for where we are now but only a few could make the step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allwaysred Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 11 hours ago, Bcfccity said: The amount of times I have heard this the end of last season and the last two weeks unreal!! do people actually think footballers would not want to play in the best league in the world? do people think the management would not want to manage at the highest standard in the world? do people actually think SL dosent want to see Bristol City in the premier league! why do people think we don’t want to go up because we could come straight back down?? Spend wisey and not an issue. why do people think SL is more interested in rugby??? He has spent a lot more money on bcfc. just so fed up with this comment every time we start to choke. It’s not a massive conspiracy just a simple case we are loosing now, nothing to do with the illuminati! Think a good example is we haven't spent any money in the right area's when it's mattered. WHY?? Toe to toe with Wolves and didn't spend won't have a better chance. Exactly the same this year. MA bangs on about he works well in advance to identify the right player for our club so why couldn't we get a striker or creative midfielder we've so badly needed when every club who have either been promoted or are above us now have????? It makes me laugh when I hearfans saying or writing we're not ready to go up!!! Oh right so when exactly are we ready?? We're Bournemouth ready?? Some point we have to invest in quality in key area's and that's why people will question this and rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bcfccity Posted March 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, General Zod said: We obviously want promotion but I don’t think we want promotion as much as a lot of other clubs in the division. If we did then our transfer activity each time we get into a good position would be more determined. LJ said competition for Fam was his number one priority. We free up cash by selling Duric and have two windows to globally scout targets, talk to agents, sell the club and get someone in. Two windows and I’m supposed to believe no one fits the bill and the players are out of our price range. A club which truely wanted promotion would realise that perhaps we need to loosen the purse strings once in a while and pay the going rate for certain specialist positions. I think the whole improvement the past few years is down to not splashing money and wages on top players instead of getting players that will fit into the squad and give 100%. Last mistake was Tonkin through fan pressure and you go even further back to the season after the playoff defeat to hull, a lot of money spent that damaged us for seasons after untill this was cleared by SL. another post I saw which I agree with on this thread is about players signed in transfer window. Last year wasn’t good enough but we were toe to toe with wolves and this year everyone was happy with casey but at this point we were unbeaten and on our winning streak, there was no need to bring anyone in. but the main point I made at start is people who go down the gate just to slag the team off in local pubs with no actual football knowledge just to remark with the brain dead comment of “they don’t want to go up” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldland3 Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 well seeing the way they played against Leeds yesterday i would say it's the players are scared of going up as they fear they would end up like Huddersfield, yesterday i thought i was watching a bunch of schoolboys playing Leeds, we couldn't string 2 passes together, sorry my mistake we did manage it when we passed between our back 2, Diedhiou seems very lazy, too slow and gets the ball taken of him so easily, back to basics in training then for the squad, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Allwaysred said: Some point we have to invest in quality in key area's and that's why people will question this and rightly so. Quite right. We, as a club aren't at that point yet. Unfortunately, for some, stability along with careful investment is too slow a process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: Quite right. We, as a club aren't at that point yet. Unfortunately, for some, stability along with careful investment is too slow a process. Not for Steve Lansdown tho...... That said he said very clearly before Xmas that expected a top six finish this season and so far so good. Once you’re in the pray offs anything can happen..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: It has been told by ex footballers that some of their teammates didn’t want to get promoted. They were under the belief they’ll just get ‘replaced’ by other players and then be sold off, thus needing to potentially relocate and settle their families elsewhere etc. I would be very surprised though if any City players have this mindset as it would be very possible our mainstays in the team would be given a chance. I’ve heard this before, think it was McIndoe who raised it on here too. I don’t buy it these days. If you’re part of a promotion winning team, and not wanted in the Prem, you are gonna be sought after at a list of prospective clubs back in the Champ, at ofobably a “bigger club” then City, and on likely more money too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Zod Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Bcfccity said: I think the whole improvement the past few years is down to not splashing money and wages on top players instead of getting players that will fit into the squad and give 100%. Last mistake was Tonkin through fan pressure and you go even further back to the season after the playoff defeat to hull, a lot of money spent that damaged us for seasons after untill this was cleared by SL. another post I saw which I agree with on this thread is about players signed in transfer window. Last year wasn’t good enough but we were toe to toe with wolves and this year everyone was happy with casey but at this point we were unbeaten and on our winning streak, there was no need to bring anyone in. but the main point I made at start is people who go down the gate just to slag the team off in local pubs with no actual football knowledge just to remark with the brain dead comment of “they don’t want to go up” We have adopted the ‘dont splash the cash’ approach in the last two windows. We try to do things on the cheap. I appreciate this season isn’t over but for me this approach isn’t working. Next season if we get into a good position again I hope SL gives us a small part of his vast fortune to bring in the one or two players needed to get us over the line or at least stop us falling away. Last year the squad running out of legs cost us. This year we are flogging Fam, Brownhill and Pack to death and should have used the window to correct this. Surely next year the lesson will be learnt or will we just keep the same approach expecting a different result? LJ said he needed certain types of players in the window and I believe a combination of MA in ability to sell the club, our scouting system not identifying credible targets and our owners reluctance to move away from the long term philosophy and losen the purse strings really has let LJ down once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Island Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Its quite obvious we dont have enough to get over the line most games i sit and hope rather than expect so much is missing from our game we rareley lòok like scoring from a freekick or conrner and when was the lst time we saw a piledriver from outside the box fizz into the top corner i beleive a quality miffielder and a get in behind pacy striker added to what we have would have made the diffrence having got ourselfs in a great postion two seasons in a row and do nothing is baffling can we really expect to be there a third year highly unlikely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, Banjo Island said: Its quite obvious we dont have enough to get over the line most games i sit and hope rather than expect so much is missing from our game we rareley lòok like scoring from a freekick or conrner and when was the lst time we saw a piledriver from outside the box fizz into the top corner i beleive a quality miffielder and a get in behind pacy striker added to what we have would have made the diffrence having got ourselfs in a great postion two seasons in a row and do nothing is baffling can we really expect to be there a third year highly unlikely Hogan might have been that type of striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey54 Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Roger Red Hat said: Quite right. We, as a club aren't at that point yet. Unfortunately, for some, stability along with careful investment is too slow a process. Been saying this for years. We need some quality and old heads through the spine of the team. Some been there/done that pros who can help the obviously talented young players along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 13 hours ago, sh1t_ref_again said: I think the question when levelled at players can be a difficult one, with certain players knowing if they assist the club to get promoted they are unlikely to be a part of the team playing in the premiership, so it's like the old analogy of Turkeys voting for Christmas!! This does not apply to the club or management, although as a fan and longtime season ticket holder I have mixed views about being promoted this year, if we went up I would want to be competitive and not just completing for the lowest ever points record, I think held by FLDC. Conversely the money you make from just getting promoted could help to sustain and raise the level of players higher if invested wisely and not doing a Fulham. It would also be great to see us at that level. And it's an interesting question... We would hope highly paid pro's to always be 100% committed to the job at hand...but we can't totally dismiss the 'human angle-our players I'm sure 'sit with their own private thoughts as do we all. How many of the current squad,Bristol City players,do we honestly think would have a fighting chance of acclimatizing to the rarified heights of premier League football ??.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 I've said that the club doesn't want to go up yet. It's 90% a Championship squad so would need wholesale replacement. Preston openly said back in the 90s when they looked likely to go up that it was too early for their long term plan and if they did go up then they would buy nobody and would come straight down again; spending the additional money on training facilities and improving the ground with the aim of going up and staying up in a few years' time when they were ready. Had we really wanted to go up this year then we would have spend big last summer; if we spend big this summer then we're going for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLRed Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Until we pay players big wages, we will never have what takes to be a top club. we can't keep hold of players when they get to a better standard, we can't attract top players that would give us the edge and killer instinct to be truly competitive, we can't afford or attract a top manager that has the nouse and experience to make us a top club. we can only rely on youth and purchasing potential which is reliant on our coaching team developing them and the players having the determination and quality to want better. I don't believe we have a manager with enough tactical nouse to get us out of this league. The coaching team have proven to develop the players but they are too young and mentally not capable to stand the test of a full campaign. we also will keep having to reset every season as when we do see a little success, the better players will end up getting sold putting us back to square one. It will continue to be a never ending circle of this but inevitably, we will always fall short of taking that next step on unfortunately. next three or four out the door will be Kelly, odowda, semenyo and brownhill. Kalas won't stay as bigger clubs will want him and nor will Palmer if we continue to not play him. we need to take chances when we get into good positions but we don't have the ability, drive, determination, or quality to stake our claim inevitably leading to failure and disappointment for the fan base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Lansdown wants promotion but isn’t willing to pay for it, either on a proven manager or top players. That’s the issue and until it changes we can’t hope for anything more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 I think the jury is out on this, the current squad would all benefit from promotion in some way, there are weaknesses but not many of them can be blamed for it, our midfield is what it is and is crying out for some rotation, where we need to improve is game plan and players in their best positions - so the answers are not on the field! last time we came up against Hull at Wembley and we were poor in that game! It’s a fact fact that we were carrying some in the squad that defo would NOT have moved on with us under GJ or any subsequent manager this time it’s down to LJ to get it right, none of us are managers but we have been fans long enough to recognise that some of our starting tactics and players are a long way off from what we need - same as we don’t need key players publicly shamed because they didn’t get the job quite right even when selection forced them to play out of position! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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