BessexRED Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 Always interesting to keep an eye on once we get to this stage of the year, so conjured this up... 106 - Highest Champions Points Total 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 - Average Needed for Champions + Highest 2nd Place Points Total 92 91 90 89 - Highest 3rd Place Points Total 88 87 - Average Needed For 2nd 86 85 84 83 82 81 - Lowest Champions Points Total 80 79 - Lowest 2nd Place Total 78 - Highest 7th Place Points Total 77 76 75 74 - Average Needed for Play-Offs 73 72 71 70 69 68 - Lowest Play-off Position Total 67 66 65 64 63 62 - Average Needed for Top Half 61 60 59 58 57.....Norwich, Leeds 56 55 54 - Highest Points Still Relegated.....Sheffield United 53 52 51 50.....West Brom, Middlesbrough 49 - Average Needed for Survival 48 47.....Bristol City, Derby 46 45 44 43 - Lowest Points Total Survived.....Birmingham, Villa, Hull, Blackburn 42.....Forest 41.....Swansea 40 39.....QPR 38.....Stoke, Sheffield Wednesday 37.....Brentford, Preston 36 35 34 33 32.....Wigan 31 30.....Millwall 29 28 27 26.....Rotherham 25.....Reading 24 23.....Bolton 22 21 20 19 18.....Ipswich Key — Blue - Champions Green - 2nd Place Purple - Playoffs Orange - Top Half Red - Relegation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCulturalBomb Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 Nicely done, shows how much there is still to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 Great stuff! 9 more wins should get us to the average playoff spot then. 17 games to go, dare i say its doable! Just hope this run of form continues as weird things happen when you break the seal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clunes Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 That points total of 54 and still getting relegated just shows why the Championship is such a competitive league. The equivalent of 18 wins and still not being good enough to survive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 Pin and keep updated please! Have you used the amount of points achieved or the amount that would get you that spot? For example, if the average number of points that 7th place gets is 68 then you actually only need 69 to secure a playoff spot. This is true regardless of whether the actual average for a playoff spot is 74. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 Still not safe Although, if you reverse our current points, it becomes 74 which is the average for playoffs. It's a sign I tell 'ee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 I always prefer to extrapolate current seasons tables. Always ends up more accurate than looking at averages. 76 will almost certainly be enough for play offs. 75 is dodgy. 74 will be 7th I reckon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted February 5, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 I think 84 points might be enough for 2nd place this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BessexRED Posted February 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 56 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Pin and keep updated please! Have you used the amount of points achieved or the amount that would get you that spot? For example, if the average number of points that 7th place gets is 68 then you actually only need 69 to secure a playoff spot. This is true regardless of whether the actual average for a playoff spot is 74. Happy to keep updating it weekly mate and yeah, can figure that out as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow&Blue&Red Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 @BessexRED How many years did you look back mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 4 hours ago, clunes said: That points total of 54 and still getting relegated just shows why the Championship is such a competitive league. The equivalent of 18 wins and still not being good enough to survive... Looking at the size, standard and state of teams at the bottom thus season, doubt I'll be anything like that this year. A very competitive League though for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 6 hours ago, BessexRED said: Happy to keep updating it weekly mate and yeah, can figure that out as well. If you want to make it really interesting... it would be great to know what those achieved targets were at, at the same games played/points won at each stage of the season were. For instance.. after 30 games, what were those that achieved play offs on & what were those that finished 2nd on..? Were they ahead or behind where teams are now..? Probably far too complex to work out and calculate, but would be very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderingred Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 9 hours ago, Ian M said: I think 84 points might be enough for 2nd place this year. It might even be enough to win the thing at this rate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colemanballs Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 10 hours ago, Ian M said: I think 84 points might be enough for 2nd place this year. Leeds and Norwich are both heading for around 87 / 88 points at the moment. I reckon 2nd will require at least 87 points but the champions will get 90 or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BessexRED Posted February 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 9 hours ago, Yellow&Blue&Red said: @BessexRED How many years did you look back mate? Sorry should’ve clarified, I’ll add it to the OP. Went from 05/06 to 17/18 for seasons and totals. @phantom @TomF @RedM could I have permissions to edit the OP whenever please? The option seems to have disappeared. 6 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: If you want to make it really interesting... it would be great to know what those achieved targets were at, at the same games played/points won at each stage of the season were. For instance.. after 30 games, what were those that achieved play offs on & what were those that finished 2nd on..? Were they ahead or behind where teams are now..? Probably far too complex to work out and calculate, but would be very interesting. There’s a website that you can have a look at standings at a certain stage, I’ll have a look later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 54 points and still get relegated must hurt....ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Colemanballs said: Leeds and Norwich are both heading for around 87 / 88 points at the moment. I reckon 2nd will require at least 87 points but the champions will get 90 or less. Leeds have lost 4 of their last 6 games. Could be a blip or maybe, hopdfully, the start of a slide down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Spoons said: 54 points and still get relegated must hurt....ouch Peterborough in 2012-13 achieved that, when we were relegated too on a lot less. That's despite 13 goals each from Dwight Gayle and some bloke called Lee Tomlin. I wonder what happened to those 2 players?!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 hour ago, bcfc01 said: Leeds have lost 4 of their last 6 games. Could be a blip or maybe, hopdfully, the start of their traditional slide down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 6, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 2 hours ago, BessexRED said: Sorry should’ve clarified, I’ll add it to the OP. Went from 05/06 to 17/18 for seasons and totals. @phantom @TomF @RedM could I have permissions to edit the OP whenever please? The option seems to have disappeared. Hi @BessexRED hate to say there isn't a facility that is available to no admin / moderators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 5 hours ago, Colemanballs said: Leeds and Norwich are both heading for around 87 / 88 points at the moment. I reckon 2nd will require at least 87 points but the champions will get 90 or less. That’s a relatively low target, isn’t it..? I suppose it’s swings & roundabouts though, in so much as the lower the points won by the champions, the more there are to be shared out amongst the other teams, whereas Wolves getting 100 points would have meant less available to other teams last season. 98 is the maximum possible total we could finish on (17 more wins) Who we drop points too is almost as important as how many we actually drop. Likewise, who other teams drop points too. Losing a “6 pointer” is far more damaging than losing a game to a team in the bottom half, as the season gets to the business end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 hour ago, phantom said: Hi @BessexRED hate to say there isn't a facility that is available to no admin / moderators If i edit the account I’m sure some other alarms might come up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: Who we drop points too is almost as important as how many we actually drop. Likewise, who other teams drop points too. Losing a “6 pointer” is far more damaging than losing a game to a team in the bottom half, as the season gets to the business end. Totally agree...but somehow those 3 home games versus Ipswich (follows Leeds home), Wigan (follows Sheffield Utd away), and Reading (follows Aston Villa away) could be vitally important if not for momentum / regained momentum alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crackers Corner Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 Need this updating please would be good to include our max possible points too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Update? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 A fantastic record away to midtable, pushing for play off, teams. Be afraid Villa and Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 3 hours ago, cidercity1987 said: A fantastic record away to midtable, pushing for play off, teams. Be afraid Villa and Wednesday Away to those types of sides, it suits us quite well. Would though they are top 6, add Middlesbrough to that too because of their style of play. We can capitalise on their mistakes somewhat more as we are the away side, some of these sides are quite naturally counterattacking yet with an expectation to attack at home- had a good feeling about the games at Birmingham, Stoke, Nottingham Forest and I guess Blackburn for that reason. Still one game at a time though. Edit- Would also add Preston to my list as they're only 10 points off and in good form again- seem to be playing a bit more football which will open up good chances for us on the break and perhaps the best chance yet to end our dreadful record against them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BessexRED Posted February 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 Updated table: 106 - Highest Champions Points Total 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 - Average Needed for Champions + Highest 2nd Place Points Total 92 91 90 89 - Highest 3rd Place Points Total 88 87 - Average Needed For 2nd 86 85 84 83 82 81 - Lowest Champions Points Total 80 79 - Lowest 2nd Place Total 78 - Highest 7th Place Points Total 77 76 75 74 - Average Needed for Play-Offs 73 72 71 70 69 68 - Lowest Play-off Position Total 67 66 65 64 63 62 - Average Needed for Top Half 61 60......Norwich 59 58.....Leeds 57 56 55.....Sheffield United 54 - Highest Points Still Relegated 53.....West Brom 52 51.....Middlesbrough 50.....Bristol City, Derby 49 - Average Needed for Survival 48 47 46.....Birmingham 45.....Forest 44.....Villa, Swansea 43 - Lowest Points Total Survived.....Hull, Blackburn 42 41 40.....Preston 39.....QPR, Sheffield Wednesday 38.....Stoke 37.....Brentford 36 35 34 33.....Wigan 32 31 30.....Millwall 29 28 27.....Rotherham 26.....Reading 25 24 23.....Bolton 22 21 20 19 18.....Ipswich Key: Blue - Champions Green - 2nd Place Purple - Playoffs Orange - Top Half Red - Relegation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 I would be quite surprised if Reading or Rotherham reach the lowest points survived total to be honest, It would require an improvement in form that would be far above anything else they have achieved this season. it could be a record breaking season at both ends of the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: I would be quite surprised if Reading or Rotherham reach the lowest points survived total to be honest, It would require an improvement in form that would be far above anything else they have achieved this season. it could be a record breaking season at both ends of the table. I think though the Championship usually - more than most - gets topsy turvy in the end where with 10 games to go the bottom teams seem to go on unspeakable runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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