CityCiderEd Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 Marinovic...4 The early boob clearly unsettled him and he didn't recover. Hunt..............5 Just about okay Kalas.............6 Tidy and defended well Webster.........7 Won most headers and tried to bring the ball out but lack of movement upfront meant he ended up going wide. Kelly...............7 Tried to clear with the wrong foot for the og but otherwise played well Weimann.......4 No threat and rarely in the game. Pato..............4 As above. Brownhill.......4 Anonymous all game. Pack..............4 Never got us driving forward and passing and general play very poor. Eliasson.........6 His crosses are decent but he is so lightweight and easily brushed off the ball. Always seems to use his hands when he makes a tackle. Fammy..........5 Not a good game but why is he always back in our box defending then expected to be the outball when we clear it. Clears everything in our box but rarely wins a header in the opponents half. Subs all 5 although KP did create a chance that I thought MP should have scored from. coaching Staff...4 Running out of ideas and when to utilise the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 19 minutes ago, CityCiderEd said: Marinovic...4 The early boob clearly unsettled him and he didn't recover. Hunt..............5 Just about okay Kalas.............6 Tidy and defended well Webster.........7 Won most headers and tried to bring the ball out but lack of movement upfront meant he ended up going wide. Kelly...............7 Tried to clear with the wrong foot for the og but otherwise played well Weimann.......4 No threat and rarely in the game. Pato..............4 As above. Brownhill.......4 Anonymous all game. Pack..............4 Never got us driving forward and passing and general play very poor. Eliasson.........6 His crosses are decent but he is so lightweight and easily brushed off the ball. Always seems to use his hands when he makes a tackle. Fammy..........5 Not a good game but why is he always back in our box defending then expected to be the outball when we clear it. Clears everything in our box but rarely wins a header in the opponents half. Subs all 5 although KP did create a chance that I thought MP should have scored from. coaching Staff...4 Running out of ideas and when to utilise the bench. "Running out of ideas "; surely you meant "run out of ideas " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 21 minutes ago, CityCiderEd said: Marinovic...4 The early boob clearly unsettled him and he didn't recover. Harsh, thought he made 3 or 4 good saves, but his bad kicking in the speedy championship negated that. 6/10 for me. Would’ve played Max though. Hunt..............5 Just about okay A spark for 20 minutes in first half, defended well in the main 6/10 Kalas.............6 Tidy and defended well Webster.........7 Won most headers and tried to bring the ball out but lack of movement upfront meant he ended up going wide. Kelly...............7 Tried to clear with the wrong foot for the og but otherwise played well Yep, shaded Webster for MOTM for me...although maybe Webster getting the goal means he shaded it over Lloyd. Weimann.......4 No threat and rarely in the game. Same comment as Hunt 6/10 Pato..............4 As above. Brownhill.......4 Anonymous all game. Pack..............4 Never got us driving forward and passing and general play very poor. Eliasson.........6 His crosses are decent but he is so lightweight and easily brushed off the ball. Always seems to use his hands when he makes a tackle. Fammy..........5 Not a good game but why is he always back in our box defending then expected to be the outball when we clear it. Clears everything in our box but rarely Thought he was on his toes tonight and looked good first half, but little second half. wins a header in the opponents half. Subs all 5 although KP did create a chance that I thought MP should have scored from. coaching Staff...4 Running out of ideas and when to utilise the bench. Ultimately I don’t really disagree, just being a bit more generous on a couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Dave, I respect your opinion but..really? Marinovics saves were ones I’d expect any semi competent L1/L2 keeper to make. Nothing he did was undoubtedly champ standard so to say he was 6/10 at this level (and hence better than average) is bizarre. The kicking was dire - other than poor direction, barely made halfway. The control was dire. The lack of ability on the ball and skittishness meant our normal game of rotating to the GK couldn’t be played, and the lack of confidence in him to deal with the ball meant we dropped deep and surrendered space. 3 or 4 expected (not exceptional or above average) saves when you allay with the above makes him a 2-3 out of 10 IMO - and I don’t criticise quickly. As I said in another thread, I get why LJ played him in view of NMs absence. But he’s a pro - and in no way was he 6/10 tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Dave, I respect your opinion but..really? Marinovics saves were ones I’d expect any semi competent L1/L2 keeper to make. Nothing he did was undoubtedly champ standard so to say he was 6/10 at this level (and hence better than average) is bizarre. The kicking was dire - other than poor direction, barely made halfway. The control was dire. The lack of ability on the ball and skittishness meant our normal game of rotating to the GK couldn’t be played, and the lack of confidence in him to deal with the ball meant we dropped deep and surrendered space. 3 or 4 expected (not exceptional or above average) saves when you allay with the above makes him a 2-3 out of 10 IMO - and I don’t criticise quickly. As I said in another thread, I get why LJ played him in view of NMs absence. But he’s a pro - and in no way was he 6/10 tonight. Ok, ignore his kicking....what would you have given him? Maybe my 6 is too high, but I think people are just focusing on his kicking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Ok, ignore his kicking....what would you have given him? Maybe my 6 is too high, but I think people are just focusing on his kicking. Genuinely, ignoring his kicking (which has to come into the whole), he was a 4 at best. Reasons are above - you can’t just look at him in a bubble, but also look at the team impact. So when I add the poor kicking, he’s a 2-3. I can’t remember grading that low for some time, but it was deserved - he looked 5-6 levels out of his depth, and really impacted the team shape. Again, I get why LJ played him but it was an awful call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Genuinely, ignoring his kicking (which has to come into the whole), he was a 4 at best. Reasons are above - you can’t just look at him in a bubble, but also look at the team impact. So when I add the poor kicking, he’s a 2-3. I can’t remember grading that low for some time, but it was deserved - he looked 5-6 levels out of his depth, and really impacted the team shape. Again, I get why LJ played him but it was an awful call. Would also add I can’t remember him claiming a cross. Was glued to his line in most cases. The only thing he gets a semi pass on is making the (expected) saves. All else was well below average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 Personally I’d go : Marinovic 3 Hunt 5 Kalas 7 Webster 6 Kelly 7 Weimann 2 Brownhill 3 Pack 6 Eliason 5 Paterson 2 Diedhiou 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Harry said: Personally I’d go : Marinovic 3 Hunt 5 Kalas 7 Webster 6 Kelly 7 Weimann 2 Brownhill 3 Pack 6 Eliason 5 Paterson 2 Diedhiou 4 Pack higher than eliasson? Bar that I'd agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, JBFC II said: Pack higher than eliasson? Bar that I'd agree Yep. Whilst Eliasson has a good delivery, that’s all he offered. I’d wager that he lost the ball over 60% of the time he got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Harry said: Yep. Whilst Eliasson has a good delivery, that’s all he offered. I’d wager that he lost the ball over 60% of the time he got it. I'd argue pack was worse than that, especially when he looked to go forward. Eliasson was our only attacking threat tonight, and although that wasn't exactly a hard accolade, he did put in a decent shift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, JBFC II said: I'd argue pack was worse than that, especially when he looked to go forward. Eliasson was our only attacking threat tonight, and although that wasn't exactly a hard accolade, he did put in a decent shift Go on then, I’ll give Eliasson 6 as well. I guess he was the only potential creative option we had tonight as no one else stepped to that plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, CityCiderEd said: Marinovic...4 The early boob clearly unsettled him and he didn't recover. Hunt..............5 Just about okay Kalas.............6 Tidy and defended well Webster.........7 Won most headers and tried to bring the ball out but lack of movement upfront meant he ended up going wide. Kelly...............7 Tried to clear with the wrong foot for the og but otherwise played well Weimann.......4 No threat and rarely in the game. Pato..............4 As above. Brownhill.......4 Anonymous all game. Pack..............4 Never got us driving forward and passing and general play very poor. Eliasson.........6 His crosses are decent but he is so lightweight and easily brushed off the ball. Always seems to use his hands when he makes a tackle. Fammy..........5 Not a good game but why is he always back in our box defending then expected to be the outball when we clear it. Clears everything in our box but rarely wins a header in the opponents half. Subs all 5 although KP did create a chance that I thought MP should have scored from. coaching Staff...4 Running out of ideas and when to utilise the bench. Far too kind to Kelly and Diedhiou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 18 minutes ago, Harry said: Yep. Whilst Eliasson has a good delivery, that’s all he offered. I’d wager that he lost the ball over 60% of the time he got it. Delivery tends to create goals though. I'm happy for him to be erratic as long as he creates. Let others keep possesion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, Harry said: Yep. Whilst Eliasson has a good delivery, that’s all he offered. I’d wager that he lost the ball over 60% of the time he got it. Eliasson gets poor service, he gets passes usually from Pack or Paterson when he is surrounded. Of course he did have an assist for the goal, what did Pack, Paterson, Diedhiou do and ODowda and Taylor when they came on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BessexRED Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 Marinovic - 3 Hunt - 7 Webster - 6 Kalas - 7 Kelly - 6 Pack - 5 Brownhill - 5 Paterson - 4 Eliasson - 6 Weimann - 5 Diedhiou - 6 Hunt my MOM, Kelly a 6 despite the own goal and what followed after as he was steady up until it. Still maintain that he isn’t a left back though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 44 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Genuinely, ignoring his kicking (which has to come into the whole), he was a 4 at best. Reasons are above - you can’t just look at him in a bubble, but also look at the team impact. So when I add the poor kicking, he’s a 2-3. I can’t remember grading that low for some time, but it was deserved - he looked 5-6 levels out of his depth, and really impacted the team shape. Again, I get why LJ played him but it was an awful call. More worrying is that his performance in training cannot possibly have been much different so why was he moved up the pecking order? By his performance tonight he should be behind our 2 youth keepers! but then that’s LJ for you - baffling! whats the answer? Only the toes knows! who remembers where that come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winsaw Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 Marinovic 2 Hunt 6 Kalas 7 Webster 7 Kelly 6 Weimann 3 Brownhill 3 Pack 5 Eliason 5 Paterson 2 Diedhiou 6 Keeper shocking Defense where ok all would have been 7 where it not for some silly mistakes by the wide men Midfield sadly they all had a bad day Diedhiou worked hard but didn't see much of the ball thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 We were absolutely woeful nothing else to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 MOTM Kalas. Not that that is saying much. Worse offender - Patto. Literally did nothing. Fell over. Gave the ball away. Got outmuscled constantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Brady Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 7 hours ago, Harry said: Personally I’d go : Marinovic 3 Hunt 5 Kalas 7 Webster 6 Kelly 7 Weimann 2 Brownhill 3 Pack 6 Eliason 5 Paterson 2 Diedhiou 4 Angry fans, angry ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 Marinovic 2 - caught the ball low, punched behind him, punched balls he should have caught & then there’s his touch! Hunt 5 - not great, but not awful. Look forward to seeing him back in form. Webster 5 - not his composed normal self. I wonder how much this was due to keeper. Kalas 6 - a decent enough night. Kelly 7 - the best of a bad bunch, but looked good going forward. Pack 4 - minimal passes and lost the ball too much. Brownhill 3 - abysmal showing. Can’t think of a single thing he did. Eliasson 5 - really really weak on the ball, like a small child. But maintains good crossing ability. Paterson 2 - the only player to rival the goalkeeper. Slipped up all over the pitch and guaranteed to give the ball away at every opportunity. Still... he’s first name on the team sheet. Weimann 4 - though he tried hard, got into a couple of good positions, but like the rest, poor Diedhou 5 - he tries hard but remains isolated. Johnson 0 - got home tactics wrong again. And waited to see if he could fluke his way out of it until the 73rd minute. Utter disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 Marinovic - 4 Hunt - 4 Webster - 5 Kalas - 5 Kelly - 5 Pack - 4 Brownhill - 4 Paterson - 1 Eliasson - 6 Weimann - 1 Diedhiou - 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 7 hours ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Far too kind to Kelly and Diedhiou. Kelly played alright tonight, if he didn’t make that block at the start then we would’ve lost the game and what was Diédhiou supposed to do with the abysmal service he got. 7 hours ago, Harry said: Personally I’d go : Marinovic 3 Hunt 5 Kalas 7 Webster 6 Kelly 7 Weimann 2 Brownhill 3 Pack 6 Eliason 5 Paterson 2 Diedhiou 4 Very harsh on Diédhiou and Marinovic. The keeper made some great saves and although his kicking wasn’t great he hasn’t played for a while so he’s quite rusty. Diédhiou did well considering he had next to no service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: Would also add I can’t remember him claiming a cross. Was glued to his line in most cases. The only thing he gets a semi pass on is making the (expected) saves. All else was well below average. I agree. The fact that Ipswich didn’t score a goal for themselves was down to them being poor rather than half decent goalkeeping. He didn’t command his area, everything was a scramble and I couldn’t make out if he was catching or punching half the time. Then when were were on the attack he strayed miles up the pitch, I even wondered if he was short sighted and I really thought he was going to be lobbed a couple of times. 3 out of 5 in the defence were changed last night, with one of them being a keeper who the players looked like they had no understanding with. Add to that a couple of other changes and there were too many, or not the right ones maybe. Weimann looked as poor as I’ve ever seen him, he played his best football with Taylor when Diedhiou was suspended. If LJ really wanted to do something different I would have tried that, get the best out of both players as right now neither as functioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, Flint says No said: Kelly played alright tonight, if he didn’t make that block at the start then we would’ve lost the game and what was Diédhiou supposed to do with the abysmal service he got. Very harsh on Diédhiou and Marinovic. The keeper made some great saves and although his kicking wasn’t great he hasn’t played for a while so he’s quite rusty. Diédhiou did well considering he had next to no service Being a keeper is primarily about not making mistakes. Making good saves is a bonus but only if ontop of a solid game. Marinovic made so many mistakes it was untrue. I’d be happy for us to let him free transfer to the blue few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Being a keeper is primarily about not making mistakes. Making good saves is a bonus but only if ontop of a solid game. Marinovic made so many mistakes it was untrue. I’d be happy for us to let him free transfer to the blue few. Granted he didn’t have the best of debuts. But why write him off after one game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Flint says No said: Granted he didn’t have the best of debuts. But why write him off after one game? I’d like not to. I really would. But I’d instantly be bricking it the moment I see his name on the team sheet again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I’d like not to. I really would. But I’d instantly be bricking it the moment I see his name on the team sheet again! Very true but I remember Webster not playing too well on his debut and everyone laying in to him on here and look how that’s gone since. He could turn in to prime Casillas next game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Flint says No said: Granted he didn’t have the best of debuts. But why write him off after one game? If you were Chris Wilder watching the video of that you would be hoping Marinovic starts for us at Bramhall Lane. As others have said his rustiness (being kind) or lack of ability (being harsh) with the ball at his feet fundamentally affected the way we played. Our back four ended up kicking balls into touch rather than play back like they normally do. At Championship level shot stopping is a basic requirement but you also have to be able to play out and help the back four on crosses both of which he failed abysmally on last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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