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Will Steve Lansdown go for it this summer?

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We are clearly missing a creative CAM and an out and out proven striker....kodjia, assombalonga, Adams type footballer.

Will SL pay for proven quality? We progress every season and it's excellent to see.....but we do need that bit of quality that we are missing.

Will he sign proven championship quality? What are people's thoughts for this summer?

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Don't think we will ever 'go for it' in any one summer in this division, I think we will have a summer like this season once every 3 seasons to allow us to spend higher for the other 2 and raise our standard overall.

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Just now, hodge said:

Don't think we will ever 'go for it' in any one summer in this division, I think we will have a summer like this season once every 3 seasons to allow us to spend higher for the other 2 and raise our standard overall.

Will he sign proven talent?

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1 minute ago, Lez said:

Will he sign proven talent?

You don't have to sign 'proven' talent just get the right players in, was Webster a proven talent? Sheffield Utd this season have barely gone 'proven' talent either they've just got the right players in and you don't have to spend big to do it.

 

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2 minutes ago, hodge said:

You don't have to sign 'proven' talent just get the right players in, was Webster a proven talent? Sheffield Utd this season have barely gone 'proven' talent either they've just got the right players in and you don't have to spend big to do it.

 

I would argue that Webster was proven championship talent after his time at Ipswich.....same with sheff utd....mcgoldrock Hogan Steadman all proven at this level. 

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1 minute ago, Lez said:

I would argue that Webster was proven championship talent after his time at Ipswich.....same with sheff utd....mcgoldrock Hogan Steadman all proven at this level. 

There's proven to playing in the championship which I think all those class as and players like Pack etc who people on here are talking about replacing and proven talent for pushing for promotion, two different things.

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4 minutes ago, Lez said:

Will he sign proven talent?

I think we may see one or two top players coming through the door.

If we don’t go up he may realise that we need that extra bit of quality and that we will have to pay the going rate .

I believe this will be a crucial summer window because LJ may just start to get frustrated that all his efforts are in vain if the necessary investment isn’t forthcoming.

I’m not saying that he will quit but can he sustain the level of performance if there is a seed of  doubt that once again it will all be for nothing ? 

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4 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

I think we may see one or two top players coming through the door.

If we don’t go up he may realise that we need that extra bit of quality and that we will have to pay the going rate .

I believe this will be a crucial summer window because LJ may just start to get frustrated that all his efforts are in vain if the necessary investment isn’t forthcoming.

I’m not saying that he will quit but can he sustain the level of performance if there is a seed of  doubt that once again it will all be for nothing ? 

I think this sums it up nicely.

One or two top championship talent to supplement what we have. Not an overhaul that would be wrong but we are overachieving considering our squad.

Defensively we are fine. Out wide we are fine. In cm we are generally ok.

But we are missing a top class striker. And a creative force in CAM. Two quality additions will make a huge difference and support our upward progression 

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All the loanees will go including Kalas, plus anyone else who will get a few bob in;

We will then re-build and "go again" we must also give them much time to gel and the xmas window will also be needed to fine tune things.

We will not bring in any championship quality for those positions that we have been desperate to fill for many seasons now; we will also no doubt go down the loan road and repeat over the coming seasons again and again, building for the future but knocking it down before we get anywhere.

This season again will show we lack the ambition to make a forward move when in a great position, just like last season.

I know many have hope still, but its not reality.

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reckon LJ has done enough this season to really put us in a good position to get those 3 or 4 difference maker players. 

Striker, creative midfielder, right back and keeper. 

The profile of our club has never been higher than it has in the last few years. Perhaps now we can get these types of players to buy into Bristol City 

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7 minutes ago, Lez said:

I think this sums it up nicely.

One or two top championship talent to supplement what we have. Not an overhaul that would be wrong but we are overachieving considering our squad.

Defensively we are fine. Out wide we are fine. In cm we are generally ok.

But we are missing a top class striker. And a creative force in CAM. Two quality additions will make a huge difference and support our upward progression 

our squad will be descimated close season, then we will build again.

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37 minutes ago, hodge said:

You don't have to sign 'proven' talent just get the right players in, was Webster a proven talent? Sheffield Utd this season have barely gone 'proven' talent either they've just got the right players in and you don't have to spend big to do it.

 

Agree. It’s why our scouting network needs to be the best it can be. At least we seem to be getting away from too many ones for the future and punts on foreigners 

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Doubt it. More punts I reckon. Will take at least one more bottled season for Lansdown to actually realise you need to spend big in certain positions.

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1 hour ago, Lez said:

We are clearly missing a creative CAM and an out and out proven striker....kodjia, assombalonga, Adams type footballer.

Will SL pay for proven quality? We progress every season and it's excellent to see.....but we do need that bit of quality that we are missing.

Will he sign proven championship quality? What are people's thoughts for this summer?

Nope.

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This summer, and after any season we play well, will be spent replacing lost talent rather than strengthening.

 

Pointless building slowly over a number of seasons when teams from the league above get £20m or whatever to spend. 

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No he won’t in my opinion. I don’t think he’s ever really gone for it and not convinced he will start now. Besides, LJ (in SL eyes) is probably doing well enough to convince SL that we don’t need to spend and that a couple of tweaks will do it rather than an all out spend. 

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In January we were in for one of Assombolonga and Hogan.

The latter has actually done not a lot at Sheffield United- Madine has outperformed him by far in direct comparisons.

Assombalonga however? Cannot help but think, and it would have been a risk but a calculated one plus down to Middlesbrough too, that we should have properly rolled the dice and paid what they were asking for him on loan.

Undoubtedly would have brought a new dimension. I am big on FFP but in this instance stick or twist? I say twist- should've rolled that dice!

 

 

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3 hours ago, Lez said:

We are clearly missing a creative CAM and an out and out proven striker....kodjia, assombalonga, Adams type footballer.

Will SL pay for proven quality? We progress every season and it's excellent to see.....but we do need that bit of quality that we are missing.

Will he sign proven championship quality? What are people's thoughts for this summer?

Absolutely no chance 

I'm still amazed at the people who think we were actually in for Hogan and Assembongla (or whatever his name is)

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5 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

Absolutely no chance 

I'm still amazed at the people who think we were actually in for Hogan and Assembongla (or whatever his name is)

Then be amazed because many people in the game have reported that we were. 

How seriously or at what price we don’t know for sure although there was a figure flying around for BA ( Britt Assombalonga not British Airways ! ) 

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32 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

Then be amazed because many people in the game have reported that we were. 

How seriously or at what price we don’t know for sure although there was a figure flying around for BA ( Britt Assombalonga not British Airways ! ) 

I just don't see it happening 

I can see us trying to get Kalas and Da Silva....but, let's be honest....the philosophy they have been using has seen us improve year on year, so why would he change it now? 

I'd love to see it....just don't hold your breath . I've heard this 'people in the game...' nonsense to...but, never hear some actual credible sources

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We need new talent but with that we need ideas, today a perfect example, win a couple of really good games not exposing famara so much as a lone forward, then two games the momentum is lost again, we have the players and they have to be better deployed!

theres speed and energy being wasted sitting behind the dugout, a couple of really good players needing nothing more than experience which they won’t get as long as we trot out tired or disinterested players.

We will be extremely lucky to end up top 6 the way things are at the moment, we have seen some excellent crossing from Substitutes, we have a midfield that can’t pass or hold the ball most of the time, midfielders on the bench or not selected at all, impact subs brilliant but not where we need them!

Morrell, Semenjo and Palmer wasted here, Walsh did not do too bad today but why was Watkins on the bench? Certainly a player that’s shown no promise here

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I don’t think SL has ever really refused to back LJ, but LJ knows SL’s limits and hasn’t asked for what he knows he won’t get.

However it looks like LJ will have delivered what he was told to, to finish in a higher position than we did last season, after selling three first team regulars as we know. I think LJ will now go to SL and say he has secured decent loan players this season and recruited well.

If the remit next year is again to finish higher than this year ( I think we will be 7th or 8th this season) then LJ has every right to expect to bring in ready made quality, which probably means as big of an investment as we’ve ever made, which against many of the teams we count as rivals isn’t much. Saying that teams like Preston are only two wins behind us and have spent almost nothing I don’t think. 

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5 hours ago, Bri Stool City said:

our squad will be descimated close season, then we will build again.

Interested to see why you think this

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57 minutes ago, RedM said:

I don’t think SL has ever really refused to back LJ, but LJ knows SL’s limits and hasn’t asked for what he knows he won’t get.

However it looks like LJ will have delivered what he was told to, to finish in a higher position than we did last season, after selling three first team regulars as we know. I think LJ will now go to SL and say he has secured decent loan players this season and recruited well.

If the remit next year is again to finish higher than this year ( I think we will be 7th or 8th this season) then LJ has every right to expect to bring in ready made quality, which probably means as big of an investment as we’ve ever made, which against many of the teams we count as rivals isn’t much. Saying that teams like Preston are only two wins behind us and have spent almost nothing I don’t think. 

I'm not sure we need huge investment, I don't think we'll spend more than £15m give or take, I just think our outgoings will be smaller this year and we'll bring in less players but of a higher standard.

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Not a chance . We have a model and they will stick with it . Shame as where only a couple of class players away from top three 

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I can't see us changing our model that is giving results, what that model actually is following the purchase of Webster, Hunt, Watkins last season I'm not as sure as I once was. I assume its still players at a resellable age that are as high quality as possible for a price we can afford. 

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57 minutes ago, RedM said:

I don’t think SL has ever really refused to back LJ, but LJ knows SL’s limits and hasn’t asked for what he knows he won’t get.

However it looks like LJ will have delivered what he was told to, to finish in a higher position than we did last season, after selling three first team regulars as we know. I think LJ will now go to SL and say he has secured decent loan players this season and recruited well.

If the remit next year is again to finish higher than this year ( I think we will be 7th or 8th this season) then LJ has every right to expect to bring in ready made quality, which probably means as big of an investment as we’ve ever made, which against many of the teams we count as rivals isn’t much. Saying that teams like Preston are only two wins behind us and have spent almost nothing I don’t think. 

Excellent points RedM.............:thumbsup:

SL puts heavy demands on his senior employees and expects them to implement his strategy and so far LJ has delivered....but surely SL knows that at some point LJ will have achieved all he can within said strategy and will need a war chest to strengthen in certain areas.

The issue won’t necessarily be the fee but the wages..........better quality players demand higher wages........and that can open a can of worms within any squad.

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1 hour ago, RedM said:

I don’t think SL has ever really refused to back LJ, but LJ knows SL’s limits and hasn’t asked for what he knows he won’t get.

However it looks like LJ will have delivered what he was told to, to finish in a higher position than we did last season, after selling three first team regulars as we know. I think LJ will now go to SL and say he has secured decent loan players this season and recruited well.

If the remit next year is again to finish higher than this year ( I think we will be 7th or 8th this season) then LJ has every right to expect to bring in ready made quality, which probably means as big of an investment as we’ve ever made, which against many of the teams we count as rivals isn’t much. Saying that teams like Preston are only two wins behind us and have spent almost nothing I don’t think. 

This is a good point.

SL said at beginning of season the aim is to improve the league position. I agree 7th or 8th is most likely, meaning we will have to invest in order to progress....especially with a new crop of teams going down and therefore more clubs in receipt of parachute payments.

A top quality striker to build on what we have plus a couple more would suffice....but it is needed without question.

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8 hours ago, Lez said:

We are clearly missing a creative CAM and an out and out proven striker....kodjia, assombalonga, Adams type footballer.

Will SL pay for proven quality? We progress every season and it's excellent to see.....but we do need that bit of quality that we are missing.

Will he sign proven championship quality? What are people's thoughts for this summer?

No Mate, he won't.

We are a selling club. A club like ...Villa for example are a forward thinking club -  Kodja,  Adomah, Abraham -  each of which used to wear our shirt ...

...Premier league under Lansdown ? that is doubtful, I am afraid. Much easier and safer for him to run as a Championship club, that's why we sell our best players during the summer.

Its a plaything, and its not his ambition to run a premier league club... and to have to deal with big agents and big fees. 

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Can see him investing another £15-20m this summer but this time, on quality/proven players ie expect us to sign only three, possibly four players for this money

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8 hours ago, Lez said:

We are clearly missing a creative CAM and an out and out proven striker....kodjia, assombalonga, Adams type footballer.

Will SL pay for proven quality? We progress every season and it's excellent to see.....but we do need that bit of quality that we are missing.

Will he sign proven championship quality? What are people's thoughts for this summer?

Will we ****... the reason I haven't

 renewed this season..... Happy to tread water IMO

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2 minutes ago, Loosey Boy said:

Can see him investing another £15-20m this summer but this time, on quality/proven players ie expect us to sign only three, possibly four players for this money

I would be happy with that 

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16 minutes ago, Eastendboy1965 said:

No Mate, he won't.

We are a selling club. A club like ...Villa for example are a forward thinking club -  Kodja,  Adomah, Abraham -  each of which used to wear our shirt ...

...Premier league under Lansdown ? that is doubtful, I am afraid. Much easier and safer for him to run as a Championship club, that's why we sell our best players during the summer.

Its a plaything, and its not his ambition to run a premier league club... and to have to deal with big agents and big fees. 

Spend beyond your means in hope of making your way back to the promised land is forward thinking? If they don't go up this season they're apparently a good £20m down on what will be needed to meet FFP and will have to sell at least Grealish if not more. I would rather take our approach than theirs anytime.

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9 hours ago, Lez said:

We are clearly missing a creative CAM and an out and out proven striker....kodjia, assombalonga, Adams type footballer.

Will SL pay for proven quality? We progress every season and it's excellent to see.....but we do need that bit of quality that we are missing.

Will he sign proven championship quality? What are people's thoughts for this summer?

No.

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51 minutes ago, Eastendboy1965 said:

No Mate, he won't.

We are a selling club. A club like ...Villa for example are a forward thinking club -  Kodja,  Adomah, Abraham -  each of which used to wear our shirt ...

...Premier league under Lansdown ? that is doubtful, I am afraid. Much easier and safer for him to run as a Championship club, that's why we sell our best players during the summer.

Its a plaything, and its not his ambition to run a premier league club... and to have to deal with big agents and big fees. 

Aston Villa, former League champions, former European Champions, biggest club in the country’s second biggest city, capable of averaging 40k+ plus in the top division....yet currently 5th in the Championship in their third consecutive season in the second tier and very nearly went into administration this season.

Is that where “forward thinking” gets you?

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8 hours ago, Bri Stool City said:

All the loanees will go including Kalas, plus anyone else who will get a few bob in;

We will then re-build and "go again" we must also give them much time to gel and the xmas window will also be needed to fine tune things.

We will not bring in any championship quality for those positions that we have been desperate to fill for many seasons now; we will also no doubt go down the loan road and repeat over the coming seasons again and again, building for the future but knocking it down before we get anywhere.

This season again will show we lack the ambition to make a forward move when in a great position, just like last season.

I know many have hope still, but its not reality.

League One 12th

League One 1st

Championship 18th

Championship 17th

Championship 11th

Championship 7th

...And all while working with a moderate budget.

Let me know when you spot the trend. Is that the trajectory of a club “knocking it down before we get anywhere”?

The facts show that any “knocking down” we have done in the past six years has brought about an improvement in League position the following year.

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7 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

League One 12th

League One 1st

Championship 18th

Championship 17th

Championship 11th

Championship 7th

...And all while working with a moderate budget.

Let me know when you spot the trend. Is that the trajectory of a club “knocking it down before we get anywhere”?

The facts show that any “knocking down” we have done in the past six years has brought about an improvement in League position the following year.

And then there comes the moment when you hit the ceiling and have to alter the plans or you go backwards. 

We are at that point in my opinion.

Fighting above your weight can only last so long before it finally gets too much and the walls come tumbling down.

 

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7 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

League One 12th

League One 1st

Championship 18th

Championship 17th

Championship 11th

Championship 7th

...And all while working with a moderate budget.

Let me know when you spot the trend. Is that the trajectory of a club “knocking it down before we get anywhere”?

The facts show that any “knocking down” we have done in the past six years has brought about an improvement in League position the following year.

You've illustrated your point very well there. 

It does lead us however to the question of what is needed now to keep improving on that.

Lets say Kalas and DaSilva go elsewhere and Kelly and Semenyo get their transfers, what will be needed then?

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18 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

And then there comes the moment when you hit the ceiling and have to alter the plans or you go backwards. 

We are at that point in my opinion.

Fighting above your weight can only last so long before it finally gets too much and the walls come tumbling down.

 

I agree that that can definitely happen, but I can’t see how being 1 point off the play off places with a game in hand confirms that we have “hit our ceiling” just yet. 

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14 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

And then there comes the moment when you hit the ceiling and have to alter the plans or you go backwards. 

We are at that point in my opinion.

Fighting above your weight can only last so long before it finally gets too much and the walls come tumbling down.

 

Could not agree more Major.

I give the squad and coaches full credit this season, if we do fall short of the top 6 it has been a tremendous effort but the next step, if we need to make it, is the hardest and that requires investment and stability.

I have said previously if we just miss out on promotion I suspect our HC will be looking for that investment, should that not be forthcoming I suspect he will consider his options - it is going to be hugely difficult to deliver continuous improvement without investment.

I am not LJ’s biggest fan BUT, despite some crucial and potentially costly miscalculations, he HAS done well this season, that will have been noted elsewhere and he is hugely ambitious, and rightly so.

Whatever happens over the next few weeks it’s going to be a very interesting summer.

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8 hours ago, KeepUpLino said:

Will we ****... the reason I haven't

 renewed this season..... Happy to tread water IMO

Interesting, can I ask if you renewed last season when we finished lower than this season, or the year before when we again finished lower, or the year before when again we finished lower... 

If you aren't renewing after the 2nd best season in the clubs recent history then I really don't know what you're doing supporting us... 

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8 hours ago, Eastendboy1965 said:

No Mate, he won't.

We are a selling club. A club like ...Villa for example are a forward thinking club -  Kodja,  Adomah, Abraham -  each of which used to wear our shirt ...

...Premier league under Lansdown ? that is doubtful, I am afraid. Much easier and safer for him to run as a Championship club, that's why we sell our best players during the summer.

Its a plaything, and its not his ambition to run a premier league club... and to have to deal with big agents and big fees. 

Aston villa a forward thinking club? The club that has spent over 100 million on transfer fees alone to fail to get out of the championship? 

As for Lansdown not wanting us to go up, I've never quite understood why people say that. It's complete rubbish

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I think Lansdown and the club will be more ambitious with its signings but it won’t break the bank. I think the stance SL is taking with FFP with other clubs/chairman will drive/dictate that. 

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