Bristol Rob Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 Is he injured or did he go out on loan? Seem to recall we signed him from Scunny, he got injured pre season and then vanished off the face of the earth. Just wondering what became of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Bristol Rob said: Is he injured or did he go out on loan? Seem to recall we signed him from Scunny, he got injured pre season and then vanished off the face of the earth. Just wondering what became of him. Another "one for the future". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider red Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 From what I've seen this season he's not technically up to the championship....yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 Another player who would have been far better off staying where he was. With hindsight of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 He was terrible from the little we saw from him. Hopefully down to injuries etc. Maybe with a good pre season we may see the best of him next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordie Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Super said: He was terrible from the little we saw from him. Hopefully down to injuries etc. Maybe with a god pre season we may see the best of him next season. If he has god on his side he may well still make it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, Super said: He was terrible from the little we saw from him. Hopefully down to injuries etc. Maybe with a god pre season we may see the best of him next season. I wouldn’t say terrible. He was very average the games he has played, but he has struggled with injuries and lack of game time. Think a pre-season could do him well, and even a loan in league one for half a season too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 29 minutes ago, YorkshireSection said: Another "one for the future". ‘Still developing, needs time...’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 He was dreadful at Leeds although looked slightly better in the other couple of games he was involved in. He's still only young so has plenty of time to improve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 Why are people mocking our young players policy? Youngsters improve usually. He is very raw and I’m sure he will get better and more accustomed to what we need. We either sign these players young and help them improve or we throw money at older players. I know what I would rather happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Wood Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, JBFC II said: He was dreadful at Leeds although looked slightly better in the other couple of games he was involved in. He's still only young so has plenty of time to improve He's 23 in June is that really that young these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 His development has been stalled for a year- his potential resale value also diminished. One possible explanation for his lack of gametime is financial. Another is technical. As we know, though we got him on a fee, we actually owed Scunthorpe compensation . Took until late February- early March for it to be settled. Us playing him regularly, or at this stage more realistically loaning him to a good League One side. Well if he shone, then his value would increase- the cost to us would increase. Scunthorpe would be less likely to accept our offer and it may go to a tribunal- if it goes to a tribunal then we don't know how much we would have to pay, they would decide albeit both sides would put their case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 I think it’s important to note that we saw nothing of Eliasson last season as we were developing him. He now looks pretty reasonable. IF the same thing happens to HA then all is well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, RedDave said: Why are people mocking our young players policy? Youngsters improve usually. He is very raw and I’m sure he will get better and more accustomed to what we need. We either sign these players young and help them improve or we throw money at older players. I know what I would rather happen. Exactly this. We are not going to throw money at stupid prices and wages on older players as you generally won't find any value. Obviously some won't make the cut but if we find a few gems then that is job done. The ones who seem to constantly take the pee out of "one for the future" don't seem to realise how you have to become sustainable to operate - and that isn't chucking money non stop chasing the dream (Brum, QPR, Sheff Weds, Villa etc etc). Nothing to say Adulkan won't make it in the Championship just yet after a handful of appearances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Robin Wood said: He's 23 in June is that really that young these days Considering he came from the League below and would need time to adapt to this league, then yes it is young and he has plenty of time on his side. COD, Brownhill, Eliasson were no great shakes when they first came here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalcub Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 From what i saw of him he was better than semenyo , however lj likes to ghost a player or two so he hasnt been near the squad for a while ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, RedDave said: Why are people mocking our young players policy? Youngsters improve usually. He is very raw and I’m sure he will get better and more accustomed to what we need. We either sign these players young and help them improve or we throw money at older players. I know what I would rather happen. This is the LJ/SL strategy. Some will come off such as Brownhill, O'Dowda, and Eliasson. I would even put Webster in the "buy them young and develop them" category. Same if we can get Dasilva and whatever we do with Academy products like Kelly, Vyner and Semenyo. SOD was charged to do the same thing, but struggled with the results. However nearly half of our first team players last season had got their starts with us under him, including Bryan & Reid. If you add in Flint's transfer fee to those two, that's a tidy near £20 million profit just there, so within the limits of FFP, it's hard to argue that it's not a sensible choice. Top up with some judicious loans and you may be able to create a half decent team at significantly less cost. And it's hardly a new strategy. The all conquering Liverpool team of the 70s was usually made up of home grown players and youngsters plucked from obscurity e.g. Keegan, Hansen etc. The one big buy they did make, which was inspired, was Dalglish to replace Keegan. Whether Adelakun or Eisa will make it at this level, we will have to wait and see, but in the scheme of things, the outlays both in fees and wages are not huge, so they are hardly a huge gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dr Balls said: This is the LJ/SL strategy. Some will come off such as Brownhill, O'Dowda, and Eliasson. I would even put Webster in the "buy them young and develop them" category. Same if we can get Dasilva and whatever we do with Academy products like Kelly, Vyner and Semenyo. SOD was charged to do the same thing, but struggled with the results. However nearly half of our first team players last season had got their starts with us under him, including Bryan & Reid. If you add in Flint's transfer fee to those two, that's a tidy near £20 million profit just there, so within the limits of FFP, it's hard to argue that it's not a sensible choice. Top up with some judicious loans and you may be able to create a half decent team at significantly less cost. And it's hardly a new strategy. The all conquering Liverpool team of the 70s was usually made up of home grown players and youngsters plucked from obscurity e.g. Keegan, Hansen etc. The one big buy they did make, which was inspired, was Dalglish to replace Keegan. Whether Adelakun or Eisa will make it at this level, we will have to wait and see, but in the scheme of things, the outlays both in fees and wages are not huge, so they are hardly a huge gamble. Exactly. People have written off Taylor Moore after seeing a few minutes of him a couple of years ago. Jury is obviously still out but I see him being a top Championship centre back in a couple of years as he will keep improving. We are getting a lot more right than wrong for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Robin Wood said: He's 23 in June is that really that young these days I believe so for this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Cider red said: From what I've seen this season he's not technically up to the championship....yet What happens when we reach the Prem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenaldo Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 Tbh should of just loaned him straight back to Scunthorpe or whoever and Eisa to Peterborough (who were desperate to sign him) maybe just half a season. Anyway either may pop off in the playoff final and get us up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dullmoan Tone Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 3 hours ago, JBFC II said: He was dreadful at Leeds although looked slightly better in the other couple of games he was involved in. He's still only young so has plenty of time to improve I didn't go to Leeds, but did at Ipswich, and he did not have a good game at all - his touch completely let him down, decision making was too slow and he was subbed early. There are plenty of players at his age who are stepping up in the Championship - I think it goes to show what a tough standard it is. There were always glimpses with Eliasson but the jury is out here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 People forget that last season's top Opta rated players from League 1 that is the most consistent performers were the much touted Jack Marriott from Peterborough and second on that list was Hakeeb Adelakun There is more to come from him, a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 4 hours ago, wood_red said: Considering he came from the League below and would need time to adapt to this league, then yes it is young and he has plenty of time on his side. COD, Brownhill, Eliasson were no great shakes when they first came here. Agree, plus he was out injured long term at the start of the season which will have delayed his progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Robin Wood said: He's 23 in June is that really that young these days Not if you play for Ajax! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 hours ago, joenaldo said: Tbh should of just loaned him straight back to Scunthorpe or whoever and Eisa to Peterborough (who were desperate to sign him) maybe just half a season. Anyway either may pop off in the playoff final and get us up How would that have affected the fee we had to pay for him though? I believe it was a factor for the club. Bear in mind that though he was signed on a free, his age and the fact he was offered a contract meant we had to compensate Scunthorpe. It took until first week of March for this to be agreed. Had he been tearing up League One, would this not have risked proving more costly to us? Financially- Scunthorpe would have pushed and pushed and it would likely have gone to a Tribunal to independently set the fee. OTOH, would that have been worth it had his development not been quite likely stalled for a season? This is just one of the trade-offs a club has to consider now. Read a range of figures from £425k-£1m. Actual fee seems to be undisclosed but those were the speculated figures. Quote Scunthorpe United can announce that compensation has been agreed with Bristol City for Hakeeb Adelakun, avoiding the need to go to a tribunal. The attacking midfielder made a total of 169 appearances for the Iron over a six-year spell, including 60 league starts, scoring a total of 20 goals. We would like to take the opportunity to place on record our thanks for Hakeeb’s efforts while with the club, and wish him all the best for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 I think the other game he played was Stoke where I thought he did ok, showed willingness to come off either wing and can use either foot. He is one I hope can have a good pre-season as this year he got injured in a behind closed doors game v Yeovil and was out for 12-14 weeks. Missing pre-season is difficult to catch up. Plus all of the comments above the keeping compensation payment down!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, swanker said: Not if you play for Ajax! I have mentioned in another post that Ajax have finally realised that they needed experienced heads to help out their talented youngsters and they are now reaping the benefits. Age has nothing to do with skill but experience has a helluva lot to do with maximising skill . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: I have mentioned in another post that Ajax have finally realised that they needed experienced heads to help out their talented youngsters and they are now reaping the benefits. Age has nothing to do with skill but experience has a helluva lot to do with maximising skill . like the Ajax side under Van Gaal. Full of kids with Danny Blind pulling the strings in the midfield. Fantastic side that hardly ever lost and won two European cups. This new lot look half tidy as well. It will be interesting to see how Spurs get on against them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 10 hours ago, Bristol Rob said: Is he injured or did he go out on loan? Seem to recall we signed him from Scunny, he got injured pre season and then vanished off the face of the earth. Just wondering what became of him. Another mo Eisa or Engvald i would imagine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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