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Whereas 99.9% idiots running on the pitch to celebrate a goal will be fine - it’s inevitable that someone will go a step further and taunt opposition keeper etc. So you have to deal with these people quickly - although not with a headlock as has been pointed out. 

All really goes back to the point that you stay off the pitch and celebrate - you’ll be just fine. 

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5 minutes ago, HIGHRIDGE BCFC said:

He's a City fan celebrating with the team. All the steward needed to do was grab him like he's trained to, as the other steward did and escort him off the field.

These no need to get him in a choke hold and drag him off by the throat!

He's an idiot and the reason why all fans are lumped in together regarding treatment from the authorities

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8 minutes ago, HIGHRIDGE BCFC said:

He's a City fan celebrating with the team. All the steward needed to do was grab him like he's trained to, as the other steward did and escort him off the field.

These no need to get him in a choke hold and drag him off by the throat!

He went on the pitch and broke the law, 

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12 minutes ago, Big C said:

He's an idiot and the reason why all fans are lumped in together regarding treatment from the authorities

I'm not debating he's an idiot, just that the steward should've acted with more restraint!

Let's leave it there though as we seem to be going round in circles.

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Everyone is different,some can contain their excitement,others get totally caught up in the moment,one thing is certain though,and that is that the steward was heavy handed.

 

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Having watched it, here’s my take. 

The steward is clearly on a power trip. He’s a ***** and it is OTT. 

But that’s about it. I don’t think I could ever get a prosecution home (if I dealt with such minor crimes ?) because it’d be too easy to defend. 

FWIW those suggesting that a simple arm up the back should’ve been the answer have clearly never tried it. It might work in The Bill, but in reality, a one on one arm restraint is nigh on impossible. 

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30 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

He went on the pitch and broke the law, 

Yep and the steward did the right thing in making sure he left the pitch. 

It's how he made sure he left the pitch that's the difficulty. 

If the guy had struggled a bit more and had his neck broken would people take the same view? I'd imagine not... 

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10 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Having watched it, here’s my take. 

The steward is clearly on a power trip. He’s a ***** and it is OTT. 

But that’s about it. I don’t think I could ever get a prosecution home (if I dealt with such minor crimes ?) because it’d be too easy to defend. 

FWIW those suggesting that a simple arm up the back should’ve been the answer have clearly never tried it. It might work in The Bill, but in reality, a one on one arm restraint is nigh on impossible. 

What about Juliet Bravo?

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29 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

He went on the pitch and broke the law, 

Yes we know...but that choke hold could have been fatal, that's why a high tackle in Rugby is banned, but you and Super think it's OK, there's a surprise. I am not the most supportive when it comes to incidents at football grounds, but that given the circumstances was to a point understandable, the steward needs to be reprimanded at the very least. 

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48 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

The passion we all have for our club must always be tempered by respect for the laws of the country. We have so much freedom compared with many countries that it is surely very easy to comply with the restrictions that are imposed on us for our own safety and well being.

 

I am old enough to remember when 99% of the fans invaded the pitch when we beat Pompey to go up to the 1st, NOTHING would have stopped that sea of emotion, it was the ONLY thing we could do.

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25 minutes ago, HIGHRIDGE BCFC said:

That's ok then then. Should've just let the steward finish him off with a stone cold stunner as well for good measure!

Never said it was, if he didn’t act like a tit and go on the pitch then it wouldn’t of happened,

you cant defend him as it’s his own fault,

 

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2 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

Never said it was, if he didn’t act like a tit and go on the pitch then it wouldn’t of happened,

you cant defend him as it’s his own fault,

 

I haven't defended him anywhere. He deserves his upcoming ban.

My point is the steward massively used over excessive force.

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5 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

I am old enough to remember when 99% of the fans invaded the pitch when we beat Pompey to go up to the 1st, NOTHING would have stopped that sea of emotion, it was the ONLY thing we could do.

Strangely that day I didn’t go on the pitch, just watched from the back of the East End!

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16 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

Yes we know...but that choke hold could have been fatal, that's why a high tackle in Rugby is banned, but you and Super think it's OK, there's a surprise. I am not the most supportive when it comes to incidents at football grounds, but that given the circumstances was to a point understandable, the steward needs to be reprimanded at the very least. 

But has it ever proved fatal or even caused serious injury? Of course its not good but statistically speaking it was more likely for him to attack someone than to be serious injured by a choke hold

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55 minutes ago, Big C said:

But has it ever proved fatal or even caused serious injury? Of course its not good but statistically speaking it was more likely for him to attack someone than to be serious injured by a choke hold

Is it more likely? 

Looking at his intentions I think there's very little statistical evidence that he was going to attack a city player. Whereas there is a likelihood, a small one at that, that the headlock could have caused serious injury. 

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The safety steward will be one of 2 things: A SIA licensed steward, or an unlicensed safety steward.  If the Safety steward is SIA trained then they would not have been trained to use vascular restraints as they are not part of SIA training and SIA are against using them.  If they are not SIA trained then I don't even believe they should be tackling any one physically as they may have no training in how to do so.  

The Police are prohibited from using vascular restraints and have been for nearly 30 years and so a safety steward certainly should not be using that technique.  

After the fan was removed from the players, the steward lost a hold of him but then re-applied the hold again.  The steward should be using the training given which would be arm hold techniques  and just as quick to apply.

The fan shouldn't have been on the pitch in the first place.

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They appear to be security/SIA/Door staff- whatever- first and foremost and have an understanding of football crowds second. Well this individual anyway, wouldn't want to tar them all with the same brush.

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4 hours ago, Big C said:

When you see someone running on to the pitch how do you know what his intentions are?

He shouldn't of done it but given that we just scored to go 3-2 up and he's clearly came from the City end it's pretty obvious to everyone what his intentions are.

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2 minutes ago, BCFC11 said:

He shouldn't of done it but given that we just scored to go 3-2 up and he's clearly came from the City end it's pretty obvious to everyone what his intentions are.

I thought I had finished with this debate , obvious yes but not 100% guaranteed and players have been attacked by fans celebrating goals

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Just now, Big C said:

I thought I had finished with this debate , obvious yes but not 100% guaranteed and players have been attached by fans celebrating goals

Your entitled to your opinion of course, but seems to me that you either can't see the obvious or just on the wind up, as @HIGHRIDGE BCFC has already pointed out yes players have been attacked by fans celebrating goals but not from their own supporters, you say it's not 100% guaranteed of course it's not, nothing is on this Earth in any walk of life, was clear as day to anyone watching that it was just an over excited City fan celebrating with the Players. 

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3 minutes ago, BCFC11 said:

Your entitled to your opinion of course, but seems to me that you either can't see the obvious or just on the wind up, as @HIGHRIDGE BCFC has already pointed out yes players have been attacked by fans celebrating goals but not from their own supporters, you say it's not 100% guaranteed of course it's not, nothing is on this Earth in any walk of life, was clear as day to anyone watching that it was just an over excited City fan celebrating with the Players. 

Who says anything about attacking his own players, he could have taken a swing at a opposing player, steward, policeman, ball boy or opposing fan. You've confirmed yourself that nothing is guaranteed , 999 times out of a 1000 you would probably get away with it but  all it would take is that 1 person in a 1000 to turn it into a worst case scenario and you are talking about a very different situation

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3 hours ago, JulieH said:

Just don’t go on the pitch at all. 

 

No confusion then as to whether you will be arrested , charged, put in a headlock, stadium ban  etc, just simply don’t go on the pitch . 

It really isn’t difficult , 99% of the rest of the crowd managed it. 

May I ask if you have read the article by retired senior police officer/football commander Nick Glynn, and if so, do you have an opinion of his views?

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16 minutes ago, maxjak said:

May I ask if you have read the article by retired senior police officer/football commander Nick Glynn, and if so, do you have an opinion of his views?

Which article? He has written several . 

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24 minutes ago, Big C said:

Who says anything about attacking his own players, he could have taken a swing at a opposing player, steward, policeman, ball boy or opposing fan. You've confirmed yourself that nothing is guaranteed , 999 times out of a 1000 you would probably get away with it but  all it would take is that 1 person in a 1000 to turn it into a worst case scenario and you are talking about a very different situation

Not quite sure why your making this out to be something that it clearly wasn't, so next time your out and about and happen walk past someone, be sure to post it on OTIB and tell us all how this person 'could' of assaulted you, afterall you never know.

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40 minutes ago, Big C said:

Who says anything about attacking his own players, he could have taken a swing at a opposing player, steward, policeman, ball boy or opposing fan. You've confirmed yourself that nothing is guaranteed , 999 times out of a 1000 you would probably get away with it but  all it would take is that 1 person in a 1000 to turn it into a worst case scenario and you are talking about a very different situation

This is now making up what never happened or never likely to happen. The fan was excited that we scored, hardly a reason to take 'a swing' at anyone really. Of course the steward should have known that and reasonable force should have been used, a strangulation hold is not reasonable. In the light of deaths inflicted by the Police by the use of such and suffocation by smothering I would have hoped that those entrusted with crows safety should have been better trained. 

I am btw 100% for the police and proper behaviour by fans, but this was an assault.

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9 minutes ago, JulieH said:

Which article? He has written several . 

Apologies, I meant the article from The Guardian on 31/8/2017. At the very last post on page 1 of this thread, by 'The original OTIB' there's a link to it.  That is the piece i was referring to.

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