1960maaan Posted March 16, 2019 Report Share Posted March 16, 2019 Now I had my ideas how VAR was supposed to work, in my head it was an assistant and not to make decisions. The Ref sent off a Utd player for a challenge, may have been a little harsh , but it's an opinion call. VAR gets involved , now I said to the Mrs that if they believe it was wrong, they get the Ref to look on the pitch side monitor and if he believes he made the wrong call he can change it. I thought the idea was that the game is Reffed by one man and just assisted by VAR. This time they said it was only a booking, after those in the video room looked at it several times, and the Ref changed his decision. Anyone know if this is normal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 16, 2019 Report Share Posted March 16, 2019 The other part being is a judgement call a 'clear and obvious' error? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted March 16, 2019 Report Share Posted March 16, 2019 I think we all get fed up with seeing players getting in the ref’s face when a decision goes against them. This scenario is just going to make it worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted March 16, 2019 Report Share Posted March 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said: I think we all get fed up with seeing players getting in the ref’s face when a decision goes against them. This scenario is just going to make it worse. Indeed. It will open up the flood gates, next season will be a nightmare. Oh by the way how good were Wolves tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted March 16, 2019 Report Share Posted March 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: Now I had my ideas how VAR was supposed to work, in my head it was an assistant and not to make decisions. The Ref sent off a Utd player for a challenge, may have been a little harsh , but it's an opinion call. VAR gets involved , now I said to the Mrs that if they believe it was wrong, they get the Ref to look on the pitch side monitor and if he believes he made the wrong call he can change it. I thought the idea was that the game is Reffed by one man and just assisted by VAR. This time they said it was only a booking, after those in the video room looked at it several times, and the Ref changed his decision. Anyone know if this is normal? VAR isn’t up to scratch,if the ref has made a decision and then is forced to watch it in slow mo where the cleanest of tackles can be made to look like a foul then the bloke doesn’t stand a chance in all honesty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted March 16, 2019 Report Share Posted March 16, 2019 Football seems to be getting more unwatchable every year.Maybe just me but so many things get under my skin now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 16, 2019 Report Share Posted March 16, 2019 I thought the original decision was wrong but can see why it was given and many will probably think it was correct. It certainly wasn't sufficiently wrong for it to be overturned without him looking at it again himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2019 22 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: VAR isn’t up to scratch,if the ref has made a decision and then is forced to watch it in slow mo where the cleanest of tackles can be made to look like a foul then the bloke doesn’t stand a chance in all honesty This is part of my point, he, the Ref , didn't get to look at it again. The guys in the little room surrounded by Tv's over ruled his decision, if he would have looked at it , at least there is consistency . As it was another guy, with differing opinions got to make the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 16, 2019 Report Share Posted March 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: This is part of my point, he, the Ref , didn't get to look at it again. The guys in the little room surrounded by Tv's over ruled his decision, if he would have looked at it , at least there is consistency . As it was another guy, with differing opinions got to make the call. Usually if it's an obvious call, ie clear offside, foul etc he'll take their word for it. That tonight is an example of one that you'd expect him to check again himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted March 16, 2019 Report Share Posted March 16, 2019 58 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said: I think we all get fed up with seeing players getting in the ref’s face when a decision goes against them. This scenario is just going to make it worse. Not if harassing the ref gets you an automatic yellow it won't... I do think the var should be there as an aid for the ref (and maybe his assistants) to pause and take a second look at it, not to overrule the ref … his decisions should and must remain final. Some you win some you lose.. so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampy Posted March 16, 2019 Report Share Posted March 16, 2019 who not just follow what rugby does ... big screens show the replay that players, officials and spectators can all watch together? ditto tennis, cricket, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, swampy said: who not just follow what rugby does ... big screens show the replay that players, officials and spectators can all watch together? ditto tennis, cricket, etc. Christ then there will be scenes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC11 Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 2 hours ago, hodge said: The other part being is a judgement call a 'clear and obvious' error? Exactly this. If how they are using VAR at present then football is well and truly gone, that decision with Lindelof tonight was absolutely ridiculous, some saw it as a red some didn’t, the Lino who was closest told the ref he saw it as red, Lindelof shown the red, then comes the farce, if as @hodge and FIFA/UEFA say it’s only to be used in ‘clear and obvious errors’ then how come it takes 2/3mins and watching 10 replays to come to a decision? May aswell just do away with the officials if that’s how it’s going to be used! Also anyone notice during the CL games that they seem to review VAR after every goal that is scored, seems to me that they are just looking for any infringement they can to disallow a goal so they can justify it? VAR can do one imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 3 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said: Christ then there will be scenes Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Neo said: Why? Because haven’t you heard football fans can’t behave themselves by all accounts while rugby fans are saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 2 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said: Because haven’t you heard football fans can’t behave themselves by all accounts while rugby fans are saints I dont think they are saints but fans can usually sit together without any fuss unlike football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City exile 79 Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 I think in rugby the ref has to ask for var assistance. Why sometimes there’s controversy when they don’t. If it can’t be used in all games in a competition it shouldn’t be used at all. Our game against wolves and the Swansea game just 2 off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 6 hours ago, BCFC11 said: Exactly this. If how they are using VAR at present then football is well and truly gone, that decision with Lindelof tonight was absolutely ridiculous, some saw it as a red some didn’t, the Lino who was closest told the ref he saw it as red, Lindelof shown the red, then comes the farce, if as @hodge and FIFA/UEFA say it’s only to be used in ‘clear and obvious errors’ then how come it takes 2/3mins and watching 10 replays to come to a decision? May aswell just do away with the officials if that’s how it’s going to be used! Also anyone notice during the CL games that they seem to review VAR after every goal that is scored, seems to me that they are just looking for any infringement they can to disallow a goal so they can justify it? VAR can do one imo. Was that the same linesman that had around 200 people from the wolves bench surround him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 9 hours ago, The Gasbuster said: I think we all get fed up with seeing players getting in the ref’s face when a decision goes against them. This scenario is just going to make it worse. Actually think it might help in that - the decision is checked ‘upstairs’ by someone else. Moaning at the ref isn’t going to impact the decision by VAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Murraysrightplum said: Actually think it might help in that - the decision is checked ‘upstairs’ by someone else. Moaning at the ref isn’t going to impact the decision by VAR I agree with what you are saying. However, I meant that the players will be asking for VAR reviews most (if not all) the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stortz Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 I'm with the Bayern fans on this one- inevitably they've been charged by UEFA. I absolutely hate the way it's being used for the benefit of the TV viewers and to the detriment of those in the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hertsexile Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 VAR can be of benefit to football by exposing cheats ie diving, handball etcBut it has to be available to all unlike this years FA cup which has only benefited premiership teams two who remain in the competition would be out if there had been a level playing field. We can’t have one rule for one and one for another. The governing bodies have to consistent but we all now that will only happen in our dreams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, hertsexile said: VAR can be of benefit to football by exposing cheats ie diving, handball etcBut it has to be available to all unlike this years FA cup which has only benefited premiership teams two who remain in the competition would be out if there had been a level playing field. We can’t have one rule for one and one for another. The governing bodies have to consistent but we all now that will only happen in our dreams Said many times, VAR should be all or no one ! It's like saying certain rules only apply in certain games. Yes VAR can be a benefit for the game, it has to be used quicker , and more evenly. Clear and obvious shouldn't take 15 viewings , if it does it's not clear and obvious FFS. I thought the sending off was wrong, that said when shown the footage VAR would have seen I could see why the Ref thought it was worth a Red. Bizarre that they didn't get the Ref to look at his own decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, hertsexile said: VAR can be of benefit to football by exposing cheats ie diving, handball etcBut it has to be available to all unlike this years FA cup which has only benefited premiership teams two who remain in the competition would be out if there had been a level playing field. We can’t have one rule for one and one for another. The governing bodies have to consistent but we all now that will only happen in our dreams VAR could be a great weapon against "gamesmanship". I would love to see it used for that but only retrospectivly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Stortz said: I'm with the Bayern fans on this one- inevitably they've been charged by UEFA. I absolutely hate the way it's being used for the benefit of the TV viewers and to the detriment of those in the stadium. Why would Bayern Munich fans write banners in English, not German...?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: Why would Bayern Munich fans write banners in English, not German...?! So they can get them past the German stewards and turnstile operators telling them it says Happy Birthday to My Mum in Rochdale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, handsofclay said: So they can get them past the German stewards and turnstile operators telling them it says Happy Birthday to My Mum in Rochdale. I’m not a linguist but I’m pretty sure that the ‘f’ word is internationally understood! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 So 3 of 4 quarter finals have VAR incidents, Brighton have a good goal disallowed in the last minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Shelton Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 But if Var was used it couldn't have been a goal because the defenders stop when they see the flag go up? Confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 "Stadium X doesn't have VAR". What a load of tosh at Swansea. Surely an "expert" can see that same images as we can and make a sensible decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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