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22 minutes ago, BetterRedthenBlue said:

The offence is ABH  "According to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), the offence of ABH is committed ‘when a person intentionally or recklessly assaults another… causing actual bodily harm’."

From the prosecutions case today Barton was intent on getting into a scrap with Stendel (or a pushing match) which caused Stendel to fall off balance and hit the side of the tunnel causing injury including the tooth coming loose from the bone. 

This seems like it'll be a category 3 (although could be a stage 2). 

"The sentencing guidelines for ABH fall into three categories, with 

Category 1 is the most serious and involving greater harm and high culpability. 

Category 2 involves either more significant harm but lower culpability or lesser harm and higher culpability

Category 3 involves lesser harm and lower culpability."

Given Joey's past History it could honestly go either way if he's found guilty he could be locked up or given another suspended sentence 

Good points.

The Crown doesn't have to prove intent for an ABH conviction, just casuality of the injury, even through transferred malice, or recklessness.

I.e if you threw a stone at a window to cause damage; and it rebounded into someone's face causing injury, you would still be done for assault; as you were doing an inherently criminal act.

The fact that Stendel's back was turned away from Barton kind of negates the defence of self defence.

I think his defence counsel knows that he's on a hiding to nothing with this case, particulary as it's been witnessed by independents.

Then again, Stokes got off ( Due to a massive CPS blunder). So anything is possible. 

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25 minutes ago, BetterRedthenBlue said:

The offence is ABH  "According to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), the offence of ABH is committed ‘when a person intentionally or recklessly assaults another… causing actual bodily harm’."

From the prosecutions case today Barton was intent on getting into a scrap with Stendel (or a pushing match) which caused Stendel to fall off balance and hit the side of the tunnel causing injury including the tooth coming loose from the bone. 

This seems like it'll be a category 3 (although could be a stage 2). 

"The sentencing guidelines for ABH fall into three categories, with 

Category 1 is the most serious and involving greater harm and high culpability. 

Category 2 involves either more significant harm but lower culpability or lesser harm and higher culpability

Category 3 involves lesser harm and lower culpability."

Given Joey's past History it could honestly go either way if he's found guilty he could be locked up or given another suspended sentence 

Thanks BRB 👍🏼

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2 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said:

He has a record of violent crime. Agreed.

It's not like it's a one off out of character event. Agreed.

But this current offence is surely less serious than the previous one (OK, previous two or three or four....😁)

2 hours ago, NcnsBcfc said:

Whilst i agree @TomF that the max sentence for a S47 ABH is up to 5 years; you need to realise that Barton has already had custodial sentences for like offences.

With that in mind, the non-custodial options open to the sentencing judge will be somewhat limited.

Any sentence under 2 years can be suspended, and that is of course what his defence counsel would push for in the event of a jury verdict.

The amount of bad character against him, will play a big part; if it is his case that it was self defence.

 

My understanding is that JB has simply pleaded Not Guilty, i.e. not even that the alleged offence was committed in self defence.

2 hours ago, NcnsBcfc said:

I doubt it's a category 3 offence. More like a 2, down to the level of injury. A chipped tooth?

Even within thise categories you have A,B & C levels.

Even it is finally classed as a Category 2 (for a push?), and notwithstanding aggravating factors such as, inter alia, previous convictions, surely this is a case of both Lower Harm and Lesser Culpability. 

My bet is 12 months suspended (maximum).

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Taking into account his previous convictions for violent offences and his “not guilty” plea I would be somewhat surprised if he wasn’t jailed if he is indeed found guilty.

No suspended sentence nonsense please - JUST SEND HIM DOWN!

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Also, the fact that he is well known will go against him. Courts have a tendency to be less lenient when sentencing high profile cases. You never know though - he might be acquitted - although few on this forum seem to be considering the possibility that he didn’t do it!

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49 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

But this current offence is surely less serious than the previous one (OK, previous two or three or four....😁)

My understanding is that JB has simply pleaded Not Guilty, i.e. not even that the alleged offence was committed in self defence.

My bet is 12 months suspended (maximum).

Prior to the start of the trial, his defence team would have had to serve a DCS (Defence case statement) outlining what his defence/issue is with the indictment (charge). In that way, all parties know what the issues are in advance.

I'm guessing; but given it was on CCTV and witnessed; he will go down the route of it being accidental; and he stumbled forward whilst trying to stop himself.  Or some other creative defence like that.

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32 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

Barfon would have an arse like a dustbin if he goes down. He would be someone's bitch in seconds!

He wouldn’t, though, would he?

He is ‘quIte’ hard himself and has money.

He also has influential ‘friends’, including a convicted Police killer.

Should he be imprisoned, which I doubt, he will no doubt be feted by his fellow prisoners.

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1 hour ago, NcnsBcfc said:

Prior to the start of the trial, his defence team would have had to serve a DCS (Defence case statement) outlining what his defence/issue is with the indictment (charge). In that way, all parties know what the issues are in advance.

I'm guessing; but given it was on CCTV and witnessed; he will go down the route of it being accidental; and he stumbled forward whilst trying to stop himself.  Or some other creative defence like that.

À propos creative defences, I am sure you recall Sir Alex Ferguson’s totally credible excuse for speeding/driving on the hard shoulder of a motorway, i.e. he had an extreme case of diahorrea (spelling) and was desperate to get to a toilet.
He was acquitted.

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15 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

He wouldn’t, though, would he?

He is ‘quIte’ hard himself and has money.

He also has influential ‘friends’, including a convicted Police killer.

Should he be imprisoned, which I doubt, he will no doubt be feted by his fellow prisoners.

Yep someone will be holding his pocket walking around 

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28 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

He wouldn’t, though, would he?

He is ‘quIte’ hard himself and has money.

He also has influential ‘friends’, including a convicted Police killer.

Should he be imprisoned, which I doubt, he will no doubt be feted by his fellow prisoners.

With his arrogance? Can't see it.

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11 minutes ago, fgrsimon said:

Astonishing Lansdown meltdown / Playing the victims from user 'gulfofaden' on GasChat

Akin to terrorism mind!

Lansdown hasn’t just been a benefactor to city, which he is entitled to do, but he’s also been antagonistic to Rovers on any occasion he can to win favour with his fan base including the Matt Taylor saga which given the fact we got the exact release fee (which was supposed to be confidential) is akin to terrorism in football terms.

He’s also putting posters on the Glocs road, getting his sponsors to ridicule us through postal campaigns and trying very hard to get a club who for much of his life was a giant firm of bedminster hooligans who regularly smashed up our ground and attacked and threatened our players pegged as some “family club”. They have some normal fans of course but also a giant contingent on cocaine and cider addled specimens which dwarf, and have always dwarfed, ours, even pro rata.

You think he couldn’t see all that victimisation and violence in the 80s and 90s? Was he blind? Of course he wasn’t my. That’s fine, he can still bankroll the club but to do so, and still pander to those guys and continually harrass and target us knowing full well the asymmetric history between us, is beneath contempt.

It wasn’t 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. It was grown men targeting families and players in their own homes.

If he had adopted the attitude of “City is my club,
Good luck to Rovers but I hope we are always above them” then I would have all the time in the world for him.

He didn’t, he, like a playground bully, has been sadistic and provocative in swinging his weight around, to a club he knows can’t really fight back.

And the reason for this? The heinous crime which caused this ire?

We used to beat them a lot, before. When we were in dire straights and on paper we shouldn’t have.

That’s it. That’s what all this is about.

https://gaschat.co.uk/thread/18097/bristol-owner-steve-lansdown-writes?page=2

 

 

Signing Matty Taylor = "akin to terrorism"

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14 minutes ago, fgrsimon said:

Astonishing Lansdown meltdown / Playing the victims from user 'gulfofaden' on GasChat

Akin to terrorism mind!

Lansdown hasn’t just been a benefactor to city, which he is entitled to do, but he’s also been antagonistic to Rovers on any occasion he can to win favour with his fan base including the Matt Taylor saga which given the fact we got the exact release fee (which was supposed to be confidential) is akin to terrorism in football terms.

He’s also putting posters on the Glocs road, getting his sponsors to ridicule us through postal campaigns and trying very hard to get a club who for much of his life was a giant firm of bedminster hooligans who regularly smashed up our ground and attacked and threatened our players pegged as some “family club”. They have some normal fans of course but also a giant contingent on cocaine and cider addled specimens which dwarf, and have always dwarfed, ours, even pro rata.

You think he couldn’t see all that victimisation and violence in the 80s and 90s? Was he blind? Of course he wasn’t my. That’s fine, he can still bankroll the club but to do so, and still pander to those guys and continually harrass and target us knowing full well the asymmetric history between us, is beneath contempt.

It wasn’t 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. It was grown men targeting families and players in their own homes.

If he had adopted the attitude of “City is my club,
Good luck to Rovers but I hope we are always above them” then I would have all the time in the world for him.

He didn’t, he, like a playground bully, has been sadistic and provocative in swinging his weight around, to a club he knows can’t really fight back.

And the reason for this? The heinous crime which caused this ire?

We used to beat them a lot, before. When we were in dire straights and on paper we shouldn’t have.

That’s it. That’s what all this is about.

https://gaschat.co.uk/thread/18097/bristol-owner-steve-lansdown-writes?page=2

 

Every bit of that is fiction, absolutely no truth or proof of any of it. Just a total fabricated rant by a supporter of a team that couldn't win a raffle.

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17 minutes ago, fgrsimon said:

Astonishing Lansdown meltdown / Playing the victims from user 'gulfofaden' on GasChat

Akin to terrorism mind!

Lansdown hasn’t just been a benefactor to city, which he is entitled to do, but he’s also been antagonistic to Rovers on any occasion he can to win favour with his fan base including the Matt Taylor saga which given the fact we got the exact release fee (which was supposed to be confidential) is akin to terrorism in football terms.

He’s also putting posters on the Glocs road, getting his sponsors to ridicule us through postal campaigns and trying very hard to get a club who for much of his life was a giant firm of bedminster hooligans who regularly smashed up our ground and attacked and threatened our players pegged as some “family club”. They have some normal fans of course but also a giant contingent on cocaine and cider addled specimens which dwarf, and have always dwarfed, ours, even pro rata.

You think he couldn’t see all that victimisation and violence in the 80s and 90s? Was he blind? Of course he wasn’t my. That’s fine, he can still bankroll the club but to do so, and still pander to those guys and continually harrass and target us knowing full well the asymmetric history between us, is beneath contempt.

It wasn’t 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. It was grown men targeting families and players in their own homes.

If he had adopted the attitude of “City is my club,
Good luck to Rovers but I hope we are always above them” then I would have all the time in the world for him.

He didn’t, he, like a playground bully, has been sadistic and provocative in swinging his weight around, to a club he knows can’t really fight back.

And the reason for this? The heinous crime which caused this ire?

We used to beat them a lot, before. When we were in dire straights and on paper we shouldn’t have.

That’s it. That’s what all this is about.

https://gaschat.co.uk/thread/18097/bristol-owner-steve-lansdown-writes?page=2

 

We have some "normal" fans? 

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15 minutes ago, fgrsimon said:

Astonishing Lansdown meltdown / Playing the victims from user 'gulfofaden' on GasChat

Akin to terrorism mind!

Lansdown hasn’t just been a benefactor to city, which he is entitled to do, but he’s also been antagonistic to Rovers on any occasion he can to win favour with his fan base including the Matt Taylor saga which given the fact we got the exact release fee (which was supposed to be confidential) is akin to terrorism in football terms.

He’s also putting posters on the Glocs road, getting his sponsors to ridicule us through postal campaigns and trying very hard to get a club who for much of his life was a giant firm of bedminster hooligans who regularly smashed up our ground and attacked and threatened our players pegged as some “family club”. They have some normal fans of course but also a giant contingent on cocaine and cider addled specimens which dwarf, and have always dwarfed, ours, even pro rata.

You think he couldn’t see all that victimisation and violence in the 80s and 90s? Was he blind? Of course he wasn’t my. That’s fine, he can still bankroll the club but to do so, and still pander to those guys and continually harrass and target us knowing full well the asymmetric history between us, is beneath contempt.

It wasn’t 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. It was grown men targeting families and players in their own homes.

If he had adopted the attitude of “City is my club,
Good luck to Rovers but I hope we are always above them” then I would have all the time in the world for him.

He didn’t, he, like a playground bully, has been sadistic and provocative in swinging his weight around, to a club he knows can’t really fight back.

And the reason for this? The heinous crime which caused this ire?

We used to beat them a lot, before. When we were in dire straights and on paper we shouldn’t have.

That’s it. That’s what all this is about.

https://gaschat.co.uk/thread/18097/bristol-owner-steve-lansdown-writes?page=2

 

Is that the top secret Matty Taylor ‘release fee’ that those ******* idiots were talking openly about on their forum for months before we signed him?

The top secret Matty Taylor release fee that was posted in 2 national newspapers?

The rest of that post is just typical Sag whinging.

He/she is right about their inability to fight back though....spineless from top to bottom.

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43 minutes ago, fgrsimon said:

Astonishing Lansdown meltdown / Playing the victims from user 'gulfofaden' on GasChat

Akin to terrorism mind!

Lansdown hasn’t just been a benefactor to city, which he is entitled to do, but he’s also been antagonistic to Rovers on any occasion he can to win favour with his fan base including the Matt Taylor saga which given the fact we got the exact release fee (which was supposed to be confidential) is akin to terrorism in football terms.

He’s also putting posters on the Glocs road, getting his sponsors to ridicule us through postal campaigns and trying very hard to get a club who for much of his life was a giant firm of bedminster hooligans who regularly smashed up our ground and attacked and threatened our players pegged as some “family club”. They have some normal fans of course but also a giant contingent on cocaine and cider addled specimens which dwarf, and have always dwarfed, ours, even pro rata.

You think he couldn’t see all that victimisation and violence in the 80s and 90s? Was he blind? Of course he wasn’t my. That’s fine, he can still bankroll the club but to do so, and still pander to those guys and continually harrass and target us knowing full well the asymmetric history between us, is beneath contempt.

It wasn’t 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. It was grown men targeting families and players in their own homes.

If he had adopted the attitude of “City is my club,
Good luck to Rovers but I hope we are always above them” then I would have all the time in the world for him.

He didn’t, he, like a playground bully, has been sadistic and provocative in swinging his weight around, to a club he knows can’t really fight back.

And the reason for this? The heinous crime which caused this ire?

We used to beat them a lot, before. When we were in dire straights and on paper we shouldn’t have.

That’s it. That’s what all this is about.

https://gaschat.co.uk/thread/18097/bristol-owner-steve-lansdown-writes?page=2

 

That statement sums up their whole supporter base in one. Deluded, irrational, ignorant, gullible, pathological lying victims. They'll read that and believe every word of a made up series of possible scenarios.

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The irony is completely lost on them as that reply indicates in graphic detail for all to see. The reason that we are able to ridicule them is because they're exactly that - ridiculous. And their only riposte is because, back in the day, they used to beat us. That's ALL they've got. We've developed massively, both on and off the pitch (disregarding the disaster of this season!), and they've just gone backwards at a rate of knots. A case in point - they managed to get relegated, bottom of L1, whilst we couldn't buy a win. Until they do something DECENT, they will continue to get ridiculed, and rightly so. In the remainder of my lifetime, they'll NEVER pass us.

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50 minutes ago, fgrsimon said:

Astonishing Lansdown meltdown / Playing the victims from user 'gulfofaden' on GasChat

Akin to terrorism mind!

Lansdown hasn’t just been a benefactor to city, which he is entitled to do, but he’s also been antagonistic to Rovers on any occasion he can to win favour with his fan base including the Matt Taylor saga which given the fact we got the exact release fee (which was supposed to be confidential) is akin to terrorism in football terms.

He’s also putting posters on the Glocs road, getting his sponsors to ridicule us through postal campaigns and trying very hard to get a club who for much of his life was a giant firm of bedminster hooligans who regularly smashed up our ground and attacked and threatened our players pegged as some “family club”. They have some normal fans of course but also a giant contingent on cocaine and cider addled specimens which dwarf, and have always dwarfed, ours, even pro rata.

You think he couldn’t see all that victimisation and violence in the 80s and 90s? Was he blind? Of course he wasn’t my. That’s fine, he can still bankroll the club but to do so, and still pander to those guys and continually harrass and target us knowing full well the asymmetric history between us, is beneath contempt.

It wasn’t 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. It was grown men targeting families and players in their own homes.

If he had adopted the attitude of “City is my club,
Good luck to Rovers but I hope we are always above them” then I would have all the time in the world for him.

He didn’t, he, like a playground bully, has been sadistic and provocative in swinging his weight around, to a club he knows can’t really fight back.

And the reason for this? The heinous crime which caused this ire?

We used to beat them a lot, before. When we were in dire straights and on paper we shouldn’t have.

That’s it. That’s what all this is about.

https://gaschat.co.uk/thread/18097/bristol-owner-steve-lansdown-writes?page=2

 

their a funny old lot them gasheads

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1 hour ago, fgrsimon said:

Astonishing Lansdown meltdown / Playing the victims from user 'gulfofaden' on GasChat

Akin to terrorism mind!

Lansdown hasn’t just been a benefactor to city, which he is entitled to do, but he’s also been antagonistic to Rovers on any occasion he can to win favour with his fan base including the Matt Taylor saga which given the fact we got the exact release fee (which was supposed to be confidential) is akin to terrorism in football terms.

He’s also putting posters on the Glocs road, getting his sponsors to ridicule us through postal campaigns and trying very hard to get a club who for much of his life was a giant firm of bedminster hooligans who regularly smashed up our ground and attacked and threatened our players pegged as some “family club”. They have some normal fans of course but also a giant contingent on cocaine and cider addled specimens which dwarf, and have always dwarfed, ours, even pro rata.

You think he couldn’t see all that victimisation and violence in the 80s and 90s? Was he blind? Of course he wasn’t my. That’s fine, he can still bankroll the club but to do so, and still pander to those guys and continually harrass and target us knowing full well the asymmetric history between us, is beneath contempt.

It wasn’t 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. It was grown men targeting families and players in their own homes.

If he had adopted the attitude of “City is my club,
Good luck to Rovers but I hope we are always above them” then I would have all the time in the world for him.

He didn’t, he, like a playground bully, has been sadistic and provocative in swinging his weight around, to a club he knows can’t really fight back.

And the reason for this? The heinous crime which caused this ire?

We used to beat them a lot, before. When we were in dire straights and on paper we shouldn’t have.

That’s it. That’s what all this is about.

https://gaschat.co.uk/thread/18097/bristol-owner-steve-lansdown-writes?page=2

 

Jeez...what an utter cocksucker.

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1 hour ago, fgrsimon said:

Astonishing Lansdown meltdown / Playing the victims from user 'gulfofaden' on GasChat

Akin to terrorism mind!

Lansdown hasn’t just been a benefactor to city, which he is entitled to do, but he’s also been antagonistic to Rovers on any occasion he can to win favour with his fan base including the Matt Taylor saga which given the fact we got the exact release fee (which was supposed to be confidential) is akin to terrorism in football terms.

He’s also putting posters on the Glocs road, getting his sponsors to ridicule us through postal campaigns and trying very hard to get a club who for much of his life was a giant firm of bedminster hooligans who regularly smashed up our ground and attacked and threatened our players pegged as some “family club”. They have some normal fans of course but also a giant contingent on cocaine and cider addled specimens which dwarf, and have always dwarfed, ours, even pro rata.

You think he couldn’t see all that victimisation and violence in the 80s and 90s? Was he blind? Of course he wasn’t my. That’s fine, he can still bankroll the club but to do so, and still pander to those guys and continually harrass and target us knowing full well the asymmetric history between us, is beneath contempt.

It wasn’t 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. It was grown men targeting families and players in their own homes.

If he had adopted the attitude of “City is my club,
Good luck to Rovers but I hope we are always above them” then I would have all the time in the world for him.

He didn’t, he, like a playground bully, has been sadistic and provocative in swinging his weight around, to a club he knows can’t really fight back.

And the reason for this? The heinous crime which caused this ire?

We used to beat them a lot, before. When we were in dire straights and on paper we shouldn’t have.

That’s it. That’s what all this is about.

https://gaschat.co.uk/thread/18097/bristol-owner-steve-lansdown-writes?page=2

 

Burnie Burns Conspiracy GIF by Rooster Teeth

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1 hour ago, fgrsimon said:

Astonishing Lansdown meltdown / Playing the victims from user 'gulfofaden' on GasChat

Akin to terrorism mind!

Lansdown hasn’t just been a benefactor to city, which he is entitled to do, but he’s also been antagonistic to Rovers on any occasion he can to win favour with his fan base including the Matt Taylor saga which given the fact we got the exact release fee (which was supposed to be confidential) is akin to terrorism in football terms.

He’s also putting posters on the Glocs road, getting his sponsors to ridicule us through postal campaigns and trying very hard to get a club who for much of his life was a giant firm of bedminster hooligans who regularly smashed up our ground and attacked and threatened our players pegged as some “family club”. They have some normal fans of course but also a giant contingent on cocaine and cider addled specimens which dwarf, and have always dwarfed, ours, even pro rata.

You think he couldn’t see all that victimisation and violence in the 80s and 90s? Was he blind? Of course he wasn’t my. That’s fine, he can still bankroll the club but to do so, and still pander to those guys and continually harrass and target us knowing full well the asymmetric history between us, is beneath contempt.

It wasn’t 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. It was grown men targeting families and players in their own homes.

If he had adopted the attitude of “City is my club,
Good luck to Rovers but I hope we are always above them” then I would have all the time in the world for him.

He didn’t, he, like a playground bully, has been sadistic and provocative in swinging his weight around, to a club he knows can’t really fight back.

And the reason for this? The heinous crime which caused this ire?

We used to beat them a lot, before. When we were in dire straights and on paper we shouldn’t have.

That’s it. That’s what all this is about.

https://gaschat.co.uk/thread/18097/bristol-owner-steve-lansdown-writes?page=2

 

The jealous bile spouted by this “fan” is tangible. I have never read so much nonsense, and carrying around that amount of hatred, delusion and negativity is not healthy.

This overly-wordy and dramatic piece of literature which includes evocative terms such as “terrorism, sadistic, and bully” smacks of a very bitter individual who feels he/she needs to justify their wasted degree in Sociology whilst hating the side of the fence fate left him/her on, and has put that together on many a dark night over probably a 10 year period, manically tweaking it until they could unleash this “masterpiece” on a Rovers forum.

Unfortunately he/she is pretty representative of Rovers fans of a certain generation and he/she will be one of the one first talking non-stop about City next year and looking for our result as their own side slips further into insignificance in front of 6000 pairs of eyes.

Astonishing indeed.

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For a little clarity, their golden years when they used to "beat us a lot" were so say in the 80's and 90's. So I spent a little time to assess that period. Between August 1980 and October 1999 the two clubs played each other 36 times. They won 14, drew 10 and we won 12. a slight advantage but, not quite the way they like to remember it.  Their real glory period was actually condensed into a four year period from January 1987 until January 1991, winning 6 and drawing 4, when no matter what we did they managed to get the better of us. So in reality, apart from that four year period of hell on earth, we won 12, drew 6 and lost 8 in the rest of those glorious two decades.

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21 minutes ago, Moments of Pleasure said:

There was one, about six years ago .... Les someone or other ....

Was he the rather distinguished gentleman in a white dinner jacket who got banned for discussing recipes for gravy?

Or were there more than one?

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