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Match Report: Villa giveth and the ref taketh away

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Great write up @Olé. I thought Hunt was run ragged by El Ghazi and couldn't believe he kept showing him inside every time he got the ball and was never tight enough. 

Max was superb and MT showed he is much more use as an impact sub than a starter. The early headed chance he missed would have given us the lead our start deserved as they looked shaky at the start

Finally the referee........big team syndrome and totally inept compounded by the most awful penalty decision against us. A homer in every sense of the word.

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I wasn't going to reply to any comments post match but quite honestly, that report is nonsense and not worth the paper that it is written on.

Firstly, I think the AW offside is too close to call and from where I was sitting (in line with the cameras), I couldn't tell if he was on or off.  However, the linesman, NOT THE REF was in line and he called it as off.  A slice of luck for Villa nevertheless.  The penalty was also harsh and if the roles were reversed, I would have been disappointed for it to be given against us.  That all said, I really don't care how we win at this stage of the season.

Villa went into this game having played a very difficult match with 10 men a few days before.  We were also without our 2 1st choice central defenders and our main playmaker (whose absence cannot be underestimated).  At 3pm, I feared the worst.  Contrary to the report, it was Villa who came out of the blocks and carved several chances, playing neat crisp football.  Bristol were not in the game and then, within the space of a minute, they missed a header (Taylor?) that they could have done better with and then AW had his offside goal.  After that, Bristol did gather a bit of composure and a good game began to unfold with two teams who were trying to play football in the right way.  The above report lost all credibility when it suggested that Villa were direct.  It was still Villa who were on the front foot and 2 remarkable saves by the keeper, followed by a poor header at an open goal from Adomah saw the game end at half time with no goals scored.  Contrary to the report (and I sit on the half way line), Villa's fans, although not great, were still in voice for most of the half and a section of Bristol fans had also been in voice although neither were in full voice.  All bookings were deserved with the exception of McGinn's who was booked for a mistimed tackle.  One of the Bristol bookings involved McGinn being hacked after he'd gone past the player - It was cynical and had it been the last man, he would have been off.  The other one was a very bad foul that also bordered red.  The Bristol defenders were also all over Abraham, in one instance, play on was waved when the defender was over Abraham with the defenders head 2 foot in front of Abraham, his feet behind him and Abraham underneath.  I have noticed, especially in the Championship, that refs tend to allow play on when the striker backs into the defender and the defender climbs all over him.

Half time ended with Villa having created the better chances and higher possession but Bristol also contributing to a good, competitive game.

The second half began with Villa taking a further grip on the game and again, the keeper pulled off 2 unbelievable saves with another 2 golden chances also being squandered.  Bristol were offering nothing at this stage and it seemed only a matter of time before a chance went in.  The inevitable goal came from fortuitous circumstances when a soft penalty was given.  It looks like minimal contact was made but it was no more than Villa deserved and perhaps balanced out the advantage that Bristol had, regarding injured/suspended players and having to play a midweek away game with 10 men.  To their credit, Villa went for more, rather than sitting back and duly doubled their lead.  Had the penalty not been given, who is to say that we would not have done this after this goal if it had been the first.  Contrary to the rather silly and bitter comments in the report, there was not a sponsered silence, apart from in the away section and by now, the ground was rocking as all 4 sides were bellowing out chants in unison.  At this point, it was Bristol who went a bit gung ho and started to play the game in their opponents half.  They pulled a goal back in rather controversial circumstances when a Villa player put the ball out so that his colleague could receive treatment.  Bristol rather unsportingly retained the ball from the throw in and went up the other end and scored.  It was a nervy last 15 minutes with Villa on the back foot now but in reality, Bristol created nothing, despite being given a ridiculous 6 added minutes in order to try to do so.

My feeling is that it was a good Championship game and very competitive.  Bristol played their part but were deservedly beaten.  Villa showed that they can win without Grealish in the side (something they have rarely done this season) and we were fortunate that the number 9 either had an off day or isn't very good as he rarely troubled our makeshift pairing.  By the posters own admission, he had a poor view of the game and even mistook Abraham for Hourihane for the pen - Sums his report up perfectly.  Away fans are purposely put on the side so that the home team attack 2 ends with home fans in.  The lower tier is dished out first because it holds more and when teams only take half the allocation, it is the lower tier that is sold.  It is Bristol's fault for selling it first if they took the full allocation at once.

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Rob, excellent coverage and glad you highlighted the early bookings. Pack and Hunt can be excused for being off the tenacious aspect of their game due to early card waving. Need a decent or fair ref in the next two games to stay in top six 

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“Firstly, I think the AW offside is too close to call and from where I was sitting (in line with the cameras), I couldn't tell if he was on or off.  However, the linesman, NOT THE REF was in line and he called it as off.  A slice of luck for Villa nevertheless.  The penalty was also harsh and if the roles were reversed, I would have been disappointed for it to be given against us.  That all said, I really don't care how we win at this stage of the season”

 

thats pretty much the level of oddness Villa fans  seem to live by. Other than a wrongfully disallowed goal, and a pen that never was, (which you would be angry were given against the mighty Villa) the game was reffed well!! Glad you cleared that up for us. Winning w/o Grealish and the ref is the challenge you may still need to overcome one day. Couldn’t make up an odder club. 

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2 minutes ago, ciderwithtommy said:

“Firstly, I think the AW offside is too close to call and from where I was sitting (in line with the cameras), I couldn't tell if he was on or off.  However, the linesman, NOT THE REF was in line and he called it as off.  A slice of luck for Villa nevertheless.  The penalty was also harsh and if the roles were reversed, I would have been disappointed for it to be given against us.  That all said, I really don't care how we win at this stage of the season”

 

thats pretty much the level of oddness Villa fans  seem to live by. Other than a wrongfully disallowed goal, and a pen that never was, (which you would be angry were given against the mighty Villa) the game was reffed well!! Glad you cleared that up for us. Winning w/o Grealish and the ref is the challenge you may still need to overcome one day. Couldn’t make up an odder club. 

Until you can somehow grasp that it was the linesman who called the offside goal, not the ref, there is little point debating with you.

So basically, we have "ref gave a disputed penalty" shocker.  It's not the first time it's happened and it won't be the last - It happens every week up and down the country.  

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Yes, apart from the mountain of chances they created 2nd half and the few we did, there was nothing between the sides.

If LJ really takes the hard done by approach into the post mortem of the game, then we're in trouble.

It wasn't a penalty and that's hugely frustrating. The stills posted of Weiman's goal make it look offside. But what I find annoying is in 99 minutes of play, their keeper hasn't made a single save. That's why we lost.

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I totally understand why fans are frustrated with the referee, but Aston Villa created probably seven or eight really, really good chances.

Adomah and Hourihane both missed what were bordering on sitters before half-time and played through us at will in the second half.

We had plenty of the general play and the disallowed Weimann goal - for which he was level, which is often a tight call when things are moving at pace - was disappointing, but I’m genuinely astounded people think we deserved anything.

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Just now, The Journalist said:

I totally understand why fans are frustrated with the referee, but Aston Villa created probably seven or eight really, really good chances.

Adomah and Hourihane both missed what were bordering on sitters before half-time and played through us at will in the second half.

We had plenty of the general play and the disallowed Weimann goal - for which he was level, which is often a tight call when things are moving at pace - was disappointing, but I’m genuinely astounded people think we deserved anything.

Every match day there’s at least one team that walks away with 3 points despite having only 20-30% possession, having more chances does not guarantee a win, but yesterday the inept officials cost us, correct result should been 2-1 for us!

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LJ did say they won the game in the first 20 mins of the second half. Which was about right.

First half was pretty even although I thought we looked the more likely. I think the penalty and all the biased yellow cards changed the game. Fouls by City players seemed an automatic yellow while Villa's just got waved on.

Anyone who couldn't see that ref changed the game needs to take a good look at themselves. Once booked a player has to hold back in the tackle and half our team got booked. 

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2 minutes ago, dave36 said:

Every match day there’s at least one team that walks away with 3 points despite having only 20-30% possession, having more chances does not guarantee a win, but yesterday the inept officials cost us, correct result should been 2-1 for us!

It’s obviously a different game if the Weimann goal isn’t incorrectly disallowed, but we completely lost control - of both the game and our heads - for a large part of the second half.

But, listen, I’m a huge supporter of the head coach and what we’re trying to do as a club when many aren’t, so if we’d sooner concentrate on the officials rather than ourselves to keep things positive that’s fine by me.

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27 minutes ago, anotherdayinparadise said:

Until you can somehow grasp that it was the linesman who called the offside goal, not the ref, there is little point debating with you.

So basically, we have "ref gave a disputed penalty" shocker.  It's not the first time it's happened and it won't be the last - It happens every week up and down the country.  

Linesman flags, ref gives it? Still think that’s the rule as far as I am aware, although again I don’t support the mighty villa so I must be wrong. Either way it’s simply a bad call, in a list of bad ones. After the penalty you took control, but had the correct calls been made this game may well have been very different. 

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Taylor was a red card not a yellow (I agree with the Villa fan above). It was from behind, you could see (I was behind the dugouts and in line with Taylor chasing their player) what he was going to do, he had no intention but to bring the guy down. All 4 of us (City fans) said got to be a red. Not taking away from the decisions that went against us, and there were many small ones too (throw in given wrong, that were so clear ,it was what got our bench upset) . It was a poor level of referee . Let's look at it another way, if we had got our goal, no penalty, and won 1-0 , Dean Smith (who was furious ) would have pointed to the red card incident. We need VAR for these incidents, rugby make it work.

Villa fan gets it totally wrong on putting the ball out incident. It went out in normal play, and Tammy went down after that. No player would have known he was going to go down and was in a normal passage of play. No need to give ball back. 

Villa I thought were far better than the last time I saw them and you can see the Dean Smith influence. Still with the daft parachute payments, disregard for FFP they should be with that wage bill. Of course the penalty changed the dynamic as it meant we had to be more open, and the now confirmed AW goal not being offside, would have also had an impact on both sides game plan, as would a Matty Taylor red card.

I liked it when the ground was in full song, but that was rare and generally found it a quiet game from the fans . You could sense their nerves when we got a goal back. I love the ground for having character and heritage style. You can see they were once a top club, thought the top 6 Prem is now a far dream for them. Must be hard after so much rich history to accept the boat has sailed now. Fans were very friendly though and I think enjoying the Dean Smith playing style. 

First half I thought we did well and kept up our good away performance approach, and you felt you could open up that Villa defence, and we did on occasions. They had targeted our weak area, right back... again. Second half became more open after the goal, and that gave them too much space as we chased an equaliser. Onwards, we can still make the playoffs and we may need to play Villa again .

Agree Rob  with your ratings bar Eliasson, primarily for the first half. If you were with the City fans, you might not have appreciated the quality of ball he was putting into the box, it was excellent/outstanding,, LJ on many occasions applauding him. He can become some player if he continues to improve. 

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1 hour ago, anotherdayinparadise said:

I wasn't going to reply to any comments post match but quite honestly, that report is nonsense and not worth the paper that it is written on.

Firstly, I think the AW offside is too close to call and from where I was sitting (in line with the cameras), I couldn't tell if he was on or off.  However, the linesman, NOT THE REF was in line and he called it as off.  A slice of luck for Villa nevertheless.  The penalty was also harsh and if the roles were reversed, I would have been disappointed for it to be given against us.  That all said, I really don't care how we win at this stage of the season.

Villa went into this game having played a very difficult match with 10 men a few days before.  We were also without our 2 1st choice central defenders and our main playmaker (whose absence cannot be underestimated).  At 3pm, I feared the worst.  Contrary to the report, it was Villa who came out of the blocks and carved several chances, playing neat crisp football.  Bristol were not in the game and then, within the space of a minute, they missed a header (Taylor?) that they could have done better with and then AW had his offside goal.  After that, Bristol did gather a bit of composure and a good game began to unfold with two teams who were trying to play football in the right way.  The above report lost all credibility when it suggested that Villa were direct.  It was still Villa who were on the front foot and 2 remarkable saves by the keeper, followed by a poor header at an open goal from Adomah saw the game end at half time with no goals scored.  Contrary to the report (and I sit on the half way line), Villa's fans, although not great, were still in voice for most of the half and a section of Bristol fans had also been in voice although neither were in full voice.  All bookings were deserved with the exception of McGinn's who was booked for a mistimed tackle.  One of the Bristol bookings involved McGinn being hacked after he'd gone past the player - It was cynical and had it been the last man, he would have been off.  The other one was a very bad foul that also bordered red.  The Bristol defenders were also all over Abraham, in one instance, play on was waved when the defender was over Abraham with the defenders head 2 foot in front of Abraham, his feet behind him and Abraham underneath.  I have noticed, especially in the Championship, that refs tend to allow play on when the striker backs into the defender and the defender climbs all over him.

Half time ended with Villa having created the better chances and higher possession but Bristol also contributing to a good, competitive game.

The second half began with Villa taking a further grip on the game and again, the keeper pulled off 2 unbelievable saves with another 2 golden chances also being squandered.  Bristol were offering nothing at this stage and it seemed only a matter of time before a chance went in.  The inevitable goal came from fortuitous circumstances when a soft penalty was given.  It looks like minimal contact was made but it was no more than Villa deserved and perhaps balanced out the advantage that Bristol had, regarding injured/suspended players and having to play a midweek away game with 10 men.  To their credit, Villa went for more, rather than sitting back and duly doubled their lead.  Had the penalty not been given, who is to say that we would not have done this after this goal if it had been the first.  Contrary to the rather silly and bitter comments in the report, there was not a sponsered silence, apart from in the away section and by now, the ground was rocking as all 4 sides were bellowing out chants in unison.  At this point, it was Bristol who went a bit gung ho and started to play the game in their opponents half.  They pulled a goal back in rather controversial circumstances when a Villa player put the ball out so that his colleague could receive treatment.  Bristol rather unsportingly retained the ball from the throw in and went up the other end and scored.  It was a nervy last 15 minutes with Villa on the back foot now but in reality, Bristol created nothing, despite being given a ridiculous 6 added minutes in order to try to do so.

My feeling is that it was a good Championship game and very competitive.  Bristol played their part but were deservedly beaten.  Villa showed that they can win without Grealish in the side (something they have rarely done this season) and we were fortunate that the number 9 either had an off day or isn't very good as he rarely troubled our makeshift pairing.  By the posters own admission, he had a poor view of the game and even mistook Abraham for Hourihane for the pen - Sums his report up perfectly.  Away fans are purposely put on the side so that the home team attack 2 ends with home fans in.  The lower tier is dished out first because it holds more and when teams only take half the allocation, it is the lower tier that is sold.  It is Bristol's fault for selling it first if they took the full allocation at once.

And your support was very poor,could've heard a mouse fart........do your stands 'double up on Saturdays with the library service???

Never heard a squeek from you until the dodgy pen..

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1 hour ago, anotherdayinparadise said:

 The penalty was also harsh and if the roles were reversed, I would have been disappointed for it to be given against us.

 All bookings were deserved with the exception of McGinn's who was booked for a mistimed tackle. 

The inevitable goal came from fortuitous circumstances when a soft penalty was given.  It looks like minimal contact was made but it was no more than Villa deserved and perhaps balanced out the advantage that Bristol had, regarding injured/suspended players and having to play a midweek away game with 10 men.  To their credit, Villa went for more, rather than sitting back and duly doubled their lead.  Had the penalty not been given, who is to say that we would not have done this after this goal if it had been the first. 

Your own "one eyed" opinion & "big club" mentality is borne out by these 2 comments alone.

It's very rare, unless you are playing a bunch of thugs, that one side has one "unfair" booking and the other has 6 "fair" ones, plus 2 for the coaches. One thing we have berated our team for over the past few seasons is how soft we seem compared to cynical teams, such as those managed by Warnock. That doesn't change overnight!

And please can we have undeserved penalties when we are missing a few players or can't beat the goalkeeper any other way, "just to balance out" the fact that we aren't winning at home? Penalties should only be given because of the offence committed not because the ref wants to give you a one-on-one from 12 yards out directly in front of the goal to make up for the ones you haven't already taken.

Look, Villa have a budget way bigger than ours, and the players to match, but for most of the season, their team, with a few exceptions (McGinn, Tammy) has been underperforming. They are better with Grealish pulling the strings, but to suggest a "homer" of a referee is due recompense for his absence is frankly bizarre!

P.S. We are CITY. "Bristol"are the egg-chasers who were playing (and beating) Saracens yesterday.

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1 hour ago, anotherdayinparadise said:

I wasn't going to reply to any comments post match but quite honestly, that report is nonsense and not worth the paper that it is written on.

Firstly, I think the AW offside is too close to call and from where I was sitting (in line with the cameras), I couldn't tell if he was on or off.  However, the linesman, NOT THE REF was in line and he called it as off.  A slice of luck for Villa nevertheless.  The penalty was also harsh and if the roles were reversed, I would have been disappointed for it to be given against us.  That all said, I really don't care how we win at this stage of the season.

Villa went into this game having played a very difficult match with 10 men a few days before.  We were also without our 2 1st choice central defenders and our main playmaker (whose absence cannot be underestimated).  At 3pm, I feared the worst.  Contrary to the report, it was Villa who came out of the blocks and carved several chances, playing neat crisp football.  Bristol were not in the game and then, within the space of a minute, they missed a header (Taylor?) that they could have done better with and then AW had his offside goal.  After that, Bristol did gather a bit of composure and a good game began to unfold with two teams who were trying to play football in the right way.  The above report lost all credibility when it suggested that Villa were direct.  It was still Villa who were on the front foot and 2 remarkable saves by the keeper, followed by a poor header at an open goal from Adomah saw the game end at half time with no goals scored.  Contrary to the report (and I sit on the half way line), Villa's fans, although not great, were still in voice for most of the half and a section of Bristol fans had also been in voice although neither were in full voice.  All bookings were deserved with the exception of McGinn's who was booked for a mistimed tackle.  One of the Bristol bookings involved McGinn being hacked after he'd gone past the player - It was cynical and had it been the last man, he would have been off.  The other one was a very bad foul that also bordered red.  The Bristol defenders were also all over Abraham, in one instance, play on was waved when the defender was over Abraham with the defenders head 2 foot in front of Abraham, his feet behind him and Abraham underneath.  I have noticed, especially in the Championship, that refs tend to allow play on when the striker backs into the defender and the defender climbs all over him.

Half time ended with Villa having created the better chances and higher possession but Bristol also contributing to a good, competitive game.

The second half began with Villa taking a further grip on the game and again, the keeper pulled off 2 unbelievable saves with another 2 golden chances also being squandered.  Bristol were offering nothing at this stage and it seemed only a matter of time before a chance went in.  The inevitable goal came from fortuitous circumstances when a soft penalty was given.  It looks like minimal contact was made but it was no more than Villa deserved and perhaps balanced out the advantage that Bristol had, regarding injured/suspended players and having to play a midweek away game with 10 men.  To their credit, Villa went for more, rather than sitting back and duly doubled their lead.  Had the penalty not been given, who is to say that we would not have done this after this goal if it had been the first.  Contrary to the rather silly and bitter comments in the report, there was not a sponsered silence, apart from in the away section and by now, the ground was rocking as all 4 sides were bellowing out chants in unison.  At this point, it was Bristol who went a bit gung ho and started to play the game in their opponents half.  They pulled a goal back in rather controversial circumstances when a Villa player put the ball out so that his colleague could receive treatment.  Bristol rather unsportingly retained the ball from the throw in and went up the other end and scored.  It was a nervy last 15 minutes with Villa on the back foot now but in reality, Bristol created nothing, despite being given a ridiculous 6 added minutes in order to try to do so.

My feeling is that it was a good Championship game and very competitive.  Bristol played their part but were deservedly beaten.  Villa showed that they can win without Grealish in the side (something they have rarely done this season) and we were fortunate that the number 9 either had an off day or isn't very good as he rarely troubled our makeshift pairing.  By the posters own admission, he had a poor view of the game and even mistook Abraham for Hourihane for the pen - Sums his report up perfectly.  Away fans are purposely put on the side so that the home team attack 2 ends with home fans in.  The lower tier is dished out first because it holds more and when teams only take half the allocation, it is the lower tier that is sold.  It is Bristol's fault for selling it first if they took the full allocation at once.

Fair play to Villa fans imo. It must be a hard job to be more hubristic and detestable than Leeds, and yet they manage it with such aplomb.

How lucky we are that they should consort with us lower league types.

They are surely the most arrogant, self entitled fans in the country

'Bristol' ffs. How about you **** off?

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3 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said:

And your support was very poor,could've heard a mouse fart........do your stands 'double up on Saturdays with the library service???

Never heard a squeek from you until the dodgy pen..

Elmohamady:  "Villa Park rocking as usual"
El Ghazi:  @avfcofficial fans were as always fantastic.
Abraham:  @AVFCOfficial support was 🤩🤩 once again!
Aston Villa Official: Our biggest crowd of the season. You more than played your part.

Pathetic, bitter Bristol fan:   "Your support was poor"

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Wasn't there so not going to comment on the accuracy of either report, but this did make me smile:

''It looks like minimal contact was made but it was no more than Villa deserved and perhaps balanced out the advantage that Bristol had, regarding injured/suspended players and having to play a midweek away game with 10 men''

It's an interesting take on deserving luck. Perhaps City didn't deserve this as they haven't had parachute payments / much smaller wage bill / aren't as close to Spaghetti Junction etc.....

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Just now, Dr Balls said:

Your own "one eyed" opinion & "big club" mentality is borne out by these 2 comments alone.

It's very rare, unless you are playing a bunch of thugs, that one side has one "unfair" booking and the other has 6 "fair" ones, plus 2 for the coaches. One thing we have berated our team for over the past few seasons is how soft we seem compared to cynical teams, such as those managed by Warnock. That doesn't change overnight!

And please can we have undeserved penalties when we are missing a few players or can't beat the goalkeeper any other way, "just to balance out" the fact that we aren't winning at home? Penalties should only be given because of the offence committed not because the ref wants to give you a one-on-one from 12 yards out directly in front of the goal to make up for the ones you haven't already taken.

Look, Villa have a budget way bigger than ours, and the players to match, but for most of the season, their team, with a few exceptions (McGinn, Tammy) has been underperforming. They are better with Grealish pulling the strings, but to suggest a "homer" of a referee is due recompense for his absence is frankly bizarre!

P.S. We are CITY. "Bristol"are the egg-chasers who were playing (and beating) Saracens yesterday.

No - You are one eyed and you throw in the "big club" template for good measure.

We beat you fair and square.  We were the better team and even if we hadn't been awarded the penalty, we would have scored eventually.  get over it and stop bleating like a baby, blaming the ref, the EFL and everyone else for your own little team/little budget shortcomings.

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2 minutes ago, anotherdayinparadise said:

Elmohamady:  "Villa Park rocking as usual"
El Ghazi:  @avfcofficial fans were as always fantastic.
Abraham:  @AVFCOfficial support was 🤩🤩 once again!
Aston Villa Official: Our biggest crowd of the season. You more than played your part.

Pathetic, bitter Bristol fan:   "Your support was poor"

Oh no, you've got us there. You've found some entirely neutral views on the support! And I don't think anyone has said your support was poor; 41000 is hard to argue with. Just quiet. And until you scored I thought it was. It's always going to be opinions, but if you thought yesterday was noisy then I hate to think what Villa Park is like on a quiet day in front of 30,000.

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Just now, italian dave said:

Oh no, you've got us there. You've found some entirely neutral views on the support! And I don't think anyone has said your support was poor; 41000 is hard to argue with. Just quiet. And until you scored I thought it was. It's always going to be opinions, but if you thought yesterday was noisy then I hate to think what Villa Park is like on a quiet day in front of 30,000.

Like your bitter fans views are neutral. 😂

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1 hour ago, anotherdayinparadise said:

I wasn't going to reply to any comments post match but quite honestly, that report is nonsense and not worth the paper that it is written on.

Firstly, I think the AW offside is too close to call and from where I was sitting (in line with the cameras), I couldn't tell if he was on or off.  However, the linesman, NOT THE REF was in line and he called it as off.  A slice of luck for Villa nevertheless.  The penalty was also harsh and if the roles were reversed, I would have been disappointed for it to be given against us.  That all said, I really don't care how we win at this stage of the season.

Villa went into this game having played a very difficult match with 10 men a few days before.  We were also without our 2 1st choice central defenders and our main playmaker (whose absence cannot be underestimated).  At 3pm, I feared the worst.  Contrary to the report, it was Villa who came out of the blocks and carved several chances, playing neat crisp football.  Bristol were not in the game and then, within the space of a minute, they missed a header (Taylor?) that they could have done better with and then AW had his offside goal.  After that, Bristol did gather a bit of composure and a good game began to unfold with two teams who were trying to play football in the right way.  The above report lost all credibility when it suggested that Villa were direct.  It was still Villa who were on the front foot and 2 remarkable saves by the keeper, followed by a poor header at an open goal from Adomah saw the game end at half time with no goals scored.  Contrary to the report (and I sit on the half way line), Villa's fans, although not great, were still in voice for most of the half and a section of Bristol fans had also been in voice although neither were in full voice.  All bookings were deserved with the exception of McGinn's who was booked for a mistimed tackle.  One of the Bristol bookings involved McGinn being hacked after he'd gone past the player - It was cynical and had it been the last man, he would have been off.  The other one was a very bad foul that also bordered red.  The Bristol defenders were also all over Abraham, in one instance, play on was waved when the defender was over Abraham with the defenders head 2 foot in front of Abraham, his feet behind him and Abraham underneath.  I have noticed, especially in the Championship, that refs tend to allow play on when the striker backs into the defender and the defender climbs all over him.

Half time ended with Villa having created the better chances and higher possession but Bristol also contributing to a good, competitive game.

The second half began with Villa taking a further grip on the game and again, the keeper pulled off 2 unbelievable saves with another 2 golden chances also being squandered.  Bristol were offering nothing at this stage and it seemed only a matter of time before a chance went in.  The inevitable goal came from fortuitous circumstances when a soft penalty was given.  It looks like minimal contact was made but it was no more than Villa deserved and perhaps balanced out the advantage that Bristol had, regarding injured/suspended players and having to play a midweek away game with 10 men.  To their credit, Villa went for more, rather than sitting back and duly doubled their lead.  Had the penalty not been given, who is to say that we would not have done this after this goal if it had been the first.  Contrary to the rather silly and bitter comments in the report, there was not a sponsered silence, apart from in the away section and by now, the ground was rocking as all 4 sides were bellowing out chants in unison.  At this point, it was Bristol who went a bit gung ho and started to play the game in their opponents half.  They pulled a goal back in rather controversial circumstances when a Villa player put the ball out so that his colleague could receive treatment.  Bristol rather unsportingly retained the ball from the throw in and went up the other end and scored.  It was a nervy last 15 minutes with Villa on the back foot now but in reality, Bristol created nothing, despite being given a ridiculous 6 added minutes in order to try to do so.

My feeling is that it was a good Championship game and very competitive.  Bristol played their part but were deservedly beaten.  Villa showed that they can win without Grealish in the side (something they have rarely done this season) and we were fortunate that the number 9 either had an off day or isn't very good as he rarely troubled our makeshift pairing.  By the posters own admission, he had a poor view of the game and even mistook Abraham for Hourihane for the pen - Sums his report up perfectly.  Away fans are purposely put on the side so that the home team attack 2 ends with home fans in.  The lower tier is dished out first because it holds more and when teams only take half the allocation, it is the lower tier that is sold.  It is Bristol's fault for selling it first if they took the full allocation at once.

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1 minute ago, anotherdayinparadise said:

No - You are one eyed and you throw in the "big club" template for good measure.

We beat you fair and square.  We were the better team and even if we hadn't been awarded the penalty, we would have scored eventually.  get over it and stop bleating like a baby, blaming the ref, the EFL and everyone else for your own little team/little budget shortcomings.

I always admire the way that, win or lose, Villa fans are still giant *****.

If you don't like what Bristol City fans write on a Bristol City forum, then off you ****.

You live in Birmingham mate, wind your neck in.

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19 minutes ago, anotherdayinparadise said:

No - You are one eyed and you throw in the "big club" template for good measure.

We beat you fair and square.  We were the better team and even if we hadn't been awarded the penalty, we would have scored eventually.  get over it and stop bleating like a baby, blaming the ref, the EFL and everyone else for your own little team/little budget shortcomings.

How on earth can you say that with a straight face, fair and square? Look at your first post, you are Villa personified - odd. No one knows what would have happened had the pen not been given.

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2 minutes ago, ciderwithtommy said:

How on earth can you say that with a straight face, fair and square? Look at your first post, you are Villa personified - odd. No one knows what would have happened had the pen not been given.

But 99% of this message board are saying you would have won/drawn if the penalty had not been given. 🤣

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1 hour ago, anotherdayinparadise said:

I wasn't going to reply to any comments post match but quite honestly, that report is nonsense and not worth the paper that it is written on.

Firstly, I think the AW offside is too close to call and from where I was sitting (in line with the cameras), I couldn't tell if he was on or off.  However, the linesman, NOT THE REF was in line and he called it as off.  A slice of luck for Villa nevertheless.  The penalty was also harsh and if the roles were reversed, I would have been disappointed for it to be given against us.  That all said, I really don't care how we win at this stage of the season.

Villa went into this game having played a very difficult match with 10 men a few days before.  We were also without our 2 1st choice central defenders and our main playmaker (whose absence cannot be underestimated).  At 3pm, I feared the worst.  Contrary to the report, it was Villa who came out of the blocks and carved several chances, playing neat crisp football.  Bristol were not in the game and then, within the space of a minute, they missed a header (Taylor?) that they could have done better with and then AW had his offside goal.  After that, Bristol did gather a bit of composure and a good game began to unfold with two teams who were trying to play football in the right way.  The above report lost all credibility when it suggested that Villa were direct.  It was still Villa who were on the front foot and 2 remarkable saves by the keeper, followed by a poor header at an open goal from Adomah saw the game end at half time with no goals scored.  Contrary to the report (and I sit on the half way line), Villa's fans, although not great, were still in voice for most of the half and a section of Bristol fans had also been in voice although neither were in full voice.  All bookings were deserved with the exception of McGinn's who was booked for a mistimed tackle.  One of the Bristol bookings involved McGinn being hacked after he'd gone past the player - It was cynical and had it been the last man, he would have been off.  The other one was a very bad foul that also bordered red.  The Bristol defenders were also all over Abraham, in one instance, play on was waved when the defender was over Abraham with the defenders head 2 foot in front of Abraham, his feet behind him and Abraham underneath.  I have noticed, especially in the Championship, that refs tend to allow play on when the striker backs into the defender and the defender climbs all over him.

Half time ended with Villa having created the better chances and higher possession but Bristol also contributing to a good, competitive game.

The second half began with Villa taking a further grip on the game and again, the keeper pulled off 2 unbelievable saves with another 2 golden chances also being squandered.  Bristol were offering nothing at this stage and it seemed only a matter of time before a chance went in.  The inevitable goal came from fortuitous circumstances when a soft penalty was given.  It looks like minimal contact was made but it was no more than Villa deserved and perhaps balanced out the advantage that Bristol had, regarding injured/suspended players and having to play a midweek away game with 10 men.  To their credit, Villa went for more, rather than sitting back and duly doubled their lead.  Had the penalty not been given, who is to say that we would not have done this after this goal if it had been the first.  Contrary to the rather silly and bitter comments in the report, there was not a sponsered silence, apart from in the away section and by now, the ground was rocking as all 4 sides were bellowing out chants in unison.  At this point, it was Bristol who went a bit gung ho and started to play the game in their opponents half.  They pulled a goal back in rather controversial circumstances when a Villa player put the ball out so that his colleague could receive treatment.  Bristol rather unsportingly retained the ball from the throw in and went up the other end and scored.  It was a nervy last 15 minutes with Villa on the back foot now but in reality, Bristol created nothing, despite being given a ridiculous 6 added minutes in order to try to do so.

My feeling is that it was a good Championship game and very competitive.  Bristol played their part but were deservedly beaten.  Villa showed that they can win without Grealish in the side (something they have rarely done this season) and we were fortunate that the number 9 either had an off day or isn't very good as he rarely troubled our makeshift pairing.  By the posters own admission, he had a poor view of the game and even mistook Abraham for Hourihane for the pen - Sums his report up perfectly.  Away fans are purposely put on the side so that the home team attack 2 ends with home fans in.  The lower tier is dished out first because it holds more and when teams only take half the allocation, it is the lower tier that is sold.  It is Bristol's fault for selling it first if they took the full allocation at once.

I wasn’t at the game but reviewing the match statistics you deserved to win. That said reading match reports it sounds like the officials made some big calls that influenced the result (disallowed goal and ruling out a goal for offside) and have distracted from the Villa performance.

If you call us Bristol you will Bristol city fans backs up. The same way if we called you Birmingham it would get Villa fans back up. 

You have a good manager in Dean Smith. He plays good football and given the quality and money you have spent on the squad anything less than a playoff place would be under achieving. That said spending money doesn’t always guarantee you the rewards. As you well know.

Would be interested in the financial implications if you don’t make promotion this season? Would you be at risk of FFP.

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21 minutes ago, anotherdayinparadise said:

No - You are one eyed and you throw in the "big club" template for good measure.

We beat you fair and square.  We were the better team and even if we hadn't been awarded the penalty, we would have scored eventually.  get over it and stop bleating like a baby, blaming the ref, the EFL and everyone else for your own little team/little budget shortcomings.

Hopefully you won’t go up and FFP will catch up with you. Then you can whine about budgets 

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I’m still yet to meet a Villa fan who isn’t an arrogant dognonce.

Hopefully that’ll change one day..

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1 hour ago, anotherdayinparadise said:

Villa's fans, although not great, were still in voice for most of the half

sums up how myopic your opinion is, I had the advantage of watching the stream, you must have had someone shouting in your ear, because up until the ref handed you the game with one of the most farcical decisions i have ever seen, you could not hear the ville at all.

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12 minutes ago, Stortz said:

I always admire the way that, win or lose, Villa fans are still giant *****.

If you don't like what Bristol City fans write on a Bristol City forum, then off you ****.

You live in Birmingham mate, wind your neck in.

You are very childish and typical of a small club mentality.

Nobody claims we have a divine right to the PL - That is just something that is invented on here by idiots like you because it adds value to their silly claims.

I have an opinion, just like you do.  Quite why you think I can't voice it just because you don't like it, further demonstrates your small thinking mentality.

As for your pathetic insults, save them for someone who gives a flying one eh?

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Poor old villa my heart bleeds for them needed the ref to gift them a penalty just because they had a couple of players out to even up the game what a belter 😂

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17 minutes ago, anotherdayinparadise said:

 We were the better team and even if we hadn't been awarded the penalty, we would have scored eventually.  get over it and stop bleating like a baby, blaming the ref, the EFL and everyone else for your own little team/little budget shortcomings.

“ looks like minimal contact was made but it was no more than Villa deserved and perhaps balanced out the advantage that Bristol had, regarding injured/suspended players and having to play a midweek away game with 10 men”

What an absolute belter you are. so you deserved the penalty decision based on you having players out and having to play a midweek game....ffs, the more I read it the more astounded I am by your stupidity.

you then clearly go into “we are villa” mode with the quoted post....”we would have scored eventually” “ your own little team/little budget shortcomings.”

You tried to be neutral then slipped fully into ex-prem, billy big bollocks mode....the reason why most fans despise clubs like yours. You deserve each other....now **** off

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3 minutes ago, Beni71 said:

I wasn’t at the game but reviewing the match statistics you deserved to win. That said reading match reports it sounds like the officials made some big calls that influenced the result (disallowed goal and ruling out a goal for offside) and have distracted from the Villa performance.

If you call us Bristol you will Bristol city fans backs up. The same way if we called you Birmingham it would get Villa fans back up. 

You have a good manager in Dean Smith. He plays good football and given the quality and money you have spent on the squad anything less than a playoff place would be under achieving. That said spending money doesn’t always guarantee you the rewards. As you well know.

Would be interested in the financial implications if you don’t make promotion this season? Would you be at risk of FFP.

FFP is tight although not as severe as many daydreamers on here seem to think.  If we go down, Grealish will almost certainly be sold which will on it's own get rid of any FFP issues.  Our new owners have been in constant contact with the EFL to ensure that we remain within the constraints of FFP.

Contrary to silly claims on here about David v Goliath yesterday, we fielded 3 loanees, a GK who cost nothing, a RB who cost £1 million, a left back who was given to us along with some money in a player plus cash swap, a midfield that cost around £5 million and a winger who was part of a swap deal for Adama Traore.

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4 minutes ago, anotherdayinparadise said:

You are very childish and typical of a small club mentality.

Nobody claims we have a divine right to the PL - That is just something that is invented on here by idiots like you because it adds value to their silly claims.

I have an opinion, just like you do.  Quite why you think I can't voice it just because you don't like it, further demonstrates your small thinking mentality.

As for your pathetic insults, save them for someone who gives a flying one eh?

For me you are a perfect villa fan. So confused, having read your posts it goes from penalty and goal ruled out were unfair, to we win fair and square, all in 20 minutes.  No idea why I am even replying if I’m honest, other than to clarify I hope you don’t go up, and FFP comes home to roost ASAP. 

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2 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

“ looks like minimal contact was made but it was no more than Villa deserved and perhaps balanced out the advantage that Bristol had, regarding injured/suspended players and having to play a midweek away game with 10 men”

What an absolute belter you are. so you deserved the penalty decision based on you having players out and having to play a midweek game....ffs, the more I read it the more astounded I am by your stupidity.

you then clearly go into “we are villa” mode with the quoted post....”we would have scored eventually” “ your own little team/little budget shortcomings.”

You tried to be neutral then slipped fully into ex-prem, billy big bollocks mode....the reason why most fans despise clubs like yours. You deserve each other....now **** off

I have not once mentioned "we are bigger than you" and would not be so crass as to do so.

However, it seems a favourite pass time on here to be little old Bristol, punching above their weight while all and sundry plot against them.

It is you who dish out all the "prem billy big bollocks" nonsense purely because you think it enhances your pathetic arguments.

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2 minutes ago, ciderwithtommy said:

For me you are a perfect villa fan. So confused, having read your posts it goes from penalty and goal ruled out were unfair, to we win fair and square, all in 20 minutes.  No idea why I am even replying if I’m honest, other than to clarify I hope you don’t go up, and FFP comes home to roost ASAP. 

But I didn't say the goal was ruled out unfairly - I said I couldn't tell but it seemed close.

Perhaps if you were able to read properly, you wouldn't get yourself so wound up?

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3 minutes ago, anotherdayinparadise said:

You are very childish and typical of a small club mentality.

Nobody claims we have a divine right to the PL - That is just something that is invented on here by idiots like you because it adds value to their silly claims.

I have an opinion, just like you do.  Quite why you think I can't voice it just because you don't like it, further demonstrates your small thinking mentality.

As for your pathetic insults, save them for someone who gives a flying one eh?

You are able to voice an opinion, and by the same token I am able to proffer mine; that you are a typically arrogant, self entitled Villa *****.

Your fans are hated all over the country exactly because of the way you're comporting yourself now.

Please, please **** off.

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34 minutes ago, anotherdayinparadise said:

Like your bitter fans views are neutral. 😂

Don't think I said they were. But you do realise you're on a City fans forum, do you?

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Just now, Stortz said:

You are able to voice an opinion, and by the same token I am able to proffer mine; that you are a typically arrogant, self entitled Villa *****.

Your fans are hated all over the country exactly because of the way you're comporting yourself now.

Please, please **** off.

I like being hated all over the country.

Better to be hated than to be ignored.  It makes winning games so much sweeter to know so many no marks are upset by it.

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2 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

Really hope these ***** don’t go up . Since there time in the championship they’ve lacked respect. Horrible club 

I hope they do (unless we do!). Very happy to not have to go there again next year.

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5 minutes ago, anotherdayinparadise said:

FFP is tight although not as severe as many daydreamers on here seem to think.  If we go down, Grealish will almost certainly be sold which will on it's own get rid of any FFP issues.  Our new owners have been in constant contact with the EFL to ensure that we remain within the constraints of FFP.

Contrary to silly claims on here about David v Goliath yesterday, we fielded 3 loanees, a GK who cost nothing, a RB who cost £1 million, a left back who was given to us along with some money in a player plus cash swap, a midfield that cost around £5 million and a winger who was part of a swap deal for Adama Traore.

You still think there's a chance Villa will be relegated? Must admit I can't see it myself. Which is a worry as maybe my lack of sight will propel me onto the shortlist to ref Villa's next home game!

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5 minutes ago, anotherdayinparadise said:

I have not once mentioned "we are bigger than you" and would not be so crass as to do so.

However, it seems a favourite pass time on here to be little old Bristol, punching above their weight while all and sundry plot against them.

It is you who dish out all the "prem billy big bollocks" nonsense purely because you think it enhances your pathetic arguments.

"Two nil, on your big day out......" 

Seriously, there can't be many clubs still revelling quite so evidently in something that happened in 1982.

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5 minutes ago, anotherdayinparadise said:

I have not once mentioned "we are bigger than you" and would not be so crass as to do so.

However, it seems a favourite pass time on here to be little old Bristol, punching above their weight while all and sundry plot against them.

It is you who dish out all the "prem billy big bollocks" nonsense purely because you think it enhances your pathetic arguments.

Rather than suggesting people can’t read properly, go back over your own posts and tell me you haven’t been giving out the typical ex-prem/“your small club” mentality.

the fact you can’t see it just adds to your total arrogance and lack of class

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3 minutes ago, anotherdayinparadise said:

I like being hated all over the country.

Better to be hated than to be ignored.  It makes winning games so much sweeter to know so many no marks are upset by it.

Well done you.

You still live in Birmingham though, you poor bastard.

Unlucky!

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7 minutes ago, italian dave said:

"Two nil, on your big day out......" 

Seriously, there can't be many clubs still revelling quite so evidently in something that happened in 1982.

I couldn’t wait to get back from that slum yesterday.

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13 minutes ago, anotherdayinparadise said:

But I didn't say the goal was ruled out unfairly - I said I couldn't tell but it seemed close.

Perhaps if you were able to read properly, you wouldn't get yourself so wound up?

And now you love to be hated!! Hahaha you are such an embodiment of delusion. Not hated, not admired, just nothing. 

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