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1 hour ago, RedDave said:

In another thread you said you trained with footballers unpaid. Interesting you are now saying you were a pro 

Yes I did and other sports, (unpaid), I was joking about a being a professional footballer but yes to being a professional sportsman in another field (which I respectfully keep private). When I mean unpaid, i taught for nothing.

i trained everyday 2-4 hrs and go to work, am retired now but still train everyday providing my joints let me.

i think the joke as slightly back fired on me.

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3 hours ago, Owl Visiting said:

Kitson reckons in one of his Secret Footballer books that he's had plenty of teammates that would walk away from the game if they could earn the same amount of money doing something else.

Found the bit, he has a lot to say on the issue through most of the book. Worth a read, though I don't think he comes across as a very likable guy. 

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3 hours ago, cider-manc said:

Went to high school with a lad who went pro and big things were expected of him.

But the truth was he hated playing football proffesionally. He hated missing out on seeing his friends on a friday night. He hated being told what to eat. He hated missing christmas with his family. He hated not being able to go on lads holidays as he could only go on certain dates etc it wasn't that he didn’t like football... More that he prefered the things football was causing him to miss. 

Whilst he accepted he was in a position that lots of young lads would kill for...  He didn’t see the point earning lots of money if you can't spend it how you want to. He basically missed being young and carefree with his mates and felt a little bit lonely. But because of the potential money involved he didn’t feel he could walk away. He hated that as well.

As it turned out a series of injuries ended his potential career before he was 21 and the decision was made for him. Hes a sparky now and never been happier.

Similar story of a chap I know. Used to play football on the Downs and was head hunted by a number of pro clubs back in the 90s. He said no to which none of us could understand. He explained he enjoyed his Saturdays playing for fun and having a few pints afterwards. He didn't want it to get any more serious than that. Fair play I say.

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2 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

I was responding to the other tool who was just chatting shite. 

I know the point that you were making, although in a lot of ways, the jobs you used as examples are far easier that that of being a top level professional footballer. 

Different, of course, and not as well rewarded, but I think people overlook the all consuming dedication, discipline and commitment that it takes to get to that level of the game. No wonder it can lose its romance, for some. 

Sorry BS3 misunderstood you

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2 hours ago, Cowshed said:

Hardwork beats talent when talent doesn't work, and another 1% talent 99% hardwork. Two lines from coaching courses and seemingly every second book on coaching.

Its hard to articulate what natural talent is beyond it is possible to identify genetic inheritance that influence sporting performance . Genetic inheritance that frequently large proportions of the populace possess.

So the line football is more about talent than hard work IS incorrect. Football is a sport that is highly neurological, muscle memory etc is not there at birth and its created by intense, integrated practice leading to processes such as myelination. Unlike other sports football is a sport of late development - the training, and how much, and the how you do it influences what you later become. Even footballers reflexes and ability to see (passes) and react unlike the rest of us is influenced by training - Players brains again alter the more they train. 

Nobody has left the womb able to do step overs, kick ups .. No scientist has ever been able to identify that talent gene.

I don't agree if you don't have talent natural,  athleticism, coordination in the first place then you can work as hard as you like but you will never make it , Or else most of us fans would have made it. It is the sports gene you need and you need this first before any thing else and then luck and hard work.

 

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8 minutes ago, When the river runs said:

I don't agree if you don't have talent natural,  athleticism, coordination in the first place then you can work as hard as you like but you will never make it , Or else most of us fans would have made it. It is the sports gene you need and you need this first before any thing else and then luck and hard work.

 

Of course you need talent, no doubt. But I bet you the vast majority of fans would never actually demonstrate and retain the work ethic and dedication needed to be a pro footballer. 

I bet we’d all say we would, but would we. Really..?! I don’t think that most would hack it. 

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2 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Of course you need talent, no doubt. But I bet you the vast majority of fans would never actually demonstrate and retain the work ethic and dedication needed to be a pro footballer. 

I bet we’d all say we would, but would we. Really..?! I don’t think that most 

I think it's hard to make it as a footballer but I don't think the job would be hard,  beats working on a building site in winter.

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5 minutes ago, When the river runs said:

I think it's hard to make it as a footballer but I don't think the job would be hard,  beats working on a building site in winter.

I think there’s more to it than people choose to adknowlege though. 

Having your diet strictly monitored.  Strictly limiting your alcohol intake. Even being told when it’s ok (or not ok) to have sex! Weekends away from your kids. The pressures that being a public figure out on your relationships. Specialist training and injury rehab. 

Keeping in condition whilst not getting game time. Having curfews and managing your public appearance under scrutiny. Having thousands of people jeering if you mis place a pass. 

It’s really not just a case of having a kick about for a couple of hours a day..! 

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5 minutes ago, When the river runs said:

I don't agree if you don't have talent natural,  athleticism, coordination in the first place then you can work as hard as you like but you will never make it , Or else most of us fans would have made it. It is the sports gene you need and you need this first before any thing else and then luck and hard work.

 

What sports gene? What is it? What does it do? 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

I think there’s more to it than people choose to adknowlege though. 

Having your diet strictly monitored.  Strictly limiting your alcohol intake. Even being told when it’s ok (or not ok) to have sex! Weekends away from your kids. The pressures that being a public figure out on your relationships. Specialist training and injury rehab. 

Keeping in condition whilst not getting game time. Having curfews and managing your public appearance under scrutiny. Having thousands of people jeering if you mis place a pass. 

It’s really not just a case of having a kick about for a couple of hours a day..! 

Me personally I would love all of that bar them telling me when I can have sex and being a public figure.

Doubt they take any notice of the sex bans. Do not wax the dolphin before a match

They've basically got they're own health monitored by experts clean meals made tasty sounds brilliant to me loads of money and a lot of free time, bar every other Saturday when they've got an away game.

Although I am older now so probably would have struggled with this in my early twenties. I suppose I'm forgetting that they are all so young.

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2 minutes ago, When the river runs said:

Me personally I would love all of that bar them telling me when I can have sex and being a public figure.

Doubt they take any notice of the sex bans. Do not wax the dolphin before a match

They've basically got they're own health monitored by experts clean meals made tasty sounds brilliant to me loads of money and a lot of free time, bar every other Saturday when they've got an away game.

Although I am older now so probably would have struggled with this in my early twenties. I suppose I'm forgetting that they are all so young.

I think that’s a key point too, the age. 

You largely need to forsake your social life, be in bed by certain times, watch what you consume. 

It sounds easy enough, but it’s really not. No matter how big the potential rewards. 

It takes a dedication that most people simply can’t maintain. 

For those that can, coupled with talent and hard work, of course, the rewards can be phenomenal. 

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3 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

What sports gene? What is it? What does it do? 

 

 

 

I'm never gonna sprint as fast as Usain bolt or run a half marathon like Mo , no matter how much training I do. I could put the magic 10, 000 hours of training in and be county level possibly, however I  will never be elite. They could rock up with no training and beat most people

Go back to school I  P.E and you know who's got it and who hasn't same with education.

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56 minutes ago, When the river runs said:

I'm never gonna sprint as fast as Usain bolt or run a half marathon like Mo , no matter how much training I do. I could put the magic 10, 000 hours of training in and be county level possibly, however I  will never be elite. They could rock up with no training and beat most people

Go back to school I  P.E and you know who's got it and who hasn't same with education.

That is not an answer to the questions.

Usain Bolt possesses what is known at the Sprint gene - ACTN3 -R and so do tens of millions of others. Mo Farah possesses the gene ACTN3 -X (I think). And so do tens of millions of others - Millions and millions black and non white. African, Asian. European … The Jamaicans dna code is located around the World in particular West Africa and ? No medals ceremonies there.

So obviously there are complex factors at work. But they are runners and it is possible to genetically rule out some individuals for particular sports.

To football .. 10000 hours rule … It is also not about hours its about intensity and internalising those hours into focussed training. The overwhelming majority of humans beings do NOT have the mindset to deal with the psychological challenges. 

You didn't do 10,000 hours did you? Do you know who did 5000 well before he was ten? Messi. That is a superhuman attitude to practice for a child x a intense and enlightened pathway to his sport 1% talent 99% hard work. 

Football players are biologically diverse. Peter Crouch plays pro football so did Lee Johnson. 

In footballs case there is no gene that affects how technical ability (skill) is formed. 

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

That is not an answer to the questions.

Usain Bolt possesses what is known at the Sprint gene - ACTN3 -R and so do tens of millions of others. Mo Farah possesses the gene ACTN3 -X (I think). And so do tens of millions of others - Millions and millions black and non white. African, Asian. European … The Jamaicans dna code is located around the World in particular West Africa and ? No medals ceremonies there.

So obviously there are complex factors at work. But they are runners and it is possible to genetically rule out some individuals for particular sports.

To football .. 10000 hours rule … It is also not about hours its about intensity and internalising those hours into focussed training. The overwhelming majority of humans beings do NOT have the mindset to deal with the psychological challenges. 

You didn't do 10,000 hours did you? Do you know who did 5000 well before he was ten? Messi. That is a superhuman attitude to practice for a child x a intense and enlightened pathway to his sport 1% talent 99% hard work. 

Football players are biologically diverse. Peter Crouch plays pro football so did Lee Johnson. 

In footballs case there is no gene that affects how technical ability (skill) is formed. 

 

 

You're obviously an educated man and have read up on this subject but I'm going to have to disagree with you.

I'm not sure how many hours I trained as I didn't count but that's more or less all I used to do, so it would have been a lot.

Talent first work ethic second.

Do you think Tomlin ever had a fantastic work ethic ? More likely to be a lot of talent .I bet I'm as fit as him now.

Messi's is a natural talent who has worked hard. Look at the footage of him when he is young. He's not the only one who works hard though .

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2 minutes ago, When the river runs said:

You're obviously an educated man and have read up on this subject but I'm going to have to disagree with you.

I'm not sure how many hours I trained as I didn't count but that's more or less all I used to do, so it would have been a lot.

 

Do you think Tomlin ever had a fantastic work ethic ? More likely to be a lot of talent .I bet I'm as fit as him now.

Messi's is a natural talent who has worked hard. Look at the footage of him when he is young. He's not the only one who works hard though .

Do you think Tomlin ever had a fantastic work ethic ? More likely to be a lot of talent .I bet I'm as fit as him now.

Yes he would have to have a work ethic (growth mindset) .To attain that level of skill you have to work at it. That is a fact. Really it is if you understand how technique is created. It is created by repetition creating neural pathways - No repetition, no pathways no skill you are the person who has never touched ball. The more you practice the stronger the pathway. Footballers get so good at some tasks it becomes unconscious where they react in milliseconds as the general populace do when driving.  

His fitness is a differing point to skill. Its a different type of work. 

Messi's is a natural talent who has worked hard. Look at the footage of him when he is young. He's not the only one who works hard though .

I used Messi as an example of 1% talent 99% hard work. His physical size has not limited him. His drive lead him to live a life from infancy (really) dedicated to football that was highly abnormal. 

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11 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

Do you think Tomlin ever had a fantastic work ethic ? More likely to be a lot of talent .I bet I'm as fit as him now.

Yes he would have to have a work ethic (growth mindset) .To attain that level of skill you have to work at it. That is a fact. Really it is if you understand how technique is created. It is created by repetition creating neural pathways - No repetition, no pathways no skill you are the person who has never touched ball. The more you practice the stronger the pathway. Footballers get so good at some tasks it becomes unconscious where they react in milliseconds as the general populace do when driving.  

His fitness is a differing point to skill. Its a different type of work. 

Messi's is a natural talent who has worked hard. Look at the footage of him when he is young. He's not the only one who works hard though .

I used Messi as an example of 1% talent 99% hard work. His physical size has not limited him. His drive lead him to live a life from infancy (really) dedicated to football that was highly abnormal. 

Check out Raheem sterlings son and explain that one for me then ?

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5 hours ago, Moments of Pleasure said:

He must've radiated pure joy and delight, then, playing for Wales (imagine him and Giggs in the dressing room). Born, as he was, in Burton - upon - Trent. Seems odd, signing up for more - over time, I suppose - of this job he didn't like playing. Wales must pay a good wedge, then?

Did one single person enjoy watching him play? Did SL enjoy paying him for nothing. Pure stupidity.

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6 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

I was responding to the other tool who was just chatting shite. 

I know the point that you were making, although in a lot of ways, the jobs you used as examples are far easier that that of being a top level professional footballer. 

Different, of course, and not as well rewarded, but I think people overlook the all consuming dedication, discipline and commitment that it takes to get to that level of the game. No wonder it can lose its romance, for some. 

Home at 2pm, just in time for 5 hours on the XBox.

All those University grads with 3/4/5/6/7 years of higher education and exams now working endless hours to pay off debts wondering if they'll ever afford a house. All those on a minimum wage crying themselves to sleep 'cause they can't afford to feed their children properly. Don't know how easy they've got it. 

Top level footballers have it easy. Simple ?

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12 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

Home at 2pm, just in time for 5 hours on the XBox.

All those University grads with 3/4/5/6/7 years of higher education and exams now working endless hours to pay off debts wondering if they'll ever afford a house. All those on a minimum wage crying themselves to sleep 'cause they can't afford to feed their children properly. Don't know how easy they've got it. 

Top level footballers have it easy. Simple ?

I said the jobs were probably easier, not that life in general was easier for them. 

 

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19 minutes ago, When the river runs said:

Check out Raheem sterlings son and explain that one for me then ?

A infant with a high level of physical literacy smacking a football. Not dissimilar to other infants but who do not have the same role models to encourage them to do so, and the chance - A bloody great kitchen.

One lucky kid.

 

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It’s a lot of unrest, time away from family and strict lifestyle being a footballer. 

He has spent the best years of his life travelling the world with wales u16’s spending weeks away from his family to sometimes play 45 mins of football. 

Hes played for clubs all over the country and once settled had to pack up and relocate as he’d been transferred. Yes the pays good but it’s not as glammed up as everyone would think. 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Olé said:

Between Nyatanga deciding to retire from football and Fontaine turning to acoustic guitar-based ballads, seems to me we should probably check on anyone else who was playing in defence for Sean O'Driscoll when we got relegated. Has anyone heard from Matthew Bates or Brendan Moloney? Willing to bet one of them is currently living with a goat herder in the Andes.

My money`s on Brendan.

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If you are privileged or lucky to do a job you really really enjoy you are lucky indeed.

I changed my job aged 50 and was so lucky then to have 20 years of pure enjoyment from work. Prior to that I had a job that looked great to others but was highly stressful and I began to hate.  I know exactly where Nyatanga is coming from, and am pleased for him that he is now doing something he loved.

I am put in mind of a quotation from Queen Elizabeth I which addresses this issue, viz, 'To be a King and wear a crown is a thing more glorious to them that see it than it is pleasant to them that bear it.'

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