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Johnson pleased with a point

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7 minutes ago, Eastendboy1965 said:

Yep. He doesn't want to get involved with the Premier league unless we stray into it by chance. 

Accepting the FFP argument as justification for our inability to strengthen in Jan, and similarly last year, were the same rules in place in 2008 when exactly the same thing happened? Genuine question.

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24 minutes ago, shelts said:

Suprised he said that . Just shows the tinpot mentatality at our club 

As I said on a earlier Thread, responding to the thought we don't want promotion, the club is always satisfied with just mediocrity. LJ's response to tonight's match is exactly what I meant. He should be 100% dissatisfied with failing to win against a bottom team at home.  He should have been dissatisfied with another lacklustre performance. He should have been dissatisfied with continuing to fail in terms of pushing on to a playoff place.

Same old City, too easily satisfied with mediocrity. Hardly surprising given view of Head Coach the players seem incapable of lifting their game.  I should think Kalas, given his comments after the Leeds game, must be wondering why he ever agreed to come west.

 

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3 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Really?

ok 18 months ago we needed a better quality and LJ spends over a million on a right back that he obviously has little or no faith in, the other right back gets injured everytime he farts and we end up shoehorning in Wright 18 months on, ok Hunt played tonight but I fully expect Wright playing right back on Saturday, sorry it ain’t good enough.

I could move on to Watkins and even Taylor 

Really? Yes. I think you are moaning for the sake of moaning.

He's signed two right backs and so far, bar the Leeds game, Wright has only played right back when both right backs have been injured. 

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2 minutes ago, reddoc said:

Accepting the FFP argument as justification for our inability to strengthen in Jan, and similarly last year, were the same rules in place in 2008 when exactly the same thing happened? Genuine question.

Don't believe they were... and thats when my heat sank, we could have made i that season. I realised by not investing a little at that point what we could expect going forward.

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3 minutes ago, smokey live said:

Really? Yes. I think you are moaning for the sake of moaning.

He's signed two right backs and so far, bar the Leeds game, Wright has only played right back when both right backs have been injured. 

Thats untrue one of them has usually been on the bench, he doesn’t rate Hunt and Pisano is a sicknote.

And Wright hasn’t long come back fron long term injury.

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5 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

As I said on a earlier Thread, responding to the thought we don't want promotion, the club is always satisfied with just mediocrity. LJ's response to tonight's match is exactly what I meant. He should be 100% dissatisfied with failing to win against a bottom team at home.  He should have been dissatisfied with another lacklustre performance. He should have been dissatisfied with continuing to fail in terms of pushing on to a playoff place.

Same old City, too easily satisfied with mediocrity. Hardly surprising given view of Head Coach the players seem incapable of lifting their game.  I should think Kalas, given his comments after the Leeds game, must be wondering why he ever agreed to come west.

 

Sums it all up.

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3 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Thats untrue one of them has usually been on the bench, he doesn’t rate Hunt and Pisano is a sicknote

If he doesn't rate Hunt why did he play today in place of Wright? 

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1 hour ago, Fordy62 said:

Born winner.

happy with a point at home to a team 12 points adrift at the bottom. 

Beggars belief. 

And a team that made 5 changes to the side that drew with West Brom last Saturday, and played 5 academy players during the course of tonight's game.

City were gutless and outfought and outplayed by a team facing certain relegation. Ipswich were fearless and deserved to win.

What that says about our prospects for the remainder of the season is anyone's guess.

Johnson and the players need to grow a pair before we face the Blades on March 30, or we'll get hammered.

I imagine he'll trot out of the old favourite from 2016/17, "I need players I can trust," any day now.

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21 minutes ago, smokey live said:

If he doesn't rate Hunt why did he play today in place of Wright? 

What others have said it was his turn.

Tonight I saw a team lacking in ideas, motivation and skill, 2 points from 15 is just not good enough but LJ is happy with a point, so my opinion is worth nowt.

The way we are playing I see 4 points between now and the end of the season.

We need some quality for a change and not cheap options.

The knock on for me is if we were in with a chance if signing a player like Kalas, he would probably think twice right now.

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Wow. There’s a lot of folks taking this quote completely out of context. 

Context is very important. 

Its quite clear he’s not happy with a point. But that we were so crap we deserved 0.

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1 hour ago, Redmycolour said:

I can see LJ out squad coming out again, that was awful, Who scouted that goalkeeper, bring back MO, then he brings MT on with 8 mins left, WHAT? 

It would be interesting to see what he was like with the ball at his feet.  His handling was ok, and we needed cover for Max.  The surprise was leaving Max out.  But let’s not forget his fast the Champ is, and his quick the players brains are.  Max has had a few hairy moments with the ball at his feet (Recall away at Brentford, where he kicked one out for a corner, and home to Hull where he gifted the ball to Grosicki, but was bailed out).  If he continues to play, he will need to sharpen up big time, but he made a couple if very decent saves.

Out of choice he wouldn’t be in our squad, but the window has closed, he was out of contact, and it looked as though we’d be going with JoJo on the bench.  As I said above, surprised Max not remained the first choice.

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5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

It would be interesting to see what he was like with the ball at his feet.  His handling was ok, and we needed cover for Max.  The surprise was leaving Max out.  But let’s not forget his fast the Champ is, and his quick the players brains are.  Max has had a few hairy moments with the ball at his feet (Recall away at Brentford, where he kicked one out for a corner, and home to Hull where he gifted the ball to Grosicki, but was bailed out).  If he continues to play, he will need to sharpen up big time, but he made a couple if very decent saves.

Out of choice he wouldn’t be in our squad, but the window has closed, he was out of contact, and it looked as though we’d be going with JoJo on the bench.  As I said above, surprised Max not remained the first choice.

Johnson said he had already told them Max was playing against Leeds and Stefan was playing against Ipswich then they will both get 45 mins each in a practice game to see who will be number 1 until Nikki is back. 

Personally think that's a bit of stupid way of doing thing's. 

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3 minutes ago, smokey live said:

Johnson said he had already told them Max was playing against Leeds and Stefan was playing against Ipswich then they will both get 45 mins each in a practice game to see who will be number 1 until Nikki is back. 

Personally think that's a bit of stupid way of doing thing's. 

Aha, only heard the radio Bristol post-match presser.

Thinking too far ahead imho.

just read Mäenpää Out for the season....is that not true?

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6 minutes ago, Harry said:

Wow. There’s a lot of folks taking this quote completely out of context. 

Context is very important. 

Its quite clear he’s not happy with a point. But that we were so crap we deserved 0.

Harry, there is only one context, he has failed to sort our right back issue 18 months on, he has failed to sign a striker to at least put a modicum of pressure on Diedhiou our immobile loan striker, he loves Paterson far too much and midfield is still the shambles it was when he took over and he has signed too many bang average players, this is shaping up towards another season that promised so much and delivered so little.

Of course I will be more than happy to publicly eat my words.

Tonight was like a parks match.

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1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Aha, only heard the radio Bristol post-match presser.

Thinking too far ahead imho.

just read Mäenpää Out for the season....is that not true?

Something about trying blood spinning (what ever that is?) to speed up the recovery which could be a best case scenario of out for about 4 to 5 weeks.

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4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Aha, only heard the radio Bristol post-match presser.

Thinking too far ahead imho.

just read Mäenpää Out for the season....is that not true?

According to The Post: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/he-boots-wrong-feet-lee-2639041 Niki is out for 4-5 week's minimum, but probably for the remainder of the campaign.

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1 hour ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

LJ talks out of his arse shocker, looking at our remaining games I see 4 points if we are lucky.

We were shocking, but Paterson, Diedhiou and Pack will still start the next game, because LJ loves Paterson and has no credible replacements for Diedhiou or Pack.

Paterson is sh*t (that could be shit or shot) and has been for the last two seasons. I don't get it. And Weimann is largely a waste of space.

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4 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Harry, there is only one context, he has failed to sort our right back issue 18 months on, he has failed to sign a striker to at least put a modicum of pressure on Diedhiou our immobile loan striker, he loves Paterson far too much and midfield is still the shambles it was when he took over and he has signed too many bang average players, this is shaping up towards another season that promised so much and delivered so little.

Of course I will be more than happy to publicly eat my words.

Tonight was like a parks match.

Yes, but this thread was about the context of his ‘happy with a point’ quote. 

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Don’t know if it’s a good thing or not ? The shite management of the last few games will probably mean that any team thinking about poaching LJ will be looking elsewhere! 

WTF is he playing at? Brownhill and Pack are knackered, where are Morrell and Walsh?

9 is so limited no other team would touch him, took Elliason, tonight’s best crosser off, started Paterson AGAIN - utterly useless every time he got a good ball he fell over - at one stage 3 Ipswich players were playing ping pong in front of LJ and pato was hopping around in front of them smiling at his lover - a challenge would have been more use but we all know that almost never happens!

Have to say in the main our back 4 played quite well. Good to see Kelly start, have to say that he and Elliason were trying and worth a watch. Palmer, O’Dowda and Taylor came on but none actually  had much impact, Seminyo would have probably been a better option with his speed and accuracy but we don’t see the obvious, we will probably not see him again until he starts out of position against a team where he is out of his depth!

Its effing difficult being a city fan sometimes! I could have stayed at home and watched it in the warm and avoided a 65 mile round trip but that would meant my grandson would have missed the game,

FFS boys you now have the best part of 3 weeks to turn it around - respect the fans and play for the shirt! Even if performing for LJ is not a priority!

COYR

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6 minutes ago, Harry said:

Yes, but this thread was about the context of his ‘happy with a point’ quote. 

Interesting Pack and Brownhill....63 passes between then - 39 and 24 respectively.  That’s lower than both get on average each.  

They are knackered.

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1 minute ago, Harry said:

Yes, but this thread was about the context of his ‘happy with a point’ quote. 

Yes but that’s what he said, perhaps some sort of explanation about why we were so shit?

Maybe even an explanation for his ineptitude at Norwich, getting to halftime 2-1 up with Wright getting skinned alive and not changing him at halftime for Pisano, perhaps an explanation for his subsequent bewildering substitutions, maybe occassionally actually taking some responsibility instead of being disappointed with the way we played.

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All reports suggest you were poor tonight.    Really, I'm pleased to take a point from there - we could have taken all three in actual fact - but given the league position and games remaining it's all too little too late.

McCarthy was often well pleased with a point regardless of who we played or how we achieved it.   Just a managers way of saving face or taken positives from any situation.   Doubt your manager is hardly unique for it.    Look, you need to count your blessings, OK you didn't get the win you'd hope for but for crying out loud many teams in this division would give their right arm to be in the league position your clubs in.  

Could be a while before we play each other again.   Get over tonight you're still in a very good position at this stage of the season.   Results like this, often occur - we had nothing to realistically fight for and gave it a go.   I'm more frustrated that we should have won over there, or perhaps you'd like to swap places.. 😐

 

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7 hours ago, smokey live said:

Johnson said he had already told them Max was playing against Leeds and Stefan was playing against Ipswich then they will both get 45 mins each in a practice game to see who will be number 1 until Nikki is back. 

Personally think that's a bit of stupid way of doing thing's. 

Not heard that but there is an u23’s game at Crewe today, could this be the game? Normally I don’t think a player would travel and play the day after playing but if he needs match practice, which he clearly does then stranger things have happened. 

I guess it must have been nerves or something as in training he can’t have been as bad as he was, or if so someone made a terrible call? 

Anyone know if the players have a bit of downtown now as we don’t have a match for a while, certainly looked like it was one of those games late in the season when their heads were already on the beach.

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7 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Interesting Pack and Brownhill....63 passes between then - 39 and 24 respectively.  That’s lower than both get on average each.  

They are knackered.

Yup, that was clear. As I said before Korey told me in January he was expecting to be back in February and ready to help them with the Sat/Tues matches which are punishing. He indicated they were doing a great job but between the lines I’m sure he was saying this wasn’t sustainable. Walsh being injured at the same time certainly hasn’t helped either. 

Its like when someone is sick at work, you can carry their load for a while but if you aren’t getting rest yourself how long can you go on. Looks like the goal posts have been moved significantly too for the return of Korey and Walsh, Marlon and Brownhill have basically been told they have to carry on with no real help, mentally and physically they looked shot last night. 

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7 hours ago, AshtonGreat said:

Paterson is sh*t (that could be shit or shot) and has been for the last two seasons. I don't get it. And Weimann is largely a waste of space.

FD is a waste of space and money, LJ just won't drop him, as he's not scoring, give MT 90 mins, what can MT do in 8 mins last night, 

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32 minutes ago, Redmycolour said:

FD is a waste of space and money, LJ just won't drop him, as he's not scoring, give MT 90 mins, what can MT do in 8 mins last night, 

MT is not a Championship level centre forward...

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Some of the responses on here.... 

He basically said he was happy with a point as we were playing crap and 1 point is better than 0. In that respect he is absolutely correct. 

Smith and Walsh are the credible cover for pack (and brownhill) . Unfortunately both have been out with long term injury.

Our new goalkeeper was crap. But has anyone thought that perhaps LJ was expecting a better team performance and was perhaps trying to ease him into the championship against the bottom of the league? 

We tried to get another striker in January. People act like we didn’t just because we didn’t manage to.

Yes it hasn't been good enough the last 6 games and home form really needs to improve but some if the comments on here when we are currently 6th is laughable. 

 

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8 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Interesting Pack and Brownhill....63 passes between then - 39 and 24 respectively.  That’s lower than both get on average each.  

They are knackered.

Don't get this argument (unless you need an excuse). The more you play the less you train. It balances out. 

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7 hours ago, Southend Blue said:

All reports suggest you were poor tonight.    Really, I'm pleased to take a point from there - we could have taken all three in actual fact - but given the league position and games remaining it's all too little too late.

McCarthy was often well pleased with a point regardless of who we played or how we achieved it.   Just a managers way of saving face or taken positives from any situation.   Doubt your manager is hardly unique for it.    Look, you need to count your blessings, OK you didn't get the win you'd hope for but for crying out loud many teams in this division would give their right arm to be in the league position your clubs in.  

Could be a while before we play each other again.   Get over tonight you're still in a very good position at this stage of the season.   Results like this, often occur - we had nothing to realistically fight for and gave it a go.   I'm more frustrated that we should have won over there, or perhaps you'd like to swap places.. 😐

 

Thanks.

We are just witnessing déjà vu as our much heralded push to consolidate a top six place appears to be fizzling out with gutless, gormless performances.

I started a thread saying that for us to have serious ambitions of the play offs then we needed to win against your team, no disrespect but you are down there for a reason and any club hoping to go up should be able to deal with your game plan .

It isn’t just that you nullified us and could have taken all the points , it’s that our performances of late don’t give us any confidence  that we can win a match . We are woeful and the coaching staff don’t appear to have the wherewithal to change things .

At this stage of proceedings we need players who will dig in and fight for each minute of each match until the end.

We lack guts and belief.

I will be astounded if we finish in the top six now.

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38 minutes ago, cider-manc said:

Some of the responses on here.... 

He basically said he was happy with a point as we were playing crap and 1 point is better than 0. In that respect he is absolutely correct. 

Smith and Walsh are the credible cover for pack (and brownhill) . Unfortunately both have been out with long term injury.

Our new goalkeeper was crap. But has anyone thought that perhaps LJ was expecting a better team performance and was perhaps trying to ease him into the championship against the bottom of the league? 

We tried to get another striker in January. People act like we didn’t just because we didn’t manage to.

Yes it hasn't been good enough the last 6 games and home form really needs to improve but some if the comments on here when we are currently 6th is laughable. 

 

I am just amazed that some people accept that we failed to bring in a striker in January.

It wasn’t just the first day of the transfer window that we started looking .

Clearly we had a list and worked our way down it until someone, SL most likely, pulled the plug on the ones that could have happened.

It is about money , SL accepted a forward that LJ refused to sign , citing a lack of quality. 

«  Lee , this guy’s alright, he’s scored a few goals and he’s not going to cost too much « 

Lee hoping for a Championship proven  goal scorer gets shown  budget players.

I understand that forwards are the most expensive players to buy but I refuse to believe that a deal couldn’t have been done for a key position that may have got us promoted.

We could have sacrificed other players to get one in to account for FFP.

 

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11 hours ago, daored said:

Johnson just said on sky; ‘Quite pleased with the point, they’ve turned their form around ‘

But we could have had all 3 if he had played his subs earlier. I'm not sure why everyone assumed Ipswich were there for the taking. They'd had 1-1  draws with both Derby & WBA.

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I usually often defend LJ and the team- not a huge fan of the booing, but last night was so very poor. Back to Preston in November for that level of performance. Had we been playing one of the top 3 say and delivered that, well they're a classy side managed by an impressive coach despite the negative perceptions of Leeds especially on here but in no way can we be happy with a point...but more worryingly the performance, lack of cohesion, lack of control and yeah defensive security augur pretty badly for the last 10...

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11 hours ago, daored said:

Johnson just said on sky; ‘Quite pleased with the point, they’ve turned their form around ‘

Err, so have we Lee!

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9 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Interesting Pack and Brownhill....63 passes between then - 39 and 24 respectively.  That’s lower than both get on average each.  

They are knackered.

I think that was probably more to do with ipswich totally dominating the ball bar for 10 minutes at the end of the first half and 5 minutes at the end

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9 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Interesting Pack and Brownhill....63 passes between then - 39 and 24 respectively.  That’s lower than both get on average each.  

They are knackered.

Time to move to a bona fide midfield 3 perhaps? That'd give them the extra security and need to cover a little less ground.

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10 hours ago, reddoc said:

Accepting the FFP argument as justification for our inability to strengthen in Jan, and similarly last year, were the same rules in place in 2008 when exactly the same thing happened? Genuine question.

Nope. They were not and that is my biggest criticism...they didn't even exist or were only just being formulated- certainly no risk of points deductions back then.

This January, I think a loan for Assombalonga could have been viable, last January was where we were in a difficult spot- but the cash spent as and when it was could have been put to better use but hey hindsight eh.

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12 hours ago, RedDave said:

Just being a good manager. Protecting his players. You don’t know what he says behind closed doors.

Let him manage the sixth best team in the league and you lot try to support a bit yeah 

Being a good manager includes talking to the press / fans.

Lots of managers would have used the line its not good enough / I expect more - he said in effect he was satisfied.

It has been a good season, but it was a moronic thing to have claimed.

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1 hour ago, Major Isewater said:

I am just amazed that some people accept that we failed to bring in a striker in January.

It wasn’t just the first day of the transfer window that we started looking .

Clearly we had a list and worked our way down it until someone, SL most likely, pulled the plug on the ones that could have happened.

It is about money , SL accepted a forward that LJ refused to sign , citing a lack of quality. 

«  Lee , this guy’s alright, he’s scored a few goals and he’s not going to cost too much « 

Lee hoping for a Championship proven  goal scorer gets shown  budget players.

I understand that forwards are the most expensive players to buy but I refuse to believe that a deal couldn’t have been done for a key position that may have got us promoted.

We could have sacrificed other players to get one in to account for FFP.

 

What i don't accept is the club werent trying to get one in - they failed and that is hard to take as it could of given us the push needed. But people comment like we werent even really trying when there could be muliple reasons we didn’t get one over the line that are not the clubs doing.

It could be that the players simply didn’t want to come here.

It could be that the other club changed it's mind at the 11th hour.

It could be that the players agent started playing silly beggars and changing terms.

It could be that the player didn’t want to take the risk of not getting game time as we play with one up front.

It could be that another club is prefered by the player (hogan going to sheffield united).

It could be that a deal fell through for one of our sacrificed player? COD was heavily linked with leaving and we would probably have got a tidy sum for him (Might also explain why he is playing like hes already elsewhere at the min). Or maybe chelsea pulled the plug on a deal for semenyo due to their impending transfer band and the new rules regarding player loans. A deal for either might have set the wheels in motion for deals across several clubs like when buying a house in a chain.

Truth is we don't know.

 

 

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17 hours ago, JonDolman said:

It's clear he meant glad because we deserved less.

It was exactly this. And this was after being asked if we should have had more than a point - answer no and he was happy to get one in the end given how we played; Ipswich were better than us..

And he did say that we weren’t good enough and that we were nervy etc. But we have 10 games to still go for it. 

So I don’t get the problem with his sky interview. Just an honest assessment. 

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19 minutes ago, eardun said:

It was exactly this. And this was after being asked if we should have had more than a point - answer no and he was happy to get one in the end given how we played; Ipswich were better than us..

And he did say that we weren’t good enough and that we were nervy etc. But we have 10 games to still go for it. 

So I don’t get the problem with his sky interview. Just an honest assessment. 

I couldn't stand to watch anything post match so did he give an honest assessment of his own performance ? I don't tend to hear that to be honest, just the team, or occasionally individuals.

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