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Not for the first time there was violent scenes at Ashton Gate yesterday but yet again no arrest,.

Why are the Police reluctant to prosecute other sporting fans but go after football fans with such vigor with early morning raids and announcing it on social media with such glee like you’ve arrested Europe’s most wanted..

It is not my perception that football fans are treated differently to Rugby fans  but it is plain to see it is a matter of fact .

 

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4 minutes ago, archie andrews said:

Justifys all their "overtime" 

Cocked up big time swansea or was it a set up?

Fact is mate nearly all police that day were on normal working hours not overtime. 

Believe it or not do you actually think a police officer really wants to work overtime at a football match looking after the village idiots or rather be chilling out on a day off? 

Another fact. Avon and Somerset police currently owe their officers over 6,000 hours of unpaid overtime because there is no money to pay it so it's now being turned into time in lieu.

Another fact is although late on scene if they weren't there v Swansea , Bristol city would have been on every news bulletin in the country that day for a full scale riot. It was literally seconds away from happening. 

Out of interest @archie andrewswhat do you do for a job?

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30 minutes ago, bs3 said:

Not for the first time there was violent scenes at Ashton Gate yesterday but yet again no arrest,.

Why are the Police reluctant to prosecute other sporting fans but go after football fans with such vigor with early morning raids and announcing it on social media with such glee like you’ve arrested Europe’s most wanted..

It is not my perception that football fans are treated differently to Rugby fans  but it is plain to see it is a matter of fact .

 

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27 minutes ago, bs3 said:

Not for the first time there was violent scenes at Ashton Gate yesterday but yet again no arrest,.

Why are the Police reluctant to prosecute other sporting fans but go after football fans with such vigor with early morning raids and announcing it on social media with such glee like you’ve arrested Europe’s most wanted..

It is not my perception that football fans are treated differently to Rugby fans  but it is plain to see it is a matter of fact .

 

Probably because there was very few if any police at the game.

And if anything like the clip on this thread has been posted on social media they will be all over it. 

Get it in your head we are policed differently at football because unfortunately we are all treated like the minority of idiots who spoil it for everyone else. That behaviour generally doesn't happen at rugby. 

Surely you know that?

 

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Few questions for @Spoons

1) The hourly rate graphic that I posted on another thread. That presumably covers wages, NI, Pension etc- broadly accurate?

Given that the public holiday rate is higher- 40-50%- that's surely something overtime related (that part I mean).

2) On what grounds did the police consider it to be remotely sensible to have zero police in that corner from pre-game or at least minute one?

3) In your opinion did the escort of say 200 Swansea fans arriving late help or hinder the situation? Enflamed things IMO, got to question the thinking there.

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2, completely agree should have been Police in that corner. Call made by club safety officer as to how many police inside ground. This is cost related as only police inside the ground are charged for. 

But I agree it was a awful decision.

 

3, again agree. Escorts always seem to make things worse especially this one which started as two separate groups then ended up as one with between 500-800 in it. It completely Enflamed the situation. 

 

1, I will edit a response after looking at it properly.

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I get the fact as Football fans may well get treated differently than Rugby fans (and on some occasions wrongly), but there is obviously more violence at football - no good burying your head in the sand and just blame the Police for everything and saying there isn't. 

I know Julie is on here to try and liase with supporters, but it isn't her fault when the Police are in the wrong or doesn't make arrests. She can only say what she is told she can say I expect (rightly or wrongly that is how it is), and as this was only yesterday may be worth waiting a few days to see if anything happens at all regarding an arrest....

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24 minutes ago, Spoons said:

Probably because there was very few if any police at the game.

And if anything like the clip on this thread has been posted on social media they will be all over it. 

Get it in your head we are policed differently at football because unfortunately we are all treated like the minority of idiots who spoil it for everyone else. That behaviour generally doesn't happen at rugby. 

Surely you know that?

 

That’s not really true though isit? We are a million miles away from what used to happen at football every week, things like Swansea are very few and far between in this country nowadays, but when it does the media make out like all hell has broke loose, now I’m gonna hazard a guess that apart from Bristol Post this incident at the Rugby yesterday will be reported anywhere else unlike Swansea which was reported nationwide. Comparing the two incidents I’d say yesterday’s was even worse, yet apparently the bloke wasn’t even arrested?! I’ll give you another example, remember a couple of years back a university game played at AG, absolute carnage one witness said, kicked right off in the stands. Only media outlet to report it? Bristol Post. I think you’ll be suprised at what goes on at the Rugby which gets swept under the carpet. 

As for the police, not our fault they are under staffed or don’t get paid their overtime, the majority of police who are put on duty at football I have no sympathy for whatsoever,some of  the treatment of law abiding fans I’ve witnessed over the years have been nothing short of disgraceful, trying to provoke reactions which they normally do get so they can arrest and get a few more banning orders, does this happen at the Rugby? Of course it doesn’t. The ongoing legal battle that some of our supporters are going through at present with WMP, after being made to turn their coaches around for no reason whatsoever, would that happen at the Rugby, I think you know the answer. Now just because football USED to have a big hooligan problem years ago, doesn’t mean people who attend games today should be treated the way they do or treated different  to anyone else.

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1 hour ago, bs3 said:

Not for the first time there was violent scenes at Ashton Gate yesterday but yet again no arrest,.

Why are the Police reluctant to prosecute other sporting fans but go after football fans with such vigor with early morning raids and announcing it on social media with such glee like you’ve arrested Europe’s most wanted..

It is not my perception that football fans are treated differently to Rugby fans  but it is plain to see it is a matter of fact .

 

And what exactly does this have to do with @JulieH ?

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1 hour ago, Spoons said:

Fact is mate nearly all police that day were on normal working hours not overtime. 

Believe it or not do you actually think a police officer really wants to work overtime at a football match looking after the village idiots or rather be chilling out on a day off? 

Another fact. Avon and Somerset police currently owe their officers over 6,000 hours of unpaid overtime because there is no money to pay it so it's now being turned into time in lieu.

Another fact is although late on scene if they weren't there v Swansea , Bristol city would have been on every news bulletin in the country that day for a full scale riot. It was literally seconds away from happening. 

Out of interest @archie andrewswhat do you do for a job?

Just trying to find your answer to his question.

Must have missed it ?

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2 hours ago, Spoons said:

Probably because there was very few if any police at the game.

And if anything like the clip on this thread has been posted on social media they will be all over it. 

Get it in your head we are policed differently at football because unfortunately we are all treated like the minority of idiots who spoil it for everyone else. That behaviour generally doesn't happen at rugby. 

Surely you know that?

 

If I punched a women or anyone inside a football ground I would expect to be arrested and taken to court and possible prison sentence not merely ejected from the ground.

The law should apply equally to everyone in society, it however seem it’s not the case when it comes to football and Rugby. It blatantly obvious the law  is not being applied equally, surly you know?

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2 hours ago, Spoons said:

Fact is mate nearly all police that day were on normal working hours not overtime. 

Believe it or not do you actually think a police officer really wants to work overtime at a football match looking after the village idiots or rather be chilling out on a day off? 

Another fact. Avon and Somerset police currently owe their officers over 6,000 hours of unpaid overtime because there is no money to pay it so it's now being turned into time in lieu.

Another fact is although late on scene if they weren't there v Swansea , Bristol city would have been on every news bulletin in the country that day for a full scale riot. It was literally seconds away from happening. 

Out of interest @archie andrewswhat do you do for a job?

Retired fella.....so if so many ob were at Ashton gate that day who was doing the normal day to day police work?

 

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33 minutes ago, bs3 said:

Police liaison officer mate

For BCFC not everyone else. Would be good to get your intel correct instead of just pointing the finger at what is a soft target for you. Leave the woman alone FFS.

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1 hour ago, bs3 said:

If I punched a women or anyone inside a football ground I would expect to be arrested and taken to court and possible prison sentence not merely ejected from the ground.

The law should apply equally to everyone in society, it however seem it’s not the case when it comes to football and Rugby. It blatantly obvious the law  is not being applied equally, surly you know?

They don't tend to have police at rugby, certainly not club rugby in my experience- which makes the arrest on the day bit rather tricky!

However, it'll have been picked up on CCTV so there is no escaping it for the accused.

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54 minutes ago, Dollymarie said:

For Bristol City FC games, not Ashton Gate stadium. It’s Dave Storr you need to be aiming this enquiry at. 

https://www.linkedin.com/in/dave-storr-94133151

 

35 minutes ago, BigTone said:

For BCFC not everyone else. Would be good to get your intel correct instead of just pointing the finger at what is a soft target for you. Leave the woman alone FFS.

Doesn’t make it irrelevant though does it. @JulieH is BCFC liaison officer and the question is why are football fans seemingly more harshly targeted by the force as per other sports. It would have been just as pertinent a question if it happened at the cricket ground. 

I think it fair to ask are all crimes treated equally and will the man hours go into the disorder at rugby as did v Swansea. The answer, I hope - and expect - is an emphatic yet. Otherwise it is a matter of police bias v football fans and yes that bad isn’t relevant to the BCFC liaison officer.  

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41 minutes ago, 29AR said:

 

Doesn’t make it irrelevant though does it. @JulieH is BCFC liaison officer and the question is why are football fans seemingly more harshly targeted by the force as per other sports. It would have been just as pertinent a question if it happened at the cricket ground. 

I think it fair to ask are all crimes treated equally and will the man hours go into the disorder at rugby as did v Swansea. The answer, I hope - and expect - is an emphatic yet. Otherwise it is a matter of police bias v football fans and yes that bad isn’t relevant to the BCFC liaison officer.  

What disorder at the Rugby (and don’t get me wrong, I fully agree that crimes at either should be treated totally the same) would require hours of police man power..?

As far as I can tell, one idiot threw a punch, which didn’t lead to mass disorder, he was caught clearly of camera doing so and was ejected from the ground. 

Thats hardly going to take the same man power to investigate, as hundreds of people getting involved in mass confrontations and brawls inside & outside the stadium. 

I would be dissapointed if the Rugby fan in question wasn’t charged with whatever breach that comes under, but it’s hardly a compatible situation, as far as the need for police investigation is concerned. 

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I was told by a Judge in court that football fans are treated differently. 

She went on to explain in her closing speech that she, as a football supporter was subject to witnessing police using over zealous force, she had taken numbers and reported them, unfortunately without a just reply.

If a judge knows this, then there will be no change in their actions & treatment of football fans, "village idiot" or Judge, their actions will carry on regardless.

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13 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

What disorder at the Rugby (and don’t get me wrong, I fully agree that crimes at either should be treated totally the same) would require hours of police man power..?

As far as I can tell, one idiot threw a punch, which didn’t lead to mass disorder, he was caught clearly of camera doing so and was ejected from the ground. 

Thats hardly going to take the same man power to investigate, as hundreds of people getting involved in mass confrontations and brawls inside & outside the stadium. 

I would be dissapointed if the Rugby fan in question wasn’t charged with whatever breach that comes under, but it’s hardly a compatible situation, as far as the need for police investigation is concerned. 

A case of stories snowballing perhaps. I had heard yday evening that it was not an isolated incident. If that was wrong, then so was that slant on my post. 

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19 minutes ago, 29AR said:

A case of stories snowballing perhaps. I had heard yday evening that it was not an isolated incident. If that was wrong, then so was that slant on my post. 

I’ve no idea. There may have been other incidents. People seem to be comparing this one, alone, to the trouble Vs Swansea though, which is incomparable. 

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39 minutes ago, BS15_RED said:

What an absolute piece of shit of human being to punch a woman with young kids. I’m a big Rugby fan, but I’m sure if that happened at a football game, then the stewards getting involved would of been the least of his worries.

I'm not saying that it wasn’t the case, I don’t know... but where from that video does it show that it’s a woman that he’s punching at..? Or that she has kids with her..?

The most resonating thing for me is that everybody in the area doesn’t react or turn on him in anyway, so either there could be more to it, or that video doesn’t show what is being described by people. 

Like I said, it may be that he’s just randomly attacked a woman, sat with her kids, but then I’m just as shocked that everyone just sat there and watched, before politely standing up to let him move out along the row..!

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18 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

I'm not saying that it wasn’t the case, I don’t know... but where from that video does it show that it’s a woman that he’s punching at..? Or that she has kids with her..?

The most resonating thing for me is that everybody in the area doesn’t react or turn on him in anyway, so either there could be more to it, or that video doesn’t show what is being described by people. 

Like I said, it may be that he’s just randomly attacked a woman, sat with her kids, but then I’m just as shocked that everyone just sat there and watched, before politely standing up to let him move out along the row..!

http://m.rugbynetwork.net/boards/read/s100.htm?102,16543769

 

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1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said:

I’ve no idea. There may have been other incidents. People seem to be comparing this one, alone, to the trouble Vs Swansea though, which is incomparable. 

That’s fair and agree totally incomparable. I was coming from an understanding that there were incidents. That may have been incorrect in which case, an inappropriate slant but I stand by the point; a football match should be no more aggravating than another sporting event and it’s relevant to our liaison officer as a point in general. 

I’m not one of these posters who gives our Julie stick, acting as though they cruise in their cars windows down smoking J’s blaring ’fk da police’. 

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